re: Syria

[tinydancer]

Oh and an FYI for those that might not know.

Qatar started al Jazeera. With a mission to propagandize and cover up their wheelings and dealings and manipulating who is in power in the ME.

This is why when Egyptians rose up against Morsi, they demanded al Jazeera leave the country.

Egypt Court Bans Al Jazeera Affiliate

And they have gotten their wish from the Egyptian High Court.

ETA: For those that don't have time to go to the link


Egypt Court Bans Al Jazeera Affiliate

AP | Posted: 09/03/2013 5:28 am EDT | Updated: 09/03/2013 7:36 am EDT

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CAIRO (AP) — An Egyptian court on Tuesday ordered Al-Jazeera's local affiliate to stop broadcasting along with three other stations known for their coverage of Islamist protests, saying that they had operated illegally, the state news agency said.

The decision by the administrative court was expected amid an escalating campaign by the government against the TV station and other media it considers sympathetic to ousted President Mohammed Morsi, who hails from the Muslim Brotherhood group. Al-Jazeera officials were not immediately available for comment.

Last week, three government ministries issued a statement calling the broadcasts of Al-Jazeera Mubasher Misr a "national threat" and accusing it of spreading rumors. They said that the station would soon be ordered closed.

The ministers also said the channel used satellite transmission without a license and spread "rumors and claims which are harmful to Egyptian national security and threaten the country's unity."

The station extensively covered Brotherhood protests following the July 3 military coup that ousted Morsi after millions took to the streets demanding he step down. In recent weeks, it began broadcasting recorded messages from Brotherhood members who are wanted by authorities and are hiding.

Egyptian officials and media say the station is biased toward the Brotherhood, a charge Al-Jazeera denies.

The three other stations include a channel affiliated with Hamas, the Islamist group ruling the Gaza Strip, and an Islamist network based in Jordan.

The third station, Ahrar 25, is affiliated with Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, and sprung up after authorities shut down their licensed Misr 25 television channel and four Islamic TV networks sympathetic to the deposed president on the day he was ousted.

Al-Jazeera's local offices were raided after Morsi was deposed, and 28 staffers were detained. They were later released.

Officials have earlier said that the Al-Jazeera affiliate continued to broadcast live from protests using via a stolen van owned by Egyptian state TV.

and more at link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/03/egypt-al-jazeera-banned_n_3858802.html

 

[tinydancer]

He didn't **** up Egypt.

There were giant clashes of civil disobedience going on there before he took office. They were destined for what happened. Same with Lybia.

Also - there could be a bigger picture they don't tell us all about, or do you contest that you have exactly the same facts / plans to look at as our intelligence community does?

Fact is, your basis for your pissing and moaning is all speculation. It's sad, it's a waste of ******* life.

The real moaning should be at the Government's precedent of top secrecy in the first place. Until then, arguing over their decisions when you don't have the faintest ******* clue of why or how theyre made makes you look like just another egotistical partisan zombie.

Obama pressured Mubarak to step down which created a void that the radical MB could step into.

Morsi was most definitely Obama's man. This is just fact. You really need to get up to speed instead of emoting all over the place without a clue.

You don't have one lick of a clue what you are talking about. You are just shooting partisan rhetoric out your ass.

The issue in Syria is over a gas pipeline. Qatar and Saudi Arabia have been funneling millions of untold millions of dollars to the "rebels".

Qatar needs this pipeline to get its natural gas to foreign markets. And human carnage be damned it will do anything to get that pipeline.

Kerry before the committee yesterday revealed that Arab states had offered hard cold cash for America to take out Assad.

This is about regime change. Whether or not America takes the bait and becomes a mercenary for its Middle East masters is what we are waiting on.

Qatar by the way oh ignorant one can grab the US by the balls and squeeze as hard as it wants because it houses the only US base in the ME.

So will Obama bow down? Let's wait and see. Qatar has to have Assad removed.

This has nothing to do with chemical weapons being used you idiot.

I'm not even going to engage you, because I think you're a bit deranged and it's not worth the time. Plus, you wont admit what you don't know, because of your ego............so what would be the purpose.

I can back up everything I post. Because I have facts and links. It has nothing to do with ego.

I research.

There you go emoting again.

You won't engage me because you have no facts. Or links to counter me in your own thread.

Just emotion.

 

[testarosa]

Our new friends.

A video report from May 15th shows the actions of the kinds of people who Senators Rubio, McCain and Graham are sending American taxpayer money to support. A Syrian rebel soldier cuts out the heart and liver of a soldier and appears to eat the heart chanting ”I swear to God we will eat your hearts out, you soldiers of Bashar. You dogs. God is greater!” the man says. “Heroes of Baba Amr … we will take out their hearts to eat them.”

EDIT!!!! VERY GRAPHIC!

*VIDEO* Syrian rebel cuts out soldiers heart and eats it

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZUraRor1o]Syrian rebel eats heart, threatens regime - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Wry Catcher]

Settle down, kids. You're arguing without all of the facts, which is like golfing with no driver. It's like singing at Woodstock with no microphone.

I've said the same about Iraq as I'll say about Syria, Lybia, etc.

Which is: you don't have all of the facts, you don't have the same information on your table as our top military advisors and so you're damn sure arguing from a position of ignorance, no matter which side you're arguing.

How many adults can actually admit this simple truth to themselves and let their ego subside? Not many.



Not many.

The fact that they are lying to us about the facts is the first thing that should be protested. When then get caught in a bald face lie such as " this is because we care about children" maybe our government could treat us like adults and move on to some real reasons.

Maybe if your actions reflected that of a mature adult 'they' might treat you differently. Example to prove the OP and my assessment of you and those of your kind: You allege lies; what lies and what evidence do you have which proves the alleged lies?

 

[MACAULAY]

Settle down, kids. You're arguing without all of the facts, which is like golfing with no driver. It's like singing at Woodstock with no microphone.

I've said the same about Iraq as I'll say about Syria, Lybia, etc.

Which is: you don't have all of the facts, you don't have the same information on your table as our top military advisors and so you're damn sure arguing from a position of ignorance, no matter which side you're arguing.

How many adults can actually admit this simple truth to themselves and let their ego subside? Not many.



Not many.

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I agree. Americans can reach informed opinions on domestic issues, like abortion or guns rights...but there is always an element of ignorance in foreign affairs.

So, we have to trust our leaders.

But, what if you believe you leaders are incompetent. What if you don't trust them.

Has the pompous ass Cary addressed why the first known use of chemical weapos merited only an arming of the Rebels (which assistance never arrived) and the second merits war with no allies joining in that war.

Why don't they just get on with arming the Rebels?

Is this war going to eliminate the chemical weapons or take down the criminal who used them?

The only thing I see is that Obama's ego has to be stroked and his red line has to be honored.

 

[Desperado]

We developed a big cabal of top secret intelligence that really guides these decisions, and for the citizens to get all red faced arguing with each other if a military action is right or wrong...........without having all of the facts............is literally arguing just because of a partisan o.c.d. to want to argue.

That big cabal of top secret intelligence has been wrong more than it has been right.

Here is a video of the rebels our government wants us to support and you think we should support these clowns?
That tells me more about our government than the rebels.

http://nyti.ms/17QH7pl

 

[tinydancer]

I'm not even going to engage you, because I think you're a bit deranged and it's not worth the time. Plus, you wont admit what you don't know, because of your ego............so what would be the purpose.

I can back up everything I post. Because I have facts and links. It has nothing to do with ego.

I research.

There you go emoting again.

You won't engage me because you have no facts. Or links to counter me in your own thread.

Just emotion.

No, you do not have all of the facts.

You have ego and the internet.

You do not have security clearance or classified intelligence. So, you're arguing short of all of the facts, necessarily.

That's for you to admit, it's not up for speculation.

Your blind willingness to follow so called "Intel" is appalling.

There is no proof on the table that Assad committed this attack. It was just two months ago that the United Nations Chemical Weapons experts stated that they believed the rebels not Assad were using sarin.

Turkey caught rebels entering Syria with Sarin.

Kerry gave no evidence. Only "intel says". Now if you want to be part of the herd of sheep that follow your government and never question, by all means be that sheep.


I'm waiting for the UN Inspection teams report.

 

[Surfer]

Muslimes are sh*t. Let them kill each other. Demonic maggots...

 

[Geaux4it]

So now the Chinese have sent ships

There is more traffic in the Med than the 405 on Friday afternoon

-Geaux

Standoff In The Mediterranean: The US vs Russian Navies | Zero Hedge

While the leaders of the two superpowers are shaking hands for the camera in St. Petersburg, their navies are sending a different message. Here is the latest breakdown of the world's key navies in the Mediterranean theater of naval operations as of last night. By now it is likely woefully outdated, now that there are reports the Chinese have joined the fray too (not on the side of the 'free droning world').

Russia ups the deck

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...nean-flotilla-as-u-s-weighs-syria-strike.html

Russia Boosts Mediterranean Force as U.S. Mulls Syria Strike
By Jake Rudnitsky & Henry Meyer - Sep 4, 2013 10:32 AM PT

Russia is sending three more ships to the eastern Mediterranean to bolster its fleet there as a U.S. Senate panel will consider President Barack Obama’s request for authority to conduct a military strike on Syria.
Russia is sending two destroyers, including the Nastoichivy, the flagship of the Baltic Fleet, and the Moskva missile cruiser to the region, Interfax reported today, citing an unidentified Navy official. That follows last week’s dispatch of a reconnaissance ship to the eastern Mediterranean, four days after the deployment of an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the area, which were reported by Interfax. Syria hosts Russia’s only military facility outside the former Soviet Union, at the port of Tartus.

Russia is sending a strong signal that the conflict surrounding Syria touches on its interests, to ensure that international law is upheld and there is no bypassing the UN Security Council,” Ivan Safranchuk, deputy director of the Foreign Ministry’s Institute of Contemporary International Studies in Moscow, said by phone.

 

[dilloduck]

No, you do not have all of the facts.

You have ego and the internet.

You do not have security clearance or classified intelligence. So, you're arguing short of all of the facts, necessarily.

That's for you to admit, it's not up for speculation.

Your blind willingness to follow so called "Intel" is appalling.

There is no proof on the table that Assad committed this attack. It was just two months ago that the United Nations Chemical Weapons experts stated that they believed the rebels not Assad were using sarin.

Turkey caught rebels entering Syria with Sarin.

Kerry gave no evidence. Only "intel says". Now if you want to be part of the herd of sheep that follow your government and never question, by all means be that sheep.


I'm waiting for the UN Inspection teams report.

I don't "follow" intel, blindly or not. I dont have the clearance. That's the point. I can admit it. You cant. Yours is the emotional driven ego, and the ocd to think "you know" and make your fun little internets arguments as your pastime.

You don't have intel clearance.

That is a fact.

Which means it's a fact that you're making an argument based on incomplete information.

That is a fact.

These are facts not necessary for links, research, etc.

They're self evident. And your ego is that you cannot admit such, while such is clearly a fact.

Ya want us to give you a ring when we think you might wanna wake up and do something ? We'll fill you in on all the data because we have been discussing various scenarios and screening various sources of information.

 

[testarosa]

Your blind willingness to follow so called "Intel" is appalling.

There is no proof on the table that Assad committed this attack. It was just two months ago that the United Nations Chemical Weapons experts stated that they believed the rebels not Assad were using sarin.

Turkey caught rebels entering Syria with Sarin.

Kerry gave no evidence. Only "intel says". Now if you want to be part of the herd of sheep that follow your government and never question, by all means be that sheep.


I'm waiting for the UN Inspection teams report.

I don't "follow" intel, blindly or not. I dont have the clearance. That's the point. I can admit it. You cant. Yours is the emotional driven ego, and the ocd to think "you know" and make your fun little internets arguments as your pastime.

You don't have intel clearance.

That is a fact.

Which means it's a fact that you're making an argument based on incomplete information.

That is a fact.

These are facts not necessary for links, research, etc.

They're self evident. And your ego is that you cannot admit such, while such is clearly a fact.

Ya want us to give you a ring when we think you might wanna wake up and do something ? We'll fill you in on all the data because we have been discussing various scenarios and screening various sources of information.

It's the Sheeple Disease again.

Nothing can be done. It's fatal.

 

[dilloduck]

I don't "follow" intel, blindly or not. I dont have the clearance. That's the point. I can admit it. You cant. Yours is the emotional driven ego, and the ocd to think "you know" and make your fun little internets arguments as your pastime.

You don't have intel clearance.

That is a fact.

Which means it's a fact that you're making an argument based on incomplete information.

That is a fact.

These are facts not necessary for links, research, etc.

They're self evident. And your ego is that you cannot admit such, while such is clearly a fact.

Ya want us to give you a ring when we think you might wanna wake up and do something ? We'll fill you in on all the data because we have been discussing various scenarios and screening various sources of information.

It's the Sheeple Disease again.

Nothing can be done. It's fatal.

we got serious ovine going on over here. He might totally miss our assault on Russia.

 

[sealybobo]

A pre-announced bombing will do nothing but kill more innocent people.

It is gratuitous and unnecessary.

I don't need to listen to a plastic faced liar like Kerry to know that.

So Trump better not bomb them or he will lose your support?

 

[miketx]

Settle down, kids. You're arguing without all of the facts, which is like golfing with no driver. It's like singing at Woodstock with no microphone.

I've said the same about Iraq as I'll say about Syria, Lybia, etc.

Which is: you don't have all of the facts, you don't have the same information on your table as our top military advisors and so you're damn sure arguing from a position of ignorance, no matter which side you're arguing.

How many adults can actually admit this simple truth to themselves and let their ego subside? Not many.



Not many.

Same way I feel. Let's just wait until Trump gives CNN all the military moves he's planning like Obama did. Then we'll know.

 

[sealybobo]

Settle down, kids. You're arguing without all of the facts, which is like golfing with no driver. It's like singing at Woodstock with no microphone.

I've said the same about Iraq as I'll say about Syria, Lybia, etc.

Which is: you don't have all of the facts, you don't have the same information on your table as our top military advisors and so you're damn sure arguing from a position of ignorance, no matter which side you're arguing.

How many adults can actually admit this simple truth to themselves and let their ego subside? Not many.



Not many.

Same way I feel. Let's just wait until Trump gives CNN all the military moves he's planning like Obama did. Then we'll know.

He did!!! He announced he was leaving Syria and that's when this shit happened. Putin and Iran don't want us out of Syria. This attack will keep us involved. They are playing Trump.

March 29th is the date Trump fucked up

Trump Claims We’re Leaving Syria ‘Very Soon.’ Hopefully, He Made That Up.

 

[sealybobo]

Trump said “By the way, we’re knocking the hell out of ISIS,” he said. “We’re coming out of Syria, like, very soon. Let the other people take care of it now. Very soon — very soon we’re coming out. We are going to have 100 percent of the caliphate, as they call it, sometimes referred to as land, taking it all back, quickly, quickly. But we are going to be coming out of there real soon.”

He followed up that bold promise by repeating his beloved claim that the U.S. had already spent $7 trillion prosecuting its various wars in the Middle East, which is not even close to accurate, and adding that “if we kept the oil, we wouldn’t have ISIS” — because surely plundering Iraq’s most valuable resources would have engendered no ill will toward the U.S. and kept radical Islam at bay.

In a speech full of whoppers like these, there’s a good chance Trump was blowing smoke when he said we’d be leaving Syria soon, especially as this was just one of many bizarre non sequiturs with which he peppered his characteristically unfocused speech. After all, Trump is well-known to play fast and loose with facts when he gets into rally mode.

Nonetheless, what we have here is a statement from the president asserting some vague timeline for the withdrawal of the 2,000 U.S. soldiers currently on the ground in Syria helping allied Syrian factions recapture territory from Islamic State militants, along with the civilian officials from the State Department working on stabilization efforts in these areas.

 

[tinydancer]

Settle down, kids. You're arguing without all of the facts, which is like golfing with no driver. It's like singing at Woodstock with no microphone.

I've said the same about Iraq as I'll say about Syria, Lybia, etc.

Which is: you don't have all of the facts, you don't have the same information on your table as our top military advisors and so you're damn sure arguing from a position of ignorance, no matter which side you're arguing.

How many adults can actually admit this simple truth to themselves and let their ego subside? Not many.



Not many.

Same way I feel. Let's just wait until Trump gives CNN all the military moves he's planning like Obama did. Then we'll know.

He did!!! He announced he was leaving Syria and that's when this shit happened. Putin and Iran don't want us out of Syria. This attack will keep us involved. They are playing Trump.

March 29th is the date Trump fucked up

Trump Claims We’re Leaving Syria ‘Very Soon.’ Hopefully, He Made That Up.

Are you nuts? Putin and Assad are demanding that the US get out.

 

[Skull Pilot]

A pre-announced bombing will do nothing but kill more innocent people.

It is gratuitous and unnecessary.

I don't need to listen to a plastic faced liar like Kerry to know that.

So Trump better not bomb them or he will lose your support?

OK Dory I'll tell you again

I didn't vote for Trump