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We have one intercessor, sitting at the right hand of our Father.
Zone1 Question for the Catholics: is This True?
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Why wouldn't you want her to be one of them? Don't you usually seek out those that are the holiest you can find? Just as you might ask a friend or family member to pray for you during a difficult time, Catholics believe that saints can intercede on their behalf with God due to their closeness to Him. By doing so, we express their belief in the power of prayer and the understanding that saints can empathize with our struggles.
ninja007
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PRAYING TO MARY AND THE SAINTS
Anyone who has glanced at the newspaper has probably come across the advertisement by the Knights of Columbus in which they advertise “Prayer conversation with God, his angels and his Saints.”
The Pope prays to Mary and encourages all Catholics to do the same. In his Sunday mass in Denver in Aug.1993 John Paul II entrusted the youth and the entire world under Mary’s protection and guidance.
Can we pray to Mary or other saints as we do to God? Can some person who is at the other end of the universe hear our prayers? Isn't this something that is exclusively reserved to God? How can a saint hear hundreds or thousands of prayers at one time? No matter how great a saint they were, they are not omniscient nor can they answer our prayers (it is a known fact there are more prayers offered to Mary than to God by Catholics). This is seen by the statement by Bishop Liqouri “We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus. She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, pp. 254, 257).
The Roman Catholic apologia claims that both Mary and saints are now glorified and have greater abilities. Some Catholics claim that they don't pray to Mary, but rather only ask her to pray for them. All this is like asking them to pray for you as you would ask a friend. But a person would have to pray to Mary if they are asking her something because she is not physically here. However we do not entrust the world to one or ask protection and guidance from someone who in turn is going to ask God!
A excerpt of the conclusion of the Rosary prayed by millions is: “Hail, holy Queen [of heaven], Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears.” To Mary they pray. The most well-known portion of the Rosary and most recited Catholic prayer, repeated millions of times is Catholics praying to Mary and asking in prayer for her to “pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.”
If this is not praying to Mary then one is not praying to the Father either in the Rosary.
God says to ask Him-- not Mary. Only God can answer ones prayer. So it becomes useless to pray to a saint, any saint no matter how great they may be.
Despite the rejections of saying they are praying to Mary or saints the Catholic Church does encourage praying to Mary as these excerpts from the Catechism of the Catholic Church prove: “Beginning with Mans unique cooperation with the working of the Holy- Spirit, the Churches developed their prayer to the holy Mother of God” (Catechism 2675) They do this claiming they are centering it “on the person of Christ manifested in his mysteries.”
'This twofold movement of prayer to Mary has found a privileged expression in the Ave Maria” (Catechism 2676)
“Mary is the perfect Orans prayer, a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father” (Catechism 2679)
They can pray to her because their church says “Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son ... ”
“Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”
Can this be found in the Bible?
Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to the Virgin Mary urging all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. Using the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John-- “Woman, behold thy son!” and “Behold thy mother!” (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement “IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community” (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).
Even the Pope prays to Mary “Mary of the New Advent, we implore your protection on the preparations that will now begin for the next meeting [World Youth Day]. Mary, full of grace, we entrust the next World Youth Day to you. Mary, assumed into heaven, we entrust the young people of the world ... the whole world to YOU” (August 1993, Denver, Colorado, Pope John Paul II).
Pope Pius IX in 1854 “Let all the children of the Catholic Church ... Proceed to worship, invoke, and pray to the most blessed Virgin Mary, mother of God. ”
This is not like asking someone on earth to pray for you, since they are physically here to converse. What the Roman Catholic is doing is asking those who are not physically here and are unable to see or affect the affairs of mankind on earth to do what is attributed to God only.
When we look in the Bible we find that prayer is directed to God alone. To set up a person as a recipient for our prayers, no matter how great they are is making them out to be deity. Asking a saint to help and guide or protect is something only God can do. As someone once put it, why go to the branch office when you can go to the president. There is not one example of a Christian addressing prayers to Mary or saints, or those who are dead passing from our world. There is much to be said of those who practice Spiritism that use this method. Catholic defenders suggest that Mary is not part of “the dead”, since she's spiritually alive in Heaven. The passages in Deuteronomy 18 and Isaiah 8 are referring to the physically dead, not the spiritually dead. There are hundreds of prayers and passages about prayer in scripture, and none of them instruct prayers to the dead. The scriptures forbid attempting to contact the dead, yet the Catholic Church teaches people to do it.
Anyone who has glanced at the newspaper has probably come across the advertisement by the Knights of Columbus in which they advertise “Prayer conversation with God, his angels and his Saints.”
The Pope prays to Mary and encourages all Catholics to do the same. In his Sunday mass in Denver in Aug.1993 John Paul II entrusted the youth and the entire world under Mary’s protection and guidance.
Can we pray to Mary or other saints as we do to God? Can some person who is at the other end of the universe hear our prayers? Isn't this something that is exclusively reserved to God? How can a saint hear hundreds or thousands of prayers at one time? No matter how great a saint they were, they are not omniscient nor can they answer our prayers (it is a known fact there are more prayers offered to Mary than to God by Catholics). This is seen by the statement by Bishop Liqouri “We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus. She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, pp. 254, 257).
The Roman Catholic apologia claims that both Mary and saints are now glorified and have greater abilities. Some Catholics claim that they don't pray to Mary, but rather only ask her to pray for them. All this is like asking them to pray for you as you would ask a friend. But a person would have to pray to Mary if they are asking her something because she is not physically here. However we do not entrust the world to one or ask protection and guidance from someone who in turn is going to ask God!
A excerpt of the conclusion of the Rosary prayed by millions is: “Hail, holy Queen [of heaven], Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears.” To Mary they pray. The most well-known portion of the Rosary and most recited Catholic prayer, repeated millions of times is Catholics praying to Mary and asking in prayer for her to “pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.”
If this is not praying to Mary then one is not praying to the Father either in the Rosary.
God says to ask Him-- not Mary. Only God can answer ones prayer. So it becomes useless to pray to a saint, any saint no matter how great they may be.
Despite the rejections of saying they are praying to Mary or saints the Catholic Church does encourage praying to Mary as these excerpts from the Catechism of the Catholic Church prove: “Beginning with Mans unique cooperation with the working of the Holy- Spirit, the Churches developed their prayer to the holy Mother of God” (Catechism 2675) They do this claiming they are centering it “on the person of Christ manifested in his mysteries.”
'This twofold movement of prayer to Mary has found a privileged expression in the Ave Maria” (Catechism 2676)
“Mary is the perfect Orans prayer, a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father” (Catechism 2679)
They can pray to her because their church says “Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son ... ”
“Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”
Can this be found in the Bible?
Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to the Virgin Mary urging all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. Using the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John-- “Woman, behold thy son!” and “Behold thy mother!” (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement “IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community” (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).
Even the Pope prays to Mary “Mary of the New Advent, we implore your protection on the preparations that will now begin for the next meeting [World Youth Day]. Mary, full of grace, we entrust the next World Youth Day to you. Mary, assumed into heaven, we entrust the young people of the world ... the whole world to YOU” (August 1993, Denver, Colorado, Pope John Paul II).
Pope Pius IX in 1854 “Let all the children of the Catholic Church ... Proceed to worship, invoke, and pray to the most blessed Virgin Mary, mother of God. ”
This is not like asking someone on earth to pray for you, since they are physically here to converse. What the Roman Catholic is doing is asking those who are not physically here and are unable to see or affect the affairs of mankind on earth to do what is attributed to God only.
When we look in the Bible we find that prayer is directed to God alone. To set up a person as a recipient for our prayers, no matter how great they are is making them out to be deity. Asking a saint to help and guide or protect is something only God can do. As someone once put it, why go to the branch office when you can go to the president. There is not one example of a Christian addressing prayers to Mary or saints, or those who are dead passing from our world. There is much to be said of those who practice Spiritism that use this method. Catholic defenders suggest that Mary is not part of “the dead”, since she's spiritually alive in Heaven. The passages in Deuteronomy 18 and Isaiah 8 are referring to the physically dead, not the spiritually dead. There are hundreds of prayers and passages about prayer in scripture, and none of them instruct prayers to the dead. The scriptures forbid attempting to contact the dead, yet the Catholic Church teaches people to do it.
SweetSue92
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This is basically an earthquake in Catholicism
SweetSue92
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It gets wilder, as we well know:
They claim Mary remained a Virgin for her entire life, even though the Scriptures CLEARLY present Jesus' siblings.
And then, they claim she HERSELF was conceived immaculately.
Crazy work really
Carl in Michigan
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Thank you!
They ALMOST made me question what was being said.
This is a spiritual stupor. I think they honest believe their own excuses
SweetSue92
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Husband's grandmother was a dear lady, and Catholic. When we were visiting once it came up that Jesus had siblings. Grandma said they were cousins. We said no grandma, He had brothers and sisters.
She couldn't believe it, and went to get her Catholic "bible" to prove her point. Her passage said "cousins". We said that's a misinterpretation, and showed her in an online Bible that every other translation had "brothers and sisters".
She wasn't mad about it, but it blew her mind.
Carl in Michigan
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Mary was MARRIED. She had sex. She had kids. They all grew to be great Christians.
The marriage be is UNDEFILED before the Lord
Zebra
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Yes, a thred should not start by a video
The pope never said it.
Nobody has ever said Mary is the co-redeemer. This is a Protestant construct.
It's not. Catholics do not worship Mary. This is a Protestant construct.
1. Asking Mary's intercession is not worshipping Mary.
2. Catholics do not pray to statues. Statues are simply focal points or reminders.
3. No Catholic that I know has ever looked at Mary as equal to or above Jesus.
4. The Pope has said to honor Mary, which is what the Bible says. Protestants seem hostile towards Mary, to be frank.
This OP is a red herring. There's nothing there.
I always say this. The atheist Marxists attack the RCC full-time because we are the biggest impediment to their agenda. It is not helpful when fellow Christians do their bidding by spreading lies.
DennisPTate
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Wow!!!!!!!!
This is huge!!!!
Pope Leo is telling the truth and he is saying something that truly does need to be said.
It's not a step anywhere. It's not huge. It's stating the obvious.
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Catholics believe that the Body of Christ consists of both the living and the dead. Also...this is not about Mary being 'needed'. It's about Mary (and other Saints/members of the Body of Christ, at times, being included.
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Try delving more deeply, or continue to ignore it. The names of the parents of these cousins are in the Bible.
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True, but it takes courage to state the obvious!
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Invisibleflash
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When I was a kid, we prayed to Mary and the patron saints. We worshipped lots of god/s back then.
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