Zone1 Question for the Catholics: is This True?

[The Irish Ram]

So fickle, you religious types...

SMH

Just the opposite:
Fickle
changing frequently, especially as regards one's loyalties, interests, or affection.

Have never changed my mind about Jesus Christ, ever. I am steadfast in my trust of the Lord...

 

[SweetSue92]

Try delving more deeply, or continue to ignore it. The names of the parents of these cousins are in the Bible.

Cite the verses that prove this. Not Catholic writings; from the Bible.

That's for starters.

Secondly: Mary was a human woman. Why in the world would God consign her to a marriage with no children save Jesus? She was a virgin when HE was born. Nowhere in Scripture is she commanded to remain a virgin forever.

Catholics just made that up.

 

[Meriweather]

Cite the verses that prove this. Not Catholic writings; from the Bible.

That's for starters.

Secondly: Mary was a human woman. Why in the world would God consign her to a marriage with no children save Jesus? She was a virgin when HE was born. Nowhere in Scripture is she commanded to remain a virgin forever.

Catholics just made that up.

People who are interested can do their own research. The information is in the Bible and most likely also on line by this point. If you want to do your own research, it will be necessary to dig into the etymology and genealogies.

Of course, showing the genealogies of the cousins does not give any clue as to the sex life of Mary and Joseph.

 

[SweetSue92]

People who are interested can do their own research. The information is in the Bible and most likely also on line by this point. If you want to do your own research, it will be necessary to dig into the etymology and genealogies.

Of course, showing the genealogies of the cousins does not give any clue as to the sex life of Mary and Joseph.

Matthew 13:55

"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary...."

It's literally RIGHT THERE. Any other interpretation is twisting to what end? To change the clear text of the Bible? Is that not the most dangerous road?

ETA: the same verse occurs in Mark 6

 

[SweetSue92]

People who are interested can do their own research. The information is in the Bible and most likely also on line by this point. If you want to do your own research, it will be necessary to dig into the etymology and genealogies.

Of course, showing the genealogies of the cousins does not give any clue as to the sex life of Mary and Joseph.

This Greek word here:

ἀδελφός

Is used in Matthew 13:55. It means only "brother", not cousin, and is not meant as like "my brother in Christ". It's meant in a familial way, as the verse mentions Joseph ("the carpenter's son") and Mary.

 

[Meriweather]

Matthew 13:55

"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary...."

It's literally RIGHT THERE. Any other interpretation is twisting to what end? To change the clear text of the Bible? Is that not the most dangerous road?

ETA: the same verse occurs in Mark 6

Again, try etymology. Look for the names of Jesus' aunts and uncles--and their children.

 

[Meriweather]

Is used in Matthew 13:55. It means only "brother", not cousin, and is not meant as like "my brother in Christ". It's meant in a familial way, as the verse mentions Joseph ("the carpenter's son") and Mary

Try the Hebrew/Aramaic etymology, and all who were known as brother or sister in Biblical times.

 

[SweetSue92]

Again, try etymology. Look for the names of Jesus' aunts and uncles--and their children.

Why would I need to do that? The Bible is CLEAR

 

[SweetSue92]

Try the Hebrew/Aramaic etymology, and all who were known as brother or sister in Biblical times.

His parents are specifically pointed out. This reminds me so much of debating Mormons--"hey the text SAYS this clearly, but if you wait for the burning in the bosom...."

 

[SweetSue92]

Try the Hebrew/Aramaic etymology, and all who were known as brother or sister in Biblical times.

In Greek there is a separate word for brother and cousin. Brother is used; cousin is not.

 

[Meriweather]

Why would I need to do that? The Bible is CLEAR

What language are you reading? English?

 

[onefour1]

Matthew 13:54-57
54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

BibleHubs interlinear translation for verse 55's brethren is ἀδελφοὶ (adelphoi) — 145 Occurrences here is the link: Greek Concordance: ἀδελφοὶ (adelphoi) -- 145 Occurrences


BibleHubs interlinear translation for verse 56's sisters is ἀδελφαὶ (adelphai) — 4 Occurrences here is the link:
Greek Concordance: ἀδελφαὶ (adelphai) -- 4 Occurrences

 

[Meriweather]

His parents are specifically pointed out. This reminds me so much of debating Mormons--"hey the text SAYS this clearly, but if you wait for the burning in the bosom...."

I am merely pointing out what everyone who has studied more than one language already knows: Much can be lost in the translation between one language and another.

 

[Meriweather]

In Greek there is a separate word for brother and cousin. Brother is used; cousin is not.

How can Greek use 'cousin' if there is no word for 'cousin' in Hebrew or Aramaic?

 

[onefour1]

Luke 1:36
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

BibleHubs interlinear translation for verse 36's cousin is συγγενίς (syngenis) — 1 Occurrence here is the link: Greek Concordance: συγγενίς (syngenis) -- 1 Occurrence

also translated as female relative

 

[Carl in Michigan]

People who are interested can do their own research

You're not as all knowing as you make yourself out to be. It is you who needs to open your mind and accept Truth when presented. Catholics seem to be under a spell. You seem happy in your ignorance

 

[Carl in Michigan]

and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.

 

[ding]

You're not as all knowing as you make yourself out to be. It is you who needs to open your mind and accept Truth when presented. Catholics seem to be under a spell. You seem happy in your ignorance

Setting aside the fact that she is heads and shoulders above you in translating the bible, it's ironic that your signature line is a quote from Saint Jerome a Catholic.

Often times ignorance is insolent. You prove this to be true with each post you write about Catholics. You are obsessed with Catholics. And not in a good way. See Proverbs 22:8. Repent before it is too late.

 

[Meriweather]

You're not as all knowing as you make yourself out to be. It is you who needs to open your mind and accept Truth when presented. Catholics seem to be under a spell. You seem happy in your ignorance

'All knowing' has nothing to do with the topic. It's a matter of research based on interest in different perspectives. How did Catholics come to believe one way and how did Protestants begin believing another way? The King James English provides clues for the Protestant perspective just as Hebrew/Aramaic provides clues for the Catholic perspective. Catholicism also has early Christian perspectives in which Protestants take no interest.

Carl, you take more interest in Mary than I. But then, as some here already know, I have mommy issues. An earlier post noted asking George Washington to pray for their father. I pray for those who have passed on, and have done so since I was nine years old. In all of that time, it never occurred to me to ask any (living or dead) to join me in those prayers. The same with calling on Mary, a mother--I don't ask mothers for help, and since I am a mother, I don't ask myself for help, either. However, I did ask my deceased grandmothers to join me in prayer--and with astounding results. I was ten when I began praying for souls in purgatory--also with some astounding results. Why didn't I ask George Washington to join me in this mission? It was because I felt strongly someone called me (with signs) to be a part of prayers for those in purgatory. I was joining that group, not forming a group.

You and others have said quite vehemently, "I don't do that! I don't pray for the dead, and I don't ask anyone from the Body of Christ who has passed on, to join me in prayers." I get it, as I have asked very few to join me in prayer. One's heart lifting up prayers to the Lord is such a powerful offering in and of itself.

The thought I offer is to stay out of the prayer life of others. So much prayer is guided by the Holy Spirit, and I believe it is a mistake to interfere in the work of the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit isn't calling upon you to join a person/people in prayer, then I heartily recommend staying out of the business of others. The Holy Spirit has other plans for you, and there is no need to distract yourself from that with what he is doing with others.

 

[SweetSue92]

I am merely pointing out what everyone who has studied more than one language already knows: Much can be lost in the translation between one language and another.

As my husband would say, "Seems like you're straining to do some explaining"