re: Syria

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It is funny when you think about the ways to get the two parties involved.

With Democrats, make it humanitarian. Because they care about other people.

With Republicans, make it about making money. Either wave a little oil or "no-bid" contracts in front of their greedy faces.

Funny how there didn't seem to be all this "concern" about the Christians in Iraq. I don't get that at all.

There is nothing humanitarian about the proposed strikes whatsoever.

Only in your fucked up little liberal world can you actually believe that it's a "good thing" to bomb innocent civilians to punish Assad for alledgedly killing innocent civilians.
 
It is funny when you think about the ways to get the two parties involved.

With Democrats, make it humanitarian. Because they care about other people.

With Republicans, make it about making money. Either wave a little oil or "no-bid" contracts in front of their greedy faces.

Funny how there didn't seem to be all this "concern" about the Christians in Iraq. I don't get that at all.

There is nothing humanitarian about the proposed strikes whatsoever.

Only in your fucked up little liberal world can you actually believe that it's a "good thing" to bomb innocent civilians to punish Assad for alledgedly killing innocent civilians.

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Settle down, kids. You're arguing without all of the facts, which is like golfing with no driver. It's like singing at Woodstock with no microphone.

I've said the same about Iraq as I'll say about Syria, Lybia, etc.

Which is: you don't have all of the facts, you don't have the same information on your table as our top military advisors and so you're damn sure arguing from a position of ignorance, no matter which side you're arguing.

How many adults can actually admit this simple truth to themselves and let their ego subside? Not many.



Not many.

Bullshit. I have all the facts I need.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NsXFnzJGw]General Wesley Clark tells of how Middle East destabilization was planned as far back as 1991 - YouTube[/ame]

Hacked Documents Appear to Link U.S. Intelligence Agencies to Chemical Attack in Syria
http://www.classwarfareexists.com/hacked-documents-appear-to-link-u-s-intelligence-agencies-to-chemical-attack-in-syria/

The evidence from the Obama administration
It is very important to remember that up until this point – we have not seen any independent verification of the chemical attacks. We have seen horrible, gruesome and heart-wrenching videos showing lifeless children but there has been no independent verification of these attacks nor any credible evidence to prove that the Assad government was responsible for these attacks. It is very hard to discern truth from fiction when it comes to intelligence PSYOP campaigns. It is important to note that this is the THIRD accusation that Assad has used chemical weapons despite actually being in the strongest position currently; the first two were proved to be false. So far – the evidence presented by the Obama administration is “trust us”. Up until the UK government voted not to attack Syria – the Obama administration seemed intent to attack Syria as quickly as possible before any potential UN report could be presented.

And remember – the American government is currently supporting – indirectly or directly – the Al Qaeda rebels who literally rip out the heart of Syrian soldiers and eat them. You can see that graphic video HERE. That’s OUR side.

The evidence against the Obama administration’s claims
There were some actual journalists on the ground however to talk to witnesses and get first hand accounts of what actually happened. Dale Gavlak is a veteran journalist who has written for the Associated Press for a long time; he assisted with a story that eyewitness accounts actually claimed the Saudis supplied the “rebel forces” with chemical weapons and they mishandled them. Mintpress News had that exclusive story HERE:

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

As I wrote earlier – this is the third claim that the Assad government used chemical weapons; however – we already know the first two claims were lies. The first attempt happened in January of 2013 and leaked documents showed an attempt to frame Assad for using chemical weapons. Yahoo News writes HERE:

The Obama administration gave green signal to a chemical weapons attack plan in Syria that could be blamed on President Bashar al Assad’s regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country, leaked documents have shown.

A new report, that contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence, showed a scheme ‘approved by Washington’.

As per the scheme ‘Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons,’ the Daily Mail reports.

Updated: In fact – when the 2nd chemical weapons attack occurred – the U.S. government said that the Assad government used sarin gas on the Syrian people with ”varying degrees of confidence”. In fact – UN human rights investigators found that it was the rebels and not the Assad government that used chemical weapons. Reuters has that story HERE:

The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

“Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

“This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities,” she added, speaking in Italian.

Background Context
We have to acknowledge that the United States is an imperialist country. That’s what we do. Being imperialist is as American as apple pie and most Americans don’t really seem to comprehend that truth. An objective analysis of American history since the 19th century has demonstrated time after time that the American government wields its vast military and intelligence resources on behalf of the interest of wealthy donors and corporate interests. This was true when we instituted a coup of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran in 1953 on behalf of oil interests (source) and it was true in the 1954 coup of the democratically elected President of Guatemala on behalf of the United Fruit Company (source). This was true when the Obama administration pressured the government of Haiti not to raise their minimum wage to $.61 an hour on behalf of corporate interests here in the U.S. (source). Just like apple pie.

As a local Israeli newspaper wrote recently – Israel gave EXCLUSIVE rights to an American-Israeli corporation to drill for oil in the Golan Heights (source). The problem with that is the Golan Heights is occupied Syrian territory that Israel does not have legal claim to; they won this land in the 1967 war and according to international law may not annex it.

There are a few interesting footnotes about this American-Israeli corporation named Genie Energy.

#1 – Former Vice President Dick Cheney is a paid adviser to this project (source).

#2 - News Corp. CEO Rupert Murdoch and former Exxon Mobil executive Gene Renna have joined its strategic advisory board (source).

#3 - Jacob Rothschild is involved in the deal and on the board. This guy is as connected to the world stage as any non-President.

Another interesting footnote – the American supported Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on Iran for four years and the American government did nothing. The Atlantic wrote about that HERE:
- See more at: Hacked Documents Appear to Link U.S. Intelligence Agencies to Chemical Attack in Syria ? I Acknowledge Class Warfare Exists
 
bumping for the reading impaired assholes.

Hands off’: Syrians form human shields outside possible US strike targets

As the US Congress inches closer to a decision on a military strike on Syria, citing allegations that Assad forces used chemical weapons against the civilian population, activists in Damascus are stepping up their protest against possible attacks.

“We are here to express our loyalty to our country in the face of American threats. We don’t want what they did in Iraq over chemical weapons claims to be done in our country,” one of the rally participants told RT.
 
Which you don't necessarily know, either.


I'm pretty sure we're there because this admin has screwed something up in the not too distant past. However, we shouldn't be there arming and fighting and giving assistance to a group of rebels who are just as savage as assads group.

All speculation, because our Government lies of its real intent and also lies of what it's really doing.

It could be completely competent, what they're doing, based on their intelligence.

You or I don't know that.

All that has been offered so far is "Intelligence says".

No proof. No evidence. Obama wants regime change. Nice and simple.

You know isn't it enough that he fucked up Egypt when he handed the country over to the MB on a silver platter?

Libya has completely fallen apart and is a lawless land run by militias.

Now he wants to take out Assad and the AQ over there called al Nusra is ready to fill the void.

He's negotiating with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

There's a pattern here. Only a willfully blind person couldn't see it.
 
No, that does not follow any sort of logic whatsoever.

If innocent bystanders were able to be "replaced," and knew they were about to be innocent bystanders, then they wouldn't be being killed in the first place. They'd stand up, run 100 yards.

The ****?

N/m dude.

Carry on.

You'll do anything to rationalize the "humanitarian" killing of innocent people as long as it's a US cruise missile that does it.

Sorry but we will be killing innocent people with no reasonable expectation that it will end chemical weapons use in Syria or anywhere else for that matter.

It's unacceptable and it is in no way humanitarian.

That you won't willingly be an innocent person killed in place of one you so blithely accept being killed is proof that you are no humanitarian.

No, your logic is just that of a retard.

First off, you asked a general question of bombing being humanitarian. You said nothing about Syria.

The thread (your thread) is about Syria is it not ?

Secondly, one does not "volunteer" to be "killed on accident," which is what collateral deaths are. That makes no ******* sense whatsoever.

It won't be on accident. We are announcing when we will bomb so there is a reasonable chance you could volunteer to be collateral damage in lieu of another.


Now, would I risk my life for innocent children, i.e. my original point? Yes.

But you're not are you? You are in favor of killing innocent people via a bombing campaign so as to protect other innocent people from possibly being killed in the near or distant future.

That does not sound humanitarian to me.

But stepping in front of a bomb neither does that, is logical, or even has merit in the discussion of "can bombing be humanitarian."

Sorry that your brain doesn't function properly.

But allowing other innocent people to be killed by a bomb does?

Now you tell me who is being inconsistent in their thought processes.
 
Which you don't necessarily know, either.


I'm pretty sure we're there because this admin has screwed something up in the not too distant past. However, we shouldn't be there arming and fighting and giving assistance to a group of rebels who are just as savage as assads group.

All speculation, because our Government lies of its real intent and also lies of what it's really doing.

It could be completely competent, what they're doing, based on their intelligence.

You or I don't know that.

I'm basing it on the lies of this and the previous admin. That's a strong track record. Legitimate?! Are you that naive?
 
All speculation, because our Government lies of its real intent and also lies of what it's really doing.

It could be completely competent, what they're doing, based on their intelligence.

You or I don't know that.

All that has been offered so far is "Intelligence says".

No proof. No evidence. Obama wants regime change. Nice and simple.

You know isn't it enough that he fucked up Egypt when he handed the country over to the MB on a silver platter?

Libya has completely fallen apart and is a lawless land run by militias.

Now he wants to take out Assad and the AQ over there called al Nusra is ready to fill the void.

He's negotiating with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

There's a pattern here. Only a willfully blind person couldn't see it.

He didn't **** up Egypt.

There were giant clashes of civil disobedience going on there before he took office. They were destined for what happened. Same with Lybia.

Also - there could be a bigger picture they don't tell us all about, or do you contest that you have exactly the same facts / plans to look at as our intelligence community does?

Fact is, your basis for your pissing and moaning is all speculation. It's sad, it's a waste of ******* life.

The real moaning should be at the Government's precedent of top secrecy in the first place. Until then, arguing over their decisions when you don't have the faintest ******* clue of why or how theyre made makes you look like just another egotistical partisan zombie.

So it's better to blindly trust the government that has lied to us countless times before?

What a good little sheep you are.
 
bumping for the reading impaired assholes.

Hands off’: Syrians form human shields outside possible US strike targets

As the US Congress inches closer to a decision on a military strike on Syria, citing allegations that Assad forces used chemical weapons against the civilian population, activists in Damascus are stepping up their protest against possible attacks.

“We are here to express our loyalty to our country in the face of American threats. We don’t want what they did in Iraq over chemical weapons claims to be done in our country,” one of the rally participants told RT.

Too many people actually believe this is an "Arab Spring" uprising that Assad is trying to put down.

I wish they would wake up.

When Qatar and Saudi Arabia are paying the protesters............err terrorists to depose Assad it's not an "uprising".

If I was in Damascus I'd be rioting against the US helping AQ.

Despite the fact that I would look good in a burqa (black is my fave:eusa_angel:) and one would never have to worry about a bad hair day; I'd be royally pissed off that an American President would think that it was a swell idea to let al Qaeda have my country.
 
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We are bombing Syria are we not?

You said bombing is humanitarian if it might save innocent lives even if it kills innocent people did you not?

Hence inferring that you believe bombing Syria to be humanitarian is no leap of logic.

You however are fine with Innocent people being killed as long as one of those innocent people is not you.
 
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He didn't **** up Egypt.

There were giant clashes of civil disobedience going on there before he took office. They were destined for what happened. Same with Lybia.

Also - there could be a bigger picture they don't tell us all about, or do you contest that you have exactly the same facts / plans to look at as our intelligence community does?

Fact is, your basis for your pissing and moaning is all speculation. It's sad, it's a waste of ******* life.

The real moaning should be at the Government's precedent of top secrecy in the first place. Until then, arguing over their decisions when you don't have the faintest ******* clue of why or how theyre made makes you look like just another egotistical partisan zombie.

So it's better to blindly trust the government that has lied to us countless times before?

What a good little sheep you are.

Quote where I said that you should trust the Government, or continue to argue with imaginary thoughts.

OK fluffy.
 
All speculation, because our Government lies of its real intent and also lies of what it's really doing.

It could be completely competent, what they're doing, based on their intelligence.

You or I don't know that.

All that has been offered so far is "Intelligence says".

No proof. No evidence. Obama wants regime change. Nice and simple.

You know isn't it enough that he fucked up Egypt when he handed the country over to the MB on a silver platter?

Libya has completely fallen apart and is a lawless land run by militias.

Now he wants to take out Assad and the AQ over there called al Nusra is ready to fill the void.

He's negotiating with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

There's a pattern here. Only a willfully blind person couldn't see it.

He didn't **** up Egypt.

There were giant clashes of civil disobedience going on there before he took office. They were destined for what happened. Same with Lybia.

Also - there could be a bigger picture they don't tell us all about, or do you contest that you have exactly the same facts / plans to look at as our intelligence community does?

Fact is, your basis for your pissing and moaning is all speculation. It's sad, it's a waste of ******* life.

The real moaning should be at the Government's precedent of top secrecy in the first place. Until then, arguing over their decisions when you don't have the faintest ******* clue of why or how theyre made makes you look like just another egotistical partisan zombie.

Obama pressured Mubarak to step down which created a void that the radical MB could step into.

Morsi was most definitely Obama's man. This is just fact. You really need to get up to speed instead of emoting all over the place without a clue.

You don't have one lick of a clue what you are talking about. You are just shooting partisan rhetoric out your ass.

The issue in Syria is over a gas pipeline. Qatar and Saudi Arabia have been funneling millions of untold millions of dollars to the "rebels".

Qatar needs this pipeline to get its natural gas to foreign markets. And human carnage be damned it will do anything to get that pipeline.

Kerry before the committee yesterday revealed that Arab states had offered hard cold cash for America to take out Assad.

This is about regime change. Whether or not America takes the bait and becomes a mercenary for its Middle East masters is what we are waiting on.

Qatar by the way oh ignorant one can grab the US by the balls and squeeze as hard as it wants because it houses the only US base in the ME.

So will Obama bow down? Let's wait and see. Qatar has to have Assad removed.

This has nothing to do with chemical weapons being used you idiot.
 

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