Zone1 Question for the Catholics: is This True?

[onefour1]

Whenever did Jesus teach that we should pray to an intercessory to gain more favor with Him or his Father? Never.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Whenever did Jesus teach that we should pray to an intercessory to gain more favor with Him or his Father? Never.

They go thru a lot of mental gymnastics to justify what the Scriptures condemn

Getting them to admit that their spiritual leader condemns this practice is like pulling wisdom teeth

 

[Meriweather]

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

I don't see the connection with that verse and praying to Mary.

Mary is a member of the Body of Christ. Asking a member of the Body of Christ to join you in a prayer is where two or three are gathered in his name.

 

[onefour1]

Mary is a member of the Body of Christ. Asking a member of the Body of Christ to join you in a prayer is where two or three are gathered in his name.

That is some real creative scripture interpretation.

 

[Meriweather]

That is some real creative scripture interpretation.

Sorry you missed it.

 

[Meriweather]

Getting them to admit that their spiritual leader condemns this practice is like pulling wisdom teeth

Please quote Pope Leo XIV, who he said this to, and when. Otherwise, what business is it of yours? You are not Catholic, nor do you acknowledge any authority by the Pope.

 

[Crepitus]

Why pray to a creation when you can pray to the Creator?

Jesus never ever said to pray to His mother.

My understanding is you aren't praying to worship mary, but for her intercession with "god".

Isn't that what the whole rosary bead thing is about?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That is some real creative scripture interpretation.

Shes a slippery one.

 

[Meriweather]

Shes a slippery one.

It's a simple matter of in depth research of the Bible in its entirety. It takes time, and quite a lot of that.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It's a simple matter of in depth research of the Bible in its entirety. It takes time, and quite a lot of that.

Ive prayed to George Washington to put in a good word for my dad

 

[Meriweather]

Ive prayed to George Washington to put in a good word for my dad

You asked George Washington to join you in prayers asking God to bless your dad?

Any chance you asked God for blessings on all our past Presidents?

 

[ding]

So you can't answer the simple question? So far you're the only Catholic to respond to a simple and sincere question. Instead you resort to personal attacks.

I'll wait for a decent Catholic to verify this.

It's a bullshit question. Catholics don't worship or pray to Mary anymore than you are praying to your friend when you ask your friend to pray for you.

You're a gas lighter. See Proverbs 22:8

 

[ding]

I'll wait for a decent Catholic to verify this.

What you are really saying is that you'll keep looking for Catholics that will play along with your gas lighting claims.

Repent before it is too late.

 

[ding]

Whenever did Jesus teach that we should pray to an intercessory to gain more favor with Him or his Father? Never.

Whenever did Jesus teach to bear false witness against neighbors or use prayer circles? Have you ever been part of a prayer circle? Because a prayer circle isn't explicitly in the Bible either. Blaspheme!

A prayer circle is a spiritual gathering where people form a circle (physically or metaphorically) to offer collective prayers for healing, guidance, or support, fostering unity and shared spiritual energy for specific intentions like illness, hardship, or thanksgiving, and is found across many faiths and traditions. Participants might hold hands, share requests, and focus their combined spiritual energy to amplify their prayers for positive transformation, serving as a way to lift each other up in times of need.

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them,"

 

[Mashmont]

If so this is quite a great step forward. He deserves respect for this positive statement

The pope did NOT say to stop asking Mary for Intercession. Nobody ever claimed Mary was equal to or above Jesus. No Catholic claims to be worshipping Mary. This is a claim Protestants have made which is untrue.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The pope did NOT say to stop asking Mary for Intercession. Nobody ever claimed Mary was equal to or above Jesus. No Catholic claims to be worshipping Mary. This is a claim Protestants have made which is untrue.

Then why would your pope need to tell Catholics this is wrong?

Given the necessity of explaining Mary’s subordinate role to Christ in the work of Redemption, it is always inappropriate to use the title “Co-redemptrix” to define Mary’s cooperation. This title risks obscuring Christ’s unique salvific mediation and can therefore create confusion and an imbalance in the harmony of the truths of the Christian faith, for “there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). When an expression requires many, repeated explanations to prevent it from straying from a correct meaning, it does not serve the faith of the People of God and becomes unhelpful. In this case, the expression “Co-redemptrix” does not help extol Mary as the first and foremost collaborator in the work of Redemption and grace, for it carries the risk of eclipsing the exclusive role of Jesus Christ — the Son of God made man for our salvation, who was the only one capable of offering the Father a sacrifice of infinite value — which would not be a true honor to his Mother. Indeed, as the “handmaid of the Lord” (Lk 1:38), Mary directs us to Christ and asks us to “do whatever he tells you” (Jn 2:5).

Mediatrix

23. The concept of mediation appears in the Eastern Church Fathers starting in the sixth century. In the following centuries, Saint Andrew of Crete,[43] Saint Germanus of Constantinople[44] and Saint John Damascene[45] employed this title with different meanings. In the West, this expression gained more frequent use starting in the twelfth century, although it was not formally articulated as a doctrinal thesis until the seventeenth century. In 1921, Cardinal Mercier, Archbishop of Mechelen — with the scholarly collaboration of the Catholic University of Louvain and the support of the bishops, clergy, and laity of Belgium — petitioned Pope Benedict XV to issue a dogmatic definition of Mary’s universal mediation. However, the Holy Father did not grant this request; he only approved a feast with its own Mass and the Office of Mary Mediatrix.[46] From then until 1950, theological research on this question continued to develop up to the preparatory phase of the Second Vatican Council. The Council did not enter into dogmatic declarations[47] but preferred to present an extensive synthesis “of Catholic doctrine on the place to attribute to the Blessed Virgin Mary in the mystery of Christ and the Church.”[48]

Mater Populi fidelis - Doctrinal Note on Some Marian Titles Regarding Mary’s Cooperation in the Work of Salvation (4 November 2025)

Mater Populi fidelis - Doctrinal Note on Some Marian Titles Regarding Mary’s Cooperation in the Work of Salvation (4 November 2025)

www.vatican.va

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The pope did NOT say to stop asking Mary for Intercession

You have ONE intercessor. That is not Mary

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

 

[ding]

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You have ONE intercessor. That is not Mary

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

The Catholic Church has never declared Mary as a "Co-Redeemer," dummy.

 

[ding]

Then why would your pope need to tell Catholics this is wrong?

Because idiots like you keep telling lies. Repent before it's too late.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Mary is a member of the Body of Christ. Asking a member of the Body of Christ to join you in a prayer is where two or three are gathered in his name.

You don't need Mary for Christ to be in the midst of the 2 or 3. I'm pretty sure He was referring to humans, since we are forbidden to conjure up spirits of the dead.
The Bible is consistent about not summoning the dead, or trying to contact the dead, or praying to the dead. It would be the same as you talking to your deceased grandfather and asking him to join in the prayer.