Pretti Shooting my opinion as a member of US Lawfare

[OODA_Loop]

I’m gonna end it there. Have a good one.

You have to end it here. Your links, your legal theory, your assertions have been debunked.

It is a simple question.....once again.

Is thrusting your chest against a LE officer removing you from the street during protest offensive contact?

 

[XponentialChaos]

You have to end it here. Your links, your legal theory, your assertions have been debunked.

It is a simple question.....once again.

Is thrusting your chest against a LE officer removing you from the street during protest offensive contact?

Post your link that debunks it. You have nothing.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Post your link that debunks it. You have nothing.

Debunks what exactly?

 

[Marener]

I feel much safer that I have guns because I recognize the fact that criminals exist. Even if we were able to disarm everyone, which is an impossible fantasy, a criminal with a knife can't be easily stopped by my 5'0 tall wife. She needs the great equalizer...a gun.

If you think your wife has bad odds against someone with a knife, her odds against someone with a gun aren’t that much better.

Not that either scenario is at all very likely. Violent crime just isn’t very common.

 

[MayorQuimby]

If you think your wife has bad odds against someone with a knife, her odds against someone with a gun aren’t that much better.

But it would still be better. Whereas before, when she had no guns, she had pretty much zero chance (what with being 5 foot), now she at least gets a slim fighting chance. I'd say that's an improvement worth getting, especially when you consider that it's literally her life that's on the line.

Not that either scenario is at all very likely. Violent crime just isn’t very common.

You probably live in a gated, sheltered leftist-infested community. When you talk like this, I know you have zero grasp on the reality a lot of Americans face.

 

[OldFlame]

In Byrd’s situation, the police forces had been over-run by people intending to do harm, he was out-numbered, and they were trying to get to our elected officials.

In Pretti’s situation, Pretti was out-numbered. They had 7 or 8 officers on him, he had shown no intention to harm, and our elected officials aren’t in danger.

We’re not going to agree on this but I’m explaining what I see as key differences here.

Again, should our elected officials be defended by any means necessary? Or should we allow violent mobs through to them in the hopes that they don’t actually attack them?

You have no idea what anyone was intending, and 'intention' does not play into the legal grounds for using deadly force. The parameters were not met to use deadly force against Babbit, not even close. And that's all that matters, all of the things you are bringing up have nothing to do with using deadly force. And if what you were saying was true, then the officers on the same side of the door with the protestors could have just started shooting them at will since they all would fit your parameters. There is no 'agreeing' or 'disagreeing', the Babbit shooting did not meet the legal parameters of using deadly force. The Pretti case is far closer given the circumstances.

 

[OODA_Loop]

If you think your wife has bad odds against someone with a knife, her odds against someone with a gun aren’t that much better.

Not that either scenario is at all very likely. Violent crime just isn’t very common.

The distances one would expect contact with a woman in everyday circumstances she could very well have better chances against a shooter over motivated edged weapon attacker. But I know you know that from your training and experience.

 

[XponentialChaos]

You have no idea what anyone was intending, and 'intention' does not play into the legal grounds for using deadly force. The parameters were not met to use deadly force against Babbit, not even close. And that's all that matters, all of the things you are bringing up have nothing to do with using deadly force. And if what you were saying was true, then the officers on the same side of the door with the protestors could have just started shooting them at will since they all would fit your parameters. There is no 'agreeing' or 'disagreeing', the Babbit shooting did not meet the legal parameters of using deadly force. The Pretti case is far closer given the circumstances.

I’m looking for some common ground here.

If thousands of BLM rioters break into a government building, violently assaulting hundreds of police officers along the way to get to Trump and the members of his administration, would you want security to use any means necessary in order to defend our President? Would you be ok with them using lethal force if necessary?

I would. How about you?

 

[Marener]

But it would still be better. Whereas before, when she had no guns, she had pretty much zero chance (what with being 5 foot), now she at least gets a slim fighting chance. I'd say that's an improvement worth getting, especially when you consider that it's literally her life that's on the line.




You probably live in a gated, sheltered leftist-infested community. When you talk like this, I know you have zero grasp on the reality a lot of Americans face.

This poster is pretty open about the fact that he and his wife are 1%ers. They make a lot of money. Not judging. Just saying that the odds that she’s a victim of a random murder is exceptionally low.

People do a shit job at risk assessment.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Minnesota has taken a huge step forward for the safety of Minnesotans.

13:05



"What we did agree upon, is not to release public safety risks back to in the community, when they could be lawfully transferred to ICE."

Seems so obvious, but it is a breakthrough. Minnesota doing what ever other state with any sense has always done, which is everything it can to protect its citizens from violent criminals - especially if the feds are picking up the tab. What a no-brainer!

If a certain subset of violent criminals, i.e. illegal alien violent criminals, is subject to an additional means of being kept away from innocent residents, that is a good thing.

It is incredibly foolish to cry that it is unfair to the deported violent offenders, because not all violent offenders get deported. That is bizarrely childlike logic in grown people.

13:20

"The Minnesota State Prison system under the Department of Corrections, have been honoring ICE detainers."

Good for them! Corrections officers and managers see the violent criminals up close and daily and have no desire to unleash them on loved ones.

If the rest of Minnesota does not follow through with their agreement, then the Department of Corrections should be spared the axe when it is time to defund these insurrectionist fraudsters.

 

[MayorQuimby]

This poster is pretty open about the fact that he and his wife are 1%ers. They make a lot of money. Not judging. Just saying that the odds that she’s a victim of a random murder is exceptionally low.

People do a shit job at risk assessment.

Here's where you brain gets scrambled (again): Having a gun is not for those moments when you are not getting robbed. It's for that one moment when you do get robbed. And it doesn't matter how low the odds are that she might be robbed. As long as the odds aren't zero, then having a gun on her is prudent.

 

[Marener]

The distances one would expect contact with a woman in everyday circumstances she could very well have better chances against a shooter over motivated edged weapon attacker. But I know you know that from your training and experience.

You guys watch too many movies and enjoy too many violent fantasies.

 

[Marener]

Here's where you brain gets scrambled (again): Having a gun is not for those moments when you are not getting robbed. It's for that one moment when you do get robbed. And it doesn't matter how low the odds are that she might be robbed. As long as the odds aren't zero, then having a gun on her is prudent.

If your ideology is to protect yourself from every non-zero chance possibility, then you’re going to behave like a ******* lunatic.

 

[MayorQuimby]

You guys watch too many movies and enjoy too many violent fantasies.

He's right though, you probably have never seen a gun, much less shot one, in your whole life.

Of course you are probably just gonna lie now.

 

[Marener]

He's right though, you probably have never seen a gun, much less shot one, in your whole life.

Of course you are probably just gonna lie now.

Amazing that I managed to make it all these years without being the victim of a gun crime.

Must have been a miracle.

 

[MayorQuimby]

If your ideology is to protect yourself from every non-zero chance possibility, then you’re going to behave like a ******* lunatic.

Technically I am not speaking about preventing every single one such incident, although there really is wisdom in avoiding unnecessary risk (for example, I avoid flying, even though the odds of a plane crashing are very low). I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to be prudent, and considering that he and his wife are American, the odds of their being attacked or being home-invaded really aren't negligible.

Although you will seize every chance to comment on other people's lifestyle choices (ie, calling me "living like a lunatic"). How about you leftist pieces of trash back the **** off and let other people live their lives however they want?

 

[OODA_Loop]

You guys watch too many movies and enjoy too many violent fantasies.

I don’t need to watch movies to know the strike probability of a knife versus a firearm in an up lose real world encounter.

I fear the knife more.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Amazing that I managed to make it all these years without being the victim of a gun crime.

Must have been a miracle.

It depends on where you live.

You sound like a huge flaming lefty, you probably live in an expensive gated community where you have the luxury of lecturing other people and telling them how to live their lives.

 

[Marener]

I don’t need to watch movies to know the strike probability of a knife versus a firearm in an up lose real world encounter.

I fear the knife more.

You do you.

 

[Marener]

It depends on where you live.

You sound like a huge flaming lefty, you probably live in an expensive gated community where you have the luxury of lecturing other people and telling them how to live their lives.

Lefties all live in crime ridden shithole cities, didn’t you get the memo?

Keep your story straight.