Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus

[Lisa558]

No, it does not
Just remember, in case you forgot, Jesus was/is a Jew.
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Of course I remember that. I also know that the NT says Jews are the children of Satan.

 

[beautress]

And they got exactly what they wanted ... a "saviour" that lets them do anything they want, eat anything they want, live anyway they want, as long as they say the words at the last moment they will be saved.

Mr. fncceo, Christ said, "Ask and ye shall receive." Actually, if we should err, the panacea Christ taught was "Go, and sin no more." That's a far cry from what you are thinking, my dear sir. His requirement is to do no one harm or any wrong. Should we make a mistake, it's time to pray, and when we realize the cause of the error, it is time to clean our own temple and do a better job at trying to engage in the Kingdom of God, not what unbelievers demand, which could be a snare. God is wonderfully patient, and when we ask him to help us, he does. We know this because our fellow Christians in our churches conduct classes so that we can stay in tune with what the Bible clearly tells us to do. It's all in the Good Book. It's a good idea for us to be familiar with the book called "Proverbs." It's also beneficial to review Christ's Sermon on the Mount which is found in the Book of Matthew, I think it's in or close to the 5th chapter in the book of Matthew. Belief in the Word is very important. And it simply follows Christ's footsteps which is not hard to understand if you put what God requires of us, which is found in the book of Micah, in which we are instructed to help widows and orphans, and support and care for those who are poor. If we do wrong, we have sinned against God. When it dawns on us we erred, we are required to make amends, and most Christian who love God's words and abide by them, keeping in mind that God well knows the difference between loving to please him in all that we do and he is pleased when we show love to others. Christ set the focus on teaching us to forgive other people as he did at the cross where he blessed and forgave the people who were killing and taunting him at the same time. He therefore became our sacrificial lamb, and we need to show love even to those who taunt and hurt us even until death. I love the book of Micah, which explains a lot of God's requirements. All these are reiterated in Christ's sermons, carefully included in the New Testament section of the Holy Bible. When we are living in the Kingdom, we want to do everything we can to make things we encounter right. Humans make mistakes. Christians strive to correct mistakes when someone calls attention to it in all sincerity.

Oh, yes, and I forgot to say that St. Paul (the one confronted by our risen Lord Jesus) pointed out in the book of Romans what you're thinking--he said, "What??? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid!!!" Yep, that's what he said on the matter of thinking wrongfully we are completely free to sin. That has never been throughout the years since Jesus arose from the grave and promised us the Holy Spirit would comfort and help us until we meet him in Heaven. You are a Christian when you KNOW that Jesus loves us and brings us comfort through the Holy Spirit of God. And no, we don't keep doing wrong so that grace may abound. That's not how the system works. We are challenged to stay abreast of what the Good book is trying to tell us. I'm sorry that something or someone misled you about getting away with murder, which would diminish us for not paying attention to Moses' 10 Commandments. The failure for our time is ignoring the commandments that teach us so well what behaviors are likeliest to separate us from God and his Kingdom of Peace on Earth and in Heaven. Love, beautress

 

[theHawk]

BARABBAS was a murderer---he is described as a
"ROBBER" ---newsflash----people were NOT crucified for "robbery"-----they were CRUCIFIED for

Liar.

Luke 23:19
Barabbas had been thrown into prison for an insurrection in the city, and for murder.

 

[BackAgain]

The thread headline is false.

Nobody “forced” the Roman Empire to do shit.

 

[irosie91]

Liar.

Luke 23:19
Barabbas had been thrown into prison for an insurrection in the city, and for murder.

LOL @ Luke----he did not even know the language
of the city and actually never met Jesus

 

[irosie91]

No, it does not
Just remember, in case you forgot, Jesus was/is a Jew.
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no doubt Jesus was a jew and he did not forget
it----that's why the Romans crucified him

 

[BreezeWood]

no doubt Jesus was a jew and he did not forget
it----that's why the Romans crucified him

of course, jesus lived and died for the wonderful jewish brethren and their religion ...

All the prople answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”

and in return the jews offered only their most sacred, overwhelming generosity and to barabbas they scowled blasphemy, showing no mercy whatsoever. the murderer.

 

[theHawk]

LOL @ Luke----he did not even know the language
of the city and actually never met Jesus

LOL so you just pick and choose which gospels are correct and which ones aren‘t, because you are smarter than anyone else.

And how about Mark, who also described Barabbas as an insurrectionist who had committed murder.

Romans most certainly did crucify murderers. Your statements are beyond stupid.

 

[surada]

What about behavior?! Doing mitzvot one’s whole life? Giving to tzedakah? Being as compassionate as possible as one kills one’s food? Not bearing false witness? Or murdering people? Or f’ing other people when you’re married?

You get to be a thoughtless, immoral person, and you go to heaven by “believing” some other person takes on your sins? How convenient for Hitler….for Stalin….for Osama bin Laden….for Genghis Khan….for Himmler….for Mussolini…..for Idi Amin…..etc, etc.

The idea that the most evil people imaginable could go to Heaven simoly by believing in Jesus, and thus having him “take on” their sins like the Picture of Dorian Gray or something is impossible to wrap my mind around.

Pretty old concept. Have you read about Azazel?

Azazel | Definition & Facts

Azazel, in Jewish legends, a demon or evil spirit to whom, in the ancient rite of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), a scapegoat was sent bearing the sins of the Jewish people. Azazel was the personification of uncleanness and in later rabbinic writings was sometimes described as a fallen angel.

www.britannica.com

 

[irosie91]

LOL so you just pick and choose which gospels are correct and which ones aren‘t, because you are smarter than anyone else.

And how about Mark, who also described Barabbas as an insurrectionist who had committed murder.

Romans most certainly did crucify murderers. Your statements are beyond stupid.

Of course the Romans crucified jews who killed
Romans or just attacked Roman rule----which is
why Jesus and Barabbas were up for Crucifixion.
What they did not do is go after jews who
killed jews-----did they act against Judas and
Caiaphas?------those guys are, according to the
writings you call "scriptures" the killers of
JESUS (uhm----da jooooo). Something your
jelly-bean lady forgot to tell you-----PONTIUS
PILATE----murderer by crucifixion of THOUSANDs
was NOT A JOOOOO----better luck next time.
How about HEROD who murdered John the Baptist?

 

[irosie91]

Pretty old concept. Have you read about Azazel?

Azazel | Definition & Facts

Azazel, in Jewish legends, a demon or evil spirit to whom, in the ancient rite of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), a scapegoat was sent bearing the sins of the Jewish people. Azazel was the personification of uncleanness and in later rabbinic writings was sometimes described as a fallen angel.

www.britannica.com

oh gee-----another "lesson" in history passed around like a basket of jellybeans

 

[luiza]

The man was a clown .
Should have beaten them with ," Make Palestine Great Again " and" Rabbis Go Tax Free "

No wonder they nailed him .

 

[surada]

oh gee-----another "lesson" in history passed around like a basket of jellybeans

Why do you think it's jellybeans?

Is Azazel a Goat, Place, Demon, or Deity? - TheTorah.com

Azazel plays the role of a deity in the biblical ritual of Yom Kippur, and in early interpretation, he played a central role as the initiator of sin and even the devil, or alternatively, as a protective figure. Later tradition obscured his identity, presenting Azazel as the name of a demon, as...

www.thetorah.com

 

[surada]

Herod is an interesting character but not really Jewish.

Herod the Great - Bible Odyssey

Herod the Great was the king of Judea who was responsible for large-scale building projects, including remodeling the Jerusalem temple.

www.bibleodyssey.org

 

[Lisa558]

Pretty old concept. Have you read about Azazel?

Azazel | Definition & Facts

Azazel, in Jewish legends, a demon or evil spirit to whom, in the ancient rite of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), a scapegoat was sent bearing the sins of the Jewish people. Azazel was the personification of uncleanness and in later rabbinic writings was sometimes described as a fallen angel.

www.britannica.com

Yeah, I know about that one incident. The difference is that Jews don’t feel they can commit sins and have someone else “take them on”.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

My confession

My mother gave me a King James Bible when I was a child. Seventy-one (71) years later I still have it. My bible has numerous marker tags highlighting what I found interesting and worth reminding me of for future review.

I began by reading the New Testament which is full of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus taught us how to be kind to others, as in the stranger but most of all Jesus used the Book of Ezekiel one of the major prophetic books in the Old Testament. It records six visions of the prophet Ezekiel, exiled in Babylon, during the 22 years from 593 to 571 BC.

The visions, and the book, are structured around three themes: (1) Judgment on Israel (chapters 1–24); (2) Judgment on the nations (chapters 25–32); and (3) Future blessings for Israel (chapters 33–48). Its themes include the concepts of the presence of God, purity, Israel as a divine community, and individual responsibility to God.
Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia

During this period Jerusalem was under the rule of the Romans which the local community strongly rejected.

More famous Jewish teachers come from Galilee than anywhere else in the world. They were known for their great reverence for Scripture and the passionate desire to be faithful to it. This translated into vibrant religious communities, devoted to strong families, their country, whose synagogues echoed the debate and discussions about keeping the Torah. They resisted the pagan influences of Hellenism far more than did their Judean counterparts. When the great revolt against the pagan Romans and their collaborators (66-74 AD) finally occurred, it began among the Galileans.

That the World May Know | Rabbi and Talmidim

in Palestine there were a number of occasions when more restless elements in the population resisted Roman abuses and followed the tradition of “zealousness for the Law.”

under the Romans (ruled 37-4 B.C.E.). Herod surrounded himself with Greek scholars and undertook many building projects, including a magnificent and fortified palace. He rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem.

Before he died, Jesus of Nazareth was born.

Life for the Jews under the procurators was exceedingly difficult. This protrait is confirmed by the Jewish historian Josephus who chronicled a number of events that provoked the Jews under Pilate and other procurators, leading to riots, beatings, and executions.

The last procurators in particular were indifferent to Jewish religious sensibilities; and various patriotic groups, to whom nationalism was an integral part of their religion, succeeded in polarizing the Jewish population and bringing on the first war with Rome in 66. The climax of the war, as noted earlier, was the destruction of the Temple in 70, though, according to Josephus, Titus sought to spare it.

Bar Kokhba Revolt, also called Second Jewish Revolt, (132–135 CE), Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The revolt was preceded by years of clashes between Jews and Romans in the area.
Bar Kokhba Revolt | History & Facts | Britannica

The history of the Jews in the Roman Empire

Rebellion in Judaea
Although Judaea was ruled by the Romans, the governors there had practiced the same kind of religious tolerance as was shown to Jews in Rome. However, Roman tactlessness and inefficiency, along with famine and internal squabbles, led to a rise in Jewish discontent.

In 66 AD, this discontent exploded into open rebellion. Four years later, the Roman army had crushed the revolt, but had also destroyed the temple. The sacred treasures were seized and shown off in a procession through the streets of Rome.
The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS

The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, defined as the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (where Israel and Palestine are today). Strategically situated between three continents, Palestine has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Persia, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Roman Empire, several Muslim dynasties, and the Crusaders. In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire.

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. The Canaanites established independent city-states that were influenced by the surrounding civilizations, among them Egypt, which ruled the area in the Late Bronze Age. The Assyrians conquered Palestine in the 8th century BCE, then the Babylonians in c. 601 BCE, followed by the Persians who conquered the Babylonian Empire in 539 BCE. Alexander the Great conquered Palestine in the late 330s BCE, beginning a long period of Hellenization. In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.

In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia

The crucifixion of Jesus occurred in 1st-century Judea, most likely in either AD 30 or AD 33. Jesus' crucifixion is described in the four canonical gospels, referred to in the New Testament epistles, attested to by other ancient sources, and is established as a historical event confirmed by non-Christian sources.According to the canonical gospels, Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged.

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Sanhedrin Court
Jesus was stripped of his clothing and offered vinegar mixed with myrrh or gall to drink after saying "I am thirsty". He was then hung between two convicted thieves and, according to the Gospel of Mark, died by the 9th hour of the day (at around 3:00 p.m.). During this time, the soldiers affixed a sign to the top of the cross stating "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" which, according to the Gospel of John (John 19:20), was written in three languages (Hebrew, Latin, and Greek). They then divided his garments among themselves and cast lots for his seamless robe, according to the Gospel of John. According to the Gospel of John, after Jesus' death, one soldier (named in extra-Biblical tradition as Longinus) pierced his side with a spear to be certain that he had died, then blood and water gushed from the wound. The Bible describes seven statements that Jesus made while he was on the cross, as well as several supernatural events that occurred.

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Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia

In the canonical gospels, Pilate's court refers to the trial of Jesus in praetorium before Pontius Pilate, preceded by the Sanhedrin Trial. In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate finds that Jesus, being from Galilee, belonged to Herod Antipas' jurisdiction, and so he decides to send Jesus to Herod. After questioning Jesus and receiving very few replies, Herod sees Jesus as no threat and returns him to Pilate.
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In all four gospels, the Denial of Peter functions as an intermission during the Sanhedrin trial, while Matthew adds an intermission during the trial before Pilate that narrates the suicide of Judas Iscariot.

At the time Jerusalem was part of Roman Judea, the charges of the Sanhedrin against Jesus held no power before Pilate. He was therefore not a political threat and could be seen as innocent of such a charge. [Jn. 18:36]

Stepping back outside, Pilate publicly declared that he found no basis to charge Jesus,
Pilate's court - Wikipedia

Early in the morning the chief priests (Rabbis)and elders planned to have Jesus executed.

Thirty pieces of silver was the price for which Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, according to an account in the Gospel of Matthew 26:15 in the New Testament. Before the Last Supper, Judas is said to have gone to the chief priests and agreed to hand over Jesus in exchange for 30 silver coins, and to have attempted to return the money afterwards, filled with remorse.

Pilate explained the amnesty vote and asked: 'Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?'

Chief priests (Rabbis) and officials shouted: 'Crucify! Crucify!' Pilate: 'Go ahead and crucify him. [Pilate says] I myself find no guilt in him.' Jewish leaders: 'Our law says he must die because he claimed to be the Son of God.'

Pilate, interrogated Jesus inside. Pilate tried to set Jesus free.
Jewish leaders: (Rabbis) If you let him go, you disobey Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.'
Pilate brought out Jesus around noon, saying: 'Here is your king.' They [Jewish leaders] shouted: 'Take him away, crucify him!'
Pilate: 'Shall I crucify your king?' Chief priests: 'We have no king but Caesar.'

Pilate handed Jesus over to them for crucifixion.

Early in the morning Jesus was taken to Pilate by the Jewish leaders (Rabbis)

Pilate, inside: 'Are you the king of the Jews?' Jesus: 'My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would have fought to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.'

Pilate: 'You are a king, then!' Jesus: 'You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.' Pilate: 'What is truth?'

Pilate, outside: 'I find no guilt in him.'

by the Jewish leaders under Pilate

In the New Testament, the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus refers to the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin (a Jewish judicial body) following his arrest in Jerusalem and prior to the trial before Pontius Pilate. It is an incident reported by all three Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament, while John's Gospel refers to a preliminary inquiry before Annas. The gospel accounts vary on a number of details.

Jesus is generally quiet, does not mount a defense, and rarely responds to the accusations, and is found guilty of various offenses: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath), threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple, practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons, and claiming to be the Messiah. He is then taken to Pontius Pilate, the governor of Roman Judaea, to be tried for claiming to be the King of the Jews.
Sanhedrin trial of Jesus - Wikipedia

Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders (Rabbis) ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus, accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews. Such a claim would be considered treasonous, for being a direct challenge to the Roman authorities.

Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus
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I clicked on the ridiculous title, but I'm not interested in reading an OP BOOK

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Yeah, I know about that one incident. The difference is that Jews don’t feel they can commit sins and have someone else “take them on”.

And you'll get what you deserve

 

[surada]

Yeah, I know about that one incident. The difference is that Jews don’t feel they can commit sins and have someone else “take them on”.

One incident of blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin????

Blood sacrifice seems pretty complicated to me.

Sacrifices Are Alive And Well! | My Jewish Learning

Vayikra Sacrifices. Vayikra Commentary. Vayikra Text Study. Weekly Torah Commentary. Parshat Hashavua. Jewish Texts

www.myjewishlearning.com

 

[Lisa558]

One incident of blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin????

Blood sacrifice seems pretty complicated to me.

Sacrifices Are Alive And Well! | My Jewish Learning

Vayikra Sacrifices. Vayikra Commentary. Vayikra Text Study. Weekly Torah Commentary. Parshat Hashavua. Jewish Texts

www.myjewishlearning.com

Jews today must atone for their own sins rather than pass them off on someone else. What’s the point of digging up ancient Jewish rituals, other than to make the Jewish religion look bad?

The way Jews atone for their sins is to ask forgiveness of those they have sinned against (or of Gd if the sin was against Him), to feel remorse, to vow to never do it again, and to make it up somehow by doing a related act of tzedekah.

Much better than simply thinking someone else “takes away” your sins, and all you have to do is to believe it.

 

[surada]

Jews today must atone for their own sins rather than pass them off on someone else. What’s the point of digging up ancient Jewish rituals, other than to make the Jewish religion look bad?

The way Jews atone for their sins is to ask forgiveness of those they have sinned against (or of Gd if the sin was against him), to feel remorse, to vow to never do it again, and to make it up somehow by doing a related act of tzedekah.

Much better than simply thinking someone else “takes away” your sins, and all you have to do is to believe it.

Did you read the link I posted from a Jewish source?