lafayette
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DittoThe Soviets helped the Nazis train their airforce and their army.
The Soviet Union and the nazis conspired against Poland.
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DittoThe Soviets helped the Nazis train their airforce and their army.
The Soviet Union and the nazis conspired against Poland.
LieThe Soviets helped the Nazis train their airforce and their army.
The Soviet Union and the nazis conspired against Poland.
Ringo: LieThe Soviets helped the Nazis train their Airforce and their army.
The Soviet Union and the nazis conspired against Poland.
I was reading on Google that Hitler invaded and conquered Holland in May 1940..
Ok, but I also read on Google that Japan invaded the Dutch East Indies after Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941 though to obtain thee oil fields in the Dutch East Indies..
My question is, why would Japan need to attack thee Dutch East Indies in 1941-1942 if Hitler had already conquered Holland in 1940..?
Wouldn’t thee Dutch East Indies have fallen if Holland had fallen to the Nazi’s a year or so prio
There is quite a lot of banter and speculation about the Soviet - NAZI - Bandera/Ukraini conglomeration but I think it is much more complicated than idiots like us understand. The Hitler-Stalin agreement has been understood fairly well. They both had their own agenda just waiting for the right moment to enact it. I think though, that Poland had good reason to be suspicious of Stalin right from the start and they told Britain about it in no uncertain terms. Anyway, this is 2024. The Soviet Union no longer exists and the world is not the same any more. Poland is committing an enormous mistake by making any concession with the Ukrainis and it is high time for Poland to join the millennium and understand what side of the bread is buttered. It is my assumption that the Poles are being manipulated by the huge Polish population in the US and Canada in the very same way that the Zionists are swinging their weight in the US by the same means.Some of us have known that for a long time yet the usual suspects continue with the bullshit that the Soviet Union collaborated with the Nazis.
Ringo: Lie
lafayette: Absolute truth.
Good points, my theory for what it's worth is that Stalin after having been turned down by the West for a mutual defence deal at the time against any threat from Germany decided to act alone, i believe the deal with the Germans was to play for time otherwise there would have been 2 plus million German troops on the border of the Soviet Union a long time before Barbarossa, when the Nazis did attack they got as far as the suburbs of Moscow, anyway the attitude of Poland today is hard to understand it's rabidly anti Russian, i put some of it down to lunatics like Brezinski who was in the US Government for a time, it wasn't the Russians who killed six million Poles and wiped Warsaw off the map it was the Nazis, like you say it's 2024 there is no reason why Poland shouldn't have good relations with Russia.There is quite a lot of banter and speculation about the Soviet - NAZI - Bandera/Ukraini conglomeration but I think it is much more complicated than idiots like us understand. The Hitler-Stalin agreement has been understood fairly well. They both had their own agenda just waiting for the right moment to enact it. I think though, that Poland had good reason to be suspicious of Stalin right from the start and they told Britain about it in no uncertain terms. Anyway, this is 2024. The Soviet Union no longer exists and the world is not the same any more. Poland is committing an enormous mistake by making any concession with the Ukrainis and it is high time for Poland to join the millennium and understand what side of the bread is buttered. It is my assumption that the Poles are being manipulated by the huge Polish population in the US and Canada in the very same way that the Zionists are swinging their weight in the US by the same means.
The overt hatred and fear of Russia today seems rather prevalent in much of Europe. Poland isn’t alone with this attitude. The Baltic States certainly hold this attitude, as does Sweden and Finland. Their alignment with NATO proves this.Good points, my theory for what it's worth is that Stalin after having been turned down by the West for a mutual defence deal at the time against any threat from Germany decided to act alone, i believe the deal with the Germans was to play for time otherwise there would have been 2 plus million German troops on the border of the Soviet Union a long time before Barbarossa, when the Nazis did attack they got as far as the suburbs of Moscow, anyway the attitude of Poland today is hard to understand it's rabidly anti Russian, i put some of it down to lunatics like Brezinski who was in the US Government for a time, it wasn't the Russians who killed six million Poles and wiped Warsaw off the map it was the Nazis, like you say it's 2024 there is no reason why Poland shouldn't have good relations with Russia.
.... my theory ... is that Stalin after having been turned down by the West for a mutual defence deal at the time against any threat from Germany decided to act alone
That also make sense.... i believe the deal with the Germans was to play for time otherwise there would have been 2 plus million German troops on the border of the Soviet Union a long time before Barbarossa,
It's illogical..... the attitude of Poland today is hard to understand it's rabidly anti Russian,
There's the reason alright.i put some of it down to lunatics like Brezinski who was in the US Government for a time,
I still think it's the huge US/Canadian Polish population that is putting its influence in force. Just like the Zionists in the US are doing..... it's 2024 there is no reason why Poland shouldn't have good relations with Russia.
Germany of the Weimar Republic was normal democracy. It is not surprising that the two states under Western sanctions cooperated in different spheres of life. But any military cooperation was terminated by the Soviet Union when Hitler came to power. Unlike the West, which continued to pour millions into the economy of Hitler's Germany and proclaimed Hitler Man of the Year.German armor units were also training in the Soviet Union along with Luftwaffe units. This started long before Hitler;
No, this is not true.The overt hatred and fear of Russia today seems rather prevalent in much of Europe.
OK.Poland isn’t alone with this attitude.
Yes.The Baltic States certainly hold this attitude
No, not true.as does Sweden
Yes true, but Finland has a legitimate gripe against Russia over Karelian.and Finland.
No. All that proves is pressure from the American MIC. Extortion. It's called EXTORTION. Who assassinated Olof Palme? I'll give you a hint: it was the same who assassinated John Kennedy.Their alignment with NATO proves this.
You seem to be agreeing with me while simultaneously disagreeing.No, this is not true.
OK.
Yes.
No, not true.
Yes true, but Finland has a legitimate gripe against Russia over Karelian.
No. All that proves is pressure from the American MIC. Extortion. It's called EXTORTION. Who assassinated Olof Palme? I'll give you a hint: it was the same who assassinated John Kennedy.
I can see that.
That also make sense.
It's illogical.
There's the reason alright.
I still think it's the huge US/Canadian Polish population that is putting its influence in force. Just like the Zionists in the US are doing.
I think you could be right about the corruption of money, i didn't see any referendum in Sweden or Finland about joining NATO, that was the political leadership.You seem to be agreeing with me while simultaneously disagreeing.
It’s a fact the people of the Baltic States overwhelmingly fear and hate Russia. Finland and Sweden joining NATO may indicate a similar opinion of Russia. Or it could be that their political leadership are corrupted by money offered them by the US empire, that caused them to join NATO.
History certainly shouts continually provoking a powerful nation often leads to misunderstandings resulting in war.
I’ve studied the history of the Baltic States during and after WWII for nearly 40 years. I have extended family and friends of Lithuanian descent and know many who currently live there and have visited, since the fall of the USSR.I am not surprised by the rancid Baltic Nazis because they have not learned a damn thing since WW2, there were almost no Jews left alive there after they had finished, and unlike Poland they had SS volunteer units so there is little hope for those people to become human, they think they can change history by desecrating and destroying the graves and monuments to the Red army.
Perhaps you need to read my reply more carefully.You seem to be agreeing with me while simultaneously disagreeing.
That's an exageration but I'll give you a pass over it and just say "yes". If you want to discuss the deatails (as far as I am qualified to give my "opinion") then we can.It’s a fact the people of the Baltic States overwhelmingly fear and hate Russia.
No, I have explained that to you. Finland has a legimate gripe against the USSR and the gripe has yet to have been rectified so it is carried over to this day. Sweden neither has any serious gripe nor does "it" hate or fear Russia.Finland and Sweden joining NATO may indicate a similar opinion of Russia.
Well retribution seems to be an understatement to explain the savagery, and it doesn't explain the hatred today of Russia, Russia isn't the Soviet Union under Stalin.I’ve studied the history of the Baltic States during and after WWII for nearly 40 years. I have extended family and friends of Lithuanian descent and know many who currently live there and have visited, since the fall of the USSR.
I must take a small exception to your description of them being Nazis during WWII. Yes some were ardent supporters of Nazi Germany, which made them hate Jewish citizens of the Baltic states. But, as is often the case, the situation was more complex.
All three nations had relatively sizable Jewish populations prior to WWII. They lived in harmony for a long time. Vilnius was known as the ‘Jerusalem of the North.’ This changed after Stalin invaded in 1939 and quickly annexed all three nations and imposed his typical tyranny on the citizenry.
During this time, some Jews of the three nations gladly welcomed the Soviets and worked to support them. This caused many non-Jewish citizens to see them as traitors.
So, when the Germans invaded in 1941 and took control, the non-Jewish Baltics sought retribution against Jews. Sadly as so often happens, most Baltic Jews weren’t traitors but were lumped in with the traitors, resulting in the Nazis extermination of them.
Thanks.Perhaps you need to read my reply more carefully.
That's an exageration but I'll give you a pass over it and just say "yes". If you want to discuss the deatails (as far as I am qualified to give my "opinion") then we can.
No, I have explained that to you. Finland has a legimate gripe against the USSR and the gripe has yet to have been rectified so it is carried over to this day. Sweden neither has any serious gripe nor does "it" hate or fear Russia.