Why is the West pretending Iran is winning the war against Israel, the US?

Bull

Bull-shit, I know what I watched as I watched it.

Trump claimed the nuke capabilities we "obliterated."

The leftardz (probably you included) immediately jumped into trying to undermine Trump's claim.

So, here we are now, finishing the job.

You are just too chickenshit to own your part in how it played out.
What part about Trump proving himself to be a perpetual liar over the years in office, makes you think anything he says, should not be questioned for it's validity or truthfulness? The sane, will always question what he says, based on Trump's own ease and comfort he's continually shown, to lying.

He gives me the creeps, Chuz....
 
What part about Trump proving himself to be a perpetual liar over the years in office, makes you think anything he says, should not be questioned for it's validity or truthfulness? The sane, will always question what he says, based on Trump's own ease and comfort he's continually shown, to lying.

He gives me the creeps, Chuz....
You just moved the goalpost.

I'm not chasing it.

Eiether acknowledge my point or don't.

The fact that you are trying to play both sides of that issue is right there for everyone else to see.
 
What part about Trump proving himself to be a perpetual liar over the years in office, makes you think anything he says, should not be questioned for it's validity or truthfulness?
They can't admit to any lies. Zero. None. Because if they do, they might start wondering what ELSE he has lied about. And that opens up the can of worms.

I think they know at some level. But this is far deeper than just politics for them. He makes them "feel" strong and smart and part of something. That's priceless.
 
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You just moved the goalpost.

I'm not chasing it.

Eiether acknowledge my point or don't.

The fact that you are trying to play both sides of that issue is right there for everyone else to see.
Yes, democrats, some trumper Republicans, and all never Trumpers, and the press questioned the truthfulness in trump's claims of obliterating Iran's nukes.

And as we see with this new attack and Trump's "all over the place" reasoning, Trump lied to us about the nukes he allegedly obliterated ...so those questioning his claims of Victory and obliteration WERE CORRECT.

WHAT is your problem with that?
 
Yes, democrats, some trumper Republicans, and all never Trumpers, and the press questioned the truthfulness in trump's claims of obliterating Iran's nukes.

And as we see with this new attack and Trump's "all over the place" reasoning, Trump lied to us about the nukes he allegedly obliterated ...so those questioning his claims of Victory and obliteration WERE CORRECT.

WHAT is your problem with that?
The problem with your post is it is all bullshit.

No one said anything about Iran's nukes being destroyed because Iran had no nukes. The claim was that Iran's nuclear weapons program had been destroyed and all the evidence supports that claim. There is no evidence Iran has rebuilt any part of it, but there was activity around the nuclear sites that were destroyed that suggested Iran might be trying to rebuild them and that is one of the factors that persuaded the President to strike Iran now.

How crazy do you have to be to go to all this trouble, tell all these lies, just to insult the President.
 
The problem with your post is it is all bullshit.

No one said anything about Iran's nukes being destroyed because Iran had no nukes. The claim was that Iran's nuclear weapons program had been destroyed and all the evidence supports that claim. There is no evidence Iran has rebuilt any part of it, but there was activity around the nuclear sites that were destroyed that suggested Iran might be trying to rebuild them and that is one of the factors that persuaded the President to strike Iran now.

How crazy do you have to be to go to all this trouble, tell all these lies, just to insult the President.
Nuke CAPABILITIES obliterated, sorry.....did not mean for you to think they already had nukes! I thought you and everyone knew that Iran was working on it, but had not yet achieved....which has been going on for decades.
 
Nuke CAPABILITIES obliterated, sorry.....did not mean for you to think they already had nukes! I thought you and everyone knew that Iran was working on it, but had not yet achieved....which has been going on for decades.
So when you say nukes, you don't actually mean nukes, it's just demspeak for hating Trump. I see.
 
Until the annexation of Ukraine, I was starting to warm up to Russia as they were becoming more and more pro-capitalism.

Putin blew it.
As if American annexation of Texas and 2/3 of Mexico made the USA "socialistic".
Imperialism is one of manifestations of Capitalism, baby.
But my remark wasn't about socialism/capitalism. I just said, that you can live with nuclear Iran. You may not like it, but it definitely not a vital thing for you.

As for Iran? They can keep trying, and they probably will.

I will continue to support the opposition to that.
It won't be effective.
 
You just moved the goalpost.

I'm not chasing it.

Eiether acknowledge my point or don't.

The fact that you are trying to play both sides of that issue is right there for everyone else to see.

Either acknowledge my point or don't.


This is what the Whitehouse posted in defense of Trump's immediate claim of OBLITERATION...


The world is far safer after President Donald J. Trump’s highly successful, decisive precision strikes against the Iranian regime’s key nuclear facilities.

Take it from those who actually know:

President Trump: “Monumental Damage was done to all Nuclear sites in Iran, as shown by satellite images. Obliteration is an accurate term! The white structure shown is deeply imbedded into the rock, with even its roof well below ground level, and completely shielded from flame. The biggest damage took place far below ground level. Bullseye!!!”

Israel Atomic Energy Commission: “The devastating US strike on Fordo destroyed the site’s critical infrastructure and rendered the enrichment facility inoperable. We assess that the American strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, combined with Israeli strikes on other elements of Iran’s military nuclear program, has set back Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons by many years. The achievement can continue indefinitely if Iran does not get access to nuclear material.”

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir: “I can say here that the assessment is that we significantly damaged the nuclear program, and I can also say that we set it back by years, I repeat, years.”

Iran Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei: “Our nuclear installations have been badly damaged, that’s for sure.”

Vice President JD Vance: “I can say to the American people with great confidence that they are much further away from a nuclear program today than they were 24 hours ago. That was the objective of the mission, to destroy that Fordow nuclear site, and of course, do some damage to the other sites as well, but we feel very confident that the Fordow nuclear site was substantially set back, and that was our goal.”

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: “Based on everything we have seen — and I’ve seen it all — our bombing campaign obliterated Iran’s ability to create nuclear weapons. Our massive bombs hit exactly the right spot at each target and worked perfectly. The impact of those bombs is buried under a mountain of rubble in Iran; so anyone who says the bombs were not devastating is just trying to undermine the President and the successful mission.”

Secretary Hegseth: “Given the 30,000 pounds of explosions and the capability of those munitions, it was DEVASTATION underneath Fordow … Any assessment that tells you otherwise is speculating with other motives.”

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Dan “Razin” Caine: “Initial battle damage assessments indicate that all three sites sustained extremely severe damage and destruction. More than 125 US aircraft participated in this mission, including B2 stealth bombers, multiple flights of fourth and fifth generation fighters, dozens and dozens of air refueling tankers, a guided missile submarine, and a full array of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance aircraft, as well as hundreds of maintenance and operational professionals.”

Secretary of State Marco Rubio: “The Iranian program — the nuclear program — today looks nothing like it did just a week ago … That story is a false story and it’s one that really shouldn’t be re-reported because it doesn’t accurately reflect what’s happening.”

Secretary Rubio: “Everything underneath that mountain is in bad shape … There’s no way Iran comes to the table if somehow nothing had happened. This was complete and total obliteration. They are in bad shape. They are way behind today compared to where they were just seven days ago because of what President Trump did.”

Special Envoy Steve Witkoff: “We put 12 bunker buster bombs on Fordow. There’s no doubt that it breached the canopy, there’s no doubt that it was well within reach of the depth that these bunker buster bombs go to, and there’s no doubt that it was obliterated — so the reporting out there that in some way suggests that we did not achieve the objective is just completely preposterous.”

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard: “The operation was a resounding success. Our missiles were delivered precisely and accurately, obliterating key Iranian capabilities needed to quickly assemble a nuclear weapon.”

International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi: “Given the explosive payload utilized, and the extreme vibration-sensitive nature of centrifuges, very significant damage is expected to have occurred. At the Esfahan nuclear site, additional buildings were hit, with the US confirming their use of cruise missiles. Affected buildings include some related to the uranium conversion process. Also at this site, entrances to tunnels used for the storage of enriched material appear to have been hit. At the Natanz enrichment site, the Fuel Enrichment Plant was hit, with the US confirming that it used ground-penetrating munitions.”

Institute for Science and International Security President David Albright: “Overall, Israel’s and U.S. attacks have effectively destroyed Iran’s centrifuge enrichment program. It will be a long time before Iran comes anywhere near the capability it had before the attack.”

Foundation for Defense of Democracies’ Nonproliferation and Biodefense Program Deputy Director Andrea Stricker: “I think that because of the massive damage and the shock wave that would have been sent by 12 Massive Ordnance Penetrators at the Fordow site, that it likely would render its centrifuges damaged or inoperable.”

American Enterprise Institute Middle East Portfolio Manager Brian Carter: “There is no question that the bombing campaign ‘badly, badly damaged’ the three sites.”

Institute for Science and International Security Senior Research Fellow Spencer Faragasso: “Overall, it may possibly take years for Iran to reconstitute the capabilities it lost at these facilities.”
 
We just spent $200 billion and lost more than a dozen American lives to get Iran to open a strait—with new tolls—that wasn’t closed before Trump started this war.
….you forgot to mention that we obliterated their nuclear abilities so that their death threats to America and Israel are now meaningless.

You must be a leftist.
 
….you forgot to mention that we obliterated their nuclear abilities so that their death threats to America and Israel are now meaningless.

You must be a leftist.

That was last June and suggestions otherwise are fake news.


The current fuckup was avoidable.
 
….you forgot to mention that we obliterated their nuclear abilities so that their death threats to America and Israel are now meaningless.

You must be a leftist.
Its simply not true. If Russia and China didn't want Iranian nuclear program, they had a lot of leverages against it. Iran just couldn't become nuclear without Russian and Chinese permission.
But if Russia and China do want Iran getting nuclear, you simply can't prevent it by bombing civilian infrastructure - for they can just sell nukes to Iran. And American illegal and unprovoked aggression just make them wish to make Iran nuclear.
 

Why is the West pretending Iran is winning the war against Israel, the US?

Despite Iran's military collapse, Western analysts continue to push a false narrative of victory. The facts don't align with the rhetoric surrounding the conflict.

7 Apr 2026 ~~ By Nadim Koteich

Let us be precise about what is happening here. A war is being fought in the Middle East. Another war is being fought in the pages of newspapers, on the panels of cable networks, and in the faculty lounges of institutions that have confused sophistication with a reflex. The second war has a declared winner: Iran. It just has nothing to do with what is actually happening in the first one.
The claim, repeated with the solemnity of established fact, is made by smart and credentialed people, who know and want you to know they know. However, they are wrong. Not subtly wrong. Not wrong in ways that require careful qualification. They are wrong in the way that requires ignoring ninety percent of Iran's missile capacity destroyed in week one, a navy that no longer exists, a Supreme Leader killed in the opening hours of the campaign, and a proxy network that is fracturing from Lebanon to Yemen.
Wrong in the way that requires looking at the Gulf states, which are doubling down on the relation with the US and Israel, and concluding somehow that Iran has outmaneuvered everyone.
This is not an analysis. So, what is it?
Start with the cultural reflex that makes it possible. There is a tradition in Western intellectual life, old and deeply rooted, that assigns moral value to resistance independent of what the resistance actually represents. The weaker party defying the stronger carries a charge, almost aesthetic in nature, that bypasses any serious accounting of the defiant party's actual character. Content is irrelevant. Posture is everything.
So the theocracy that massacred thousands of its own citizens in January, that has bled Lebanon dry through Hezbollah, that has sustained proxy wars across four countries at its own people's expense, gets cast as a proud country holding the line against imperial aggression. Few, in this context, question what the country actually does to the people living inside it. The template does not require that question. Power versus resistance. Empire versus defiance. The weaker party is always the more sympathetic one, and sympathy, in this world, travels quickly into presumed strategic vindication.
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The liberal international order has two problems with this war. The first is structural. America is the last Western democracy that still believes military force is a legitimate instrument of order, not a confession of civilizational failure. Europe settled that question in its own mind decades ago and built an entire political identity around the settlement. American willingness to remain the enforcer was tolerable when it meant keeping Soviet tanks out of Bonn. It is intolerable now because it validates a vision of the world, one where power and deterrence are the actual foundations of stability, that the European liberal project has spent fifty years attempting to replace with institutions, dialogue, and the softly spoken authority of multilateral consensus. A successful American military campaign does not just win a war. It wins an argument they thought they had closed, and it wins it twice. Because Ukraine already cracked every institution built to make war obsolete on the European continent, proving decorative the moment Russia invaded. The entire post-Cold War security architecture, gone in seventy-two hours.
The second problem is simpler and more raw. If America did it, it must be wrong. Not as a conclusion, but as a premise. American power is suspect by definition, its exercise presumptively illegitimate, its victories either temporary, tainted, or both. This is not a position that arrives after examining the evidence. It is the lens through which the evidence is examined, which means no evidence can ever change it. That is not a political view. It is a religion with better footnotes.
And then there is Trump. A Trump failure ratifies everything the liberal order has argued since 2016, whereas a Trump success is an ideological catastrophe. Because it means the man they identified as the singular threat to civilized governance managed to accomplish something consequential and real in the one domain where their own preferred approach produced the JCPOA, the engagement doctrine, and two decades of elaborately reasoned accommodation with a revolutionary theocracy that never moderated and never intended to.
They cannot let that be visible. So the goalposts move. Every civilian casualty becomes evidence of strategic bankruptcy. Every Iranian missile that gets through becomes proof of resilience. Every European condemnation becomes a harbinger of American isolation. The war must be failing because the alternative, a world in which this worked, is a world that does not fit the story they have been telling.
There is a test for this. Ask any of them directly: what would American victory look like to you? If the answer keeps changing, if every benchmark met produces a new benchmark, if success in their telling is always just out of reach, you are not in the presence of an analyst. You are in the presence of someone who decided the verdict before the trial began and is now selecting evidence accordingly.
The facts are not difficult. The enemy's supreme leader is dead. His navy is at the bottom of the Gulf. His missile arsenal is a fraction of what it was. His neighbors are not mourning. They are urging Washington to finish the job.
That is not a war Iran is winning. Saying otherwise is not sophistication. It is not moral complexity. It is a political project dressed in the language of seriousness, executed by people who know exactly what they are doing and are counting on the rest of us not to notice.


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Good question for Democrats, the Media and their goat copulating IRGC 5th columnists and Tehran Tiffanys.
If the goal of the United States is to overthrow the mullahs and effect regime change, then Iran does appear to be winning.
This is ridiculous. If Iran is winning, then Japan was “winning” right up until the Emperor surrendered. Germany was winning until Hitler offed himself and Lee was winning until…
The media is playing for the other team. It is no longer the Fourth Estate; it has grown into the Fifth Column and a direct threat to National Security.
Who can forget the Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Geraldo Rivera, Peter Arnett, Lester Holt and the rest of the blame America first media screaming the preferred media talking point of the day for the Afghan war - constant weeks of repeated coordinated messaging of “quagmire, quagmire, quagmire, quagmire, quagmire , quagmire , quagmire ,quagmire followed by a croaking. “We won”. “Whenever you hear the media coordinated talking point campaign you can be certain the people are being played, bluffed, baffled and bullshitted.
The news media and their fellow traveler Democrats talking points this time are "War Crime" and "Escalation".
Democrats are men and women that enslave others.
There have been slave owners since the beginning of time. If you control education and information, what will your population develop into?
Cooperative slaves.
Who dominates in Education and media? Democrats and their Marxist Socialist friends
Who dominates in productive industry? God fearing men.
I’m not always sure the military is a productive industry,
But their oath (and mine) ended with “So help me God.”
Personally. I believe there's no such thing as an Atheist in a war, and surely we are at war.
If the goal is to get Trump`s association with a deceased pedophile off the news, you`re winning there too. :abgg2q.jpg:
 

"Why is the West pretending Iran is winning the war against Israel, the US?"​

Why? Apparently, Iran has just completely destroyed Ben Gurion Airport with Khorramshahr-4 missiles. I guess that's one reason.
The Message to America Whenever Israel Is Attacked Is "YOU'RE NEXT!"


All the more reason to destroy Iran before it destroys the Great Satan's airports.
 
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