I find it unsettling that MAGA's and foremost ex. MAGA's lay Trump's failures and thus his failed foreign policy solely onto Israel.

[Kruska]

Trump made it very clear that he - just as any other US president, will not allow for Iran to ever obtain a nuclear weapon capability.
Therefore a joint and illegal strike by the USA and Israel onto Iran, already in 2025. IIRC no MAGA objected to that illegal strike.

The USA has it's own EXTENSIVE intel service branches - so there is no way that Israel could feed unchallenged fake information to the US President.
The US intelligence community absolutely challenged and distrusted the WMD bull that was forwarded to Bush.jun. It wasn't Israel that "convinced" him either, but his own political agenda towards Iraq and the Middle-East.

That Bibi supposedly lied to Trump via "convincing" him - that a decapitation strike onto Tehran would make Iran surrender to their demands within a week or two, simply isn't proven. Neither is the claim that Bibi bullshitted TACO into "Iran will achieve nuclear readiness in a week or two.

So what are Trump's real motives for attacking Venezuela and Iran, claiming Canada and Greenland, kicking Chinese port authorities out of Panama and his possible next targets??
Whereby the first executed job, nor his intentions towards Canada, Greenland and Panama has absolutely nothing to do with Bibi.

Bibi's intentions and policies towards the Middle-East are absolutely no secret - neither is that of Turkey, Saudi-Arabia or Iran.
So Trump decides that Iran will be his next target - that Bibi is having a hell of a party is understood. Due to the operation being absolutely ill planed - Trump the USA gets stuck in a huge mess and cripples additionally the global economy.

Every US president, latest since Nixon has unconditionally backed Israels policy towards Palestinians and it's neighbors. Blocked ever single UNSC resolution that would have caused Israel to change or halt it's policy. The genocidal actions by Israel in Gaza were not condemned by senile Biden nor Trump. No sanctions or embargos where demanded or called for until today by the USA.

And now - simply due to the USA getting stuck at Iran - it's all, suddenly Bibi's fault??

This all just sounds like a cheap exuse to me, for MAGA's and "ex MAGA's" to simply deny their active support towards Trump - which factually enabled Trump to take power, and thus restart his known "active" policy that laid bare for 4 years. Independent of ex MAGA's that in view of Trump's overall unchristian behavior might have led them to abandon TACO.

So what are the thoughts of other USMB members?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Not all of this can be blamed on Israel. They, their leader and intelligence agencies played a role though. The degree of significance varies depending on the person one speaks to.

 

[White 6]

OP will note: All references toe TACO and be Mod Edited to Trump or Trump's. Next time, thread will be summarily trash can, and you will be warned.

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[jacksonlamb]

Only those barely at subhuman levels rely on attacking Jews or Arabs or the French (maybe we can make an exception for the French). They can be ignored.

 

[MarathonMike]

Trump made it very clear that he - just as any other US president, will not allow for Iran to ever obtain a nuclear weapon capability.
Therefore a joint and illegal strike by the USA and Israel onto Iran, already in 2025. IIRC no MAGA objected to that illegal strike.

The USA has it's own EXTENSIVE intel service branches - so there is no way that Israel could feed unchallenged fake information to the US President.
The US intelligence community absolutely challenged and distrusted the WMD bull that was forwarded to Bush.jun. It wasn't Israel that "convinced" him either, but his own political agenda towards Iraq and the Middle-East.

That Bibi supposedly lied to Trump via "convincing" him - that a decapitation strike onto Tehran would make Iran surrender to their demands within a week or two, simply isn't proven. Neither is the claim that Bibi bullshitted TACO into "Iran will achieve nuclear readiness in a week or two.

So what are Trump's real motives for attacking Venezuela and Iran, claiming Canada and Greenland, kicking Chinese port authorities out of Panama and his possible next targets??
Whereby the first executed job, nor his intentions towards Canada, Greenland and Panama has absolutely nothing to do with Bibi.

Bibi's intentions and policies towards the Middle-East are absolutely no secret - neither is that of Turkey, Saudi-Arabia or Iran.
So Trump decides that Iran will be his next target - that Bibi is having a hell of a party is understood. Due to the operation being absolutely ill planed - Trump the USA gets stuck in a huge mess and cripples additionally the global economy.

Every US president, latest since Nixon has unconditionally backed Israels policy towards Palestinians and it's neighbors. Blocked ever single UNSC resolution that would have caused Israel to change or halt it's policy. The genocidal actions by Israel in Gaza were not condemned by senile Biden nor Trump. No sanctions or embargos where demanded or called for until today by the USA.

And now - simply due to the USA getting stuck at Iran - it's all, suddenly Bibi's fault??

This all just sounds like a cheap exuse to me, for MAGA's and "ex MAGA's" to simply deny their active support towards Trump - which factually enabled Trump to take power, and thus restart his known "active" policy that laid bare for 4 years. Independent of ex MAGA's that in view of Trump's overall unchristian behavior might have led them to abandon TACO.

So what are the thoughts of other USMB members?

It's always humorous to read a foreigner's post who thinks he understands Trump and the mythical boogeyman MAGA thinks.

 

[jacksonlamb]

It's always humorous to read a foreigner's post who thinks he understands Trump and the mythical boogeyman MAGA thinks.

Kruska understands far better than you, Mike.

 

[Kruska]

Not all of this can be blamed on Israel. They, their leader and intelligence agencies played a role though. The degree of significance varies depending on the person one speaks to.

So you are claiming that TACO doesn't listen to his own intel services? come on. Whiskey Pete might blabber him into it being a cake walk - but not the Joint chiefs of staff nor did even Vance support TACO's agenda towards Iran.

Bush jun., the CIA&NSA knew that the intelligence forwarded by "Germany" was bull - but it just fitted his agenda.