Question about WW2..

Well retribution seems to be an understatement to explain the savagery, and it doesn't explain the hatred today of Russia, Russia isn't the Soviet Union under Stalin.
I suspect many Balts who helped the Germans identify Jewish Baltic citizens didn’t expect the Germans to exterminate them. This belief is of course naive on their part and certainly does not justify their actions.

I in no way believe the hatred today of Russia by Baltic citizens has anything to do with Jews. It has to do with decades of oppression by the Soviets.
 
Well retribution seems to be an understatement to explain the savagery, and it doesn't explain the hatred today of Russia, Russia isn't the Soviet Union under Stalin.
Under Stalin, Europe was saved from nazis.
 
Well retribution seems to be an understatement to explain the savagery, and it doesn't explain the hatred today of Russia, Russia isn't the Soviet Union under Stalin.
Apparently it doesn't matter how may times you point out that fact people prefer being deaf.
 
Thanks.

I take exception to the Finnish gripe causing it to join NATO and antagonize Russia. That gripe has existed since WWII, yet Finland doesn’t join NATO until recently. So, the gripe had nothing to do with it. Though it may have caused some Finns to dislike Russia, proving my point.

Sweden too had sought an independent policy with the USSR and later with Russia, since WWII. So yes their citizens may not hate or fear Russia, yet they too just joined NATO provoking Russia. So as I stated, it may be their political leaders were pressured by the empire and rewarded by it monetarily.
For 80years there was no problem between at first the Soviet Union then Russia, the Finnish came to a agreement after the war they would remain neutral and have friendly relations with the Soviet Union, the Soviets allowed Finland to exist which they didn't need to, they could have rubbed it out from History after they sided with Hitler, that worked out didn't it, they have decided to make themselves an enemy of Russia.
 
Under Stalin, Europe was saved from nazis.
Yes, that's absolutely true but Stalin PR'd it as "anti-Fascism" while becoming one himself. This is why Americans (in particular) have no understanding of what Fascism-Socialism-Communism-Democracy mean. If you ask them they'll probably say having a moustache is proof of NAZISM just because Hitler had one. :auiqs.jpg:
 
I take exception to the Finnish gripe causing it to join NATO and antagonize Russia. That gripe has existed since WWII, yet Finland doesn’t join NATO until recently. So, the gripe had nothing to do with it.
I am very sorry to say that you are wasting my time now.
 
I know all about it because i made it my business to know about it, the Vatican supported the Nazis in the war, Nazi war criminals were given refuge inside Monasteries.
Isn't it amazing that most people don't already know this?
 
Not really because most don't want to know about it, they have been groomed and brainwashed all their lives into believing their Governments are the ones wearing the white hats.
Yeah the US is the indispensable nation, or so they like to say. This of course means to them, they are allowed to do whatever they like.

Funny thing…Israel seems to think much the same.

These two nations are responsible for most of the death and destruction these past few decades.
 
Yeah the US is the indispensable nation, or so they like to say. This of course means to them, they are allowed to do whatever they like.

Funny thing…Israel seems to think much the same.

These two nations are responsible for most of the death and destruction these past few decades.
 
Not really because most don't want to know about it, they have been groomed and brainwashed all their lives into believing their Governments are the ones wearing the white hats.
Well yes, but "brainwashing" (as you say) relieves them of "not wanting".
 
Yeah the US is the indispensable nation, or so they like to say. This of course means to them, they are allowed to do whatever they like.

Funny thing…Israel seems to think much the same.

These two nations are responsible for most of the death and destruction these past few decades.
Problem is there is no one really doing anything about it, some Countries can't even be arsed to speak out at the UN or put sanctions on that vile Regime, the only way they will be stopped is if other Countries have the balls to stop them by force, there is no sign of that at the moment, Egypt could have done much more they have a big military and a border with Gaza.
 
Americans were reluctant to get into a foreign war about 25 years after Woodrow Wilson promised that he would never commit Americans to fight in a foreign war. It was a hell of a coincidence that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor just in time to convince Americans to get into the "real war" in Europe.
It wasn't a coincidence at all. Japan saw a window to grab all the European colonies while the Europeans were either busy fighting the Germans or had been conquered by them. The USA was in the way and the Japanese were absolutely sure that the USA would fold after a sharp punch in the nose since we were a degenerate mongrel nation with no honor. Even after Hiroshima the Japanese were certain that if they spilled enough American blood, the USA would cave and give them a peace allowing them to keep most of their stolen lands.
 
Under Stalin, Europe was saved from nazis.
Bullcrap. Under governments freely chosen by democratic elections Eastern Europe would have been saved from both the Nazis and the Soviets who were actually worse than the Nazis. After all, Stalin had nothing to do with the post-war governments of West Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, the UK, France. All of western Europe had far better living conditions and economies than the countries under Stalin's Soviet Union.
 
... the US.....… Israel seems to think much the same.

These two nations are responsible for most of the death and destruction these past few decades.
That's the damned truth.
Problem is there is no one really doing anything about it, .
We only need to go back to the illegal invasion of Irak. WMD's. Did they exist? No. Did the US lie about them? Yes. Did the US, UK, and UN know it was a lie? Yes. Did they invade without jurisdiction or the permission from the UN? Yes, they invaded anyway. Has the UN put any of the responsible people behind bars? No!

So, let us repeat: "there is no one really doing anything about it".
 
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Why did Hitler stop the successful invasion of France just before Dunkerk …. For so long as it took to let the English escape?
The British day of prayer.
 
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