President Trump Lost This War

[DGS49]

The first big test will be, Hezbollah launching projectiles into northern Israel, Israel responds, and the Iranians claim that Israel's retaliation is a breach of the cease fire.

How will The Donald respond? I'm not optimistic.

 

[candycorn]

'Iran’s hard-line government remains in place. The specifics of the nuclear agreement will apparently be negotiated over the next two months, but the terms seem likely to resemble those of a 2015 deal that President Barack Obama negotiated and that Mr. Trump canceled in 2018. He described the Obama agreement as the “worst deal ever” and said it put Iran on “a route to a nuclear weapon.” He criticized it for failing to force Iran to stop supporting terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and for loosening economic sanctions. Yet his destructive war seems likely to leave him with a similar deal.
[…]
On balance, Iran emerges the strategic winner of the four-month war. It did suffer substantial losses, including much of its navy, air force, military-industrial capacity and political leadership, including Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader, who was killed on the war’s first day. With the war ending, however, Iran’s leadership can begin rebuilding.

The United States, for its part, looks weaker in the eyes of the world. The American military has shown itself unable to quash a much smaller opponent even as it burned through many of its long-range precision missiles and interceptors. The outcome damages this country’s ability to deter other potential adversaries. To begin to repair the damage, the United States would be wise to mend alliances in Europe, the Middle East and Asia that have been frayed by the war’s military and economic effects. The Pentagon will also need to modernize and prepare for the wars of the future. Neither is likely to happen under President Trump.'

https://archive.is/6MMQB

Trump lost his failed, illegal war of choice.

A war both unwarranted and unnecessary.

A war that cost the lives of 13 US service members for no valid reason.

The job of “leader of the free world” is vacant.

 

[Old Rocks]

Not until Final, Signed, Sealed, and in play.

And then accuse anyone that points out that the agreement basically means that Iran won the strategic war of treason. They get the ability to reimpose economic damage at Hormuz any time they want. And we spent many billions of dollars in high cost defense interception against low cost Iranian munitions.

 

[Stryder50]

The GI bill was and is a wonderful way for men and women with no means to get an education in trades or college. It was the idea of a Democratic President much despised by the MAGAts.



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The G.I. Bill, officially the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944, was created to provide returning World War II veterans with education, housing, and employment benefits, profoundly shaping postwar American society.​

Origins and Legislative Development​

The G.I. Bill was signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on June 22, 1944, during World War II, to help millions of returning servicemen and women transition to civilian life and prevent postwar economic instability Wikipedia+2. The bill was largely designed and championed by the American Legion, with John H. Stelle, a former governor of Illinois, playing a key role in drafting the legislation and mobilizing public support, earning him the title "Father of the G.I. Bill" Wikipedia. Initially, Roosevelt envisioned a smaller program focused on employment, but after reports from Anna M. Rosenberg, who interviewed soldiers in Europe, educational benefits were added to meet veterans’ expectations Wikipedia.

Key Provisions​

The G.I. Bill offered a range of benefits, including:

• Education and Training: Tuition, books, supplies, and living stipends for college, vocational, or on-the-job training programs Wikipedia+1. Within seven years, about 8 million veterans used these benefits, dramatically increasing college attendance and degree attainment war.gov+1.
• Unemployment Compensation: Financial support for veterans seeking work, with nearly 9 million veterans receiving close to $4 billion from 1944 to 1949 HISTORY.
• Housing and Business Loans: Low-interest mortgages and business loans to help veterans establish homes and careers HISTORY+1.

Impact and Legacy​

The G.I. Bill had a transformative effect on American society:

• It expanded the middle class by enabling veterans to pursue higher education and homeownership HISTORY+1.
• College and university degree-holders more than doubled between 1940 and 1950, and the percentage of Americans with advanced degrees rose significantly over the following decades National Archives.
• The bill helped prevent a postwar economic depression by staggering veterans’ entry into the labor market war.gov.
• While initially focused on World War II veterans, subsequent legislation, such as the Readjustment Benefits Act of 1966, extended benefits to all veterans, including those who served during peacetime HISTORY.

Challenges and Inequalities​

Despite its broad impact, not all veterans benefited equally. Black veterans often faced discrimination in accessing bank loans and housing in suburban neighborhoods, limiting their ability to fully utilize the bill’s benefits National Archives.

Continuing Influence​

The term "G.I. Bill" continues to refer to modern programs assisting veterans, including the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill, which provides educational and housing benefits to more recent service members Wikipedia+1. Its legacy remains a cornerstone of U.S. veteran policy, shaping education, housing, and economic opportunity for generations.

While most of this post could rate an "Informative", you second sentence is blatant lie and bullshyte.
But then you tend to be a Lefty loser so what can we expect ?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Trump and you MAGAts certainly do not.

and i can say the same thing about you and your die hard lefties...

 

[luiza]

Iran raises the Victory Flags with America humiliated yet again.

Well done Cheeky Ones --- text book action for defeating International Terrorists .

 

[theHawk]

'Iran’s hard-line government remains in place. The specifics of the nuclear agreement will apparently be negotiated over the next two months, but the terms seem likely to resemble those of a 2015 deal that President Barack Obama negotiated and that Mr. Trump canceled in 2018. He described the Obama agreement as the “worst deal ever” and said it put Iran on “a route to a nuclear weapon.” He criticized it for failing to force Iran to stop supporting terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and for loosening economic sanctions. Yet his destructive war seems likely to leave him with a similar deal.
[…]
On balance, Iran emerges the strategic winner of the four-month war. It did suffer substantial losses, including much of its navy, air force, military-industrial capacity and political leadership, including Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader, who was killed on the war’s first day. With the war ending, however, Iran’s leadership can begin rebuilding.

The United States, for its part, looks weaker in the eyes of the world. The American military has shown itself unable to quash a much smaller opponent even as it burned through many of its long-range precision missiles and interceptors. The outcome damages this country’s ability to deter other potential adversaries. To begin to repair the damage, the United States would be wise to mend alliances in Europe, the Middle East and Asia that have been frayed by the war’s military and economic effects. The Pentagon will also need to modernize and prepare for the wars of the future. Neither is likely to happen under President Trump.'

https://archive.is/6MMQB

Trump lost his failed, illegal war of choice.

A war both unwarranted and unnecessary.

A war that cost the lives of 13 US service members for no valid reason.

Another retarded take,


Every “expert” claimed a war with Iran would be devastating from a military standpoint. Yet we absolutely kicked their asses and laid waste to their military. The best they could do is random rocket attacks on civilian targets.

Their ability to create a nuclear weapon has been devastated, and will take a long time to rebuild.

 

[kevinthrowe]

'Iran’s hard-line government remains in place. The specifics of the nuclear agreement will apparently be negotiated over the next two months, but the terms seem likely to resemble those of a 2015 deal that President Barack Obama negotiated and that Mr. Trump canceled in 2018. He described the Obama agreement as the “worst deal ever” and said it put Iran on “a route to a nuclear weapon.” He criticized it for failing to force Iran to stop supporting terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and for loosening economic sanctions. Yet his destructive war seems likely to leave him with a similar deal.
[…]
On balance, Iran emerges the strategic winner of the four-month war. It did suffer substantial losses, including much of its navy, air force, military-industrial capacity and political leadership, including Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader, who was killed on the war’s first day. With the war ending, however, Iran’s leadership can begin rebuilding.

The United States, for its part, looks weaker in the eyes of the world. The American military has shown itself unable to quash a much smaller opponent even as it burned through many of its long-range precision missiles and interceptors. The outcome damages this country’s ability to deter other potential adversaries. To begin to repair the damage, the United States would be wise to mend alliances in Europe, the Middle East and Asia that have been frayed by the war’s military and economic effects. The Pentagon will also need to modernize and prepare for the wars of the future. Neither is likely to happen under President Trump.'

https://archive.is/6MMQB

Trump lost his failed, illegal war of choice.

A war both unwarranted and unnecessary.

A war that cost the lives of 13 US service members for no valid reason.

Why is it that the support of other countries and the sale of weapons to them is condemned.
But the U.S. support of oppressive regimes snd the U.S. sales of arms, America is the world’s largest arms dealer, is ever brought to light in the discussion.
If Iran is wrong to sell arms to Lebanon then America is wrong to sell arms to Israel.

 

[TemplarKormac]

 

[martybegan]

Yes, of course the Admin could release it at any time.

And?

 

[martybegan]

The Islamic Jihad theocracy regime would have to be removed 100% before that happens.
At this point, we should give Iran nothing, other than the bill for our expended munitions and equipment, and lives.
Also the bill for damages they did to other nations in their hissy fit bombardments.

Giving the current leaders a few billion might entice some of them to jump ship with million dollar parachutes.

 

[martybegan]

And we have such a wonderful history concerning nation building, right? Since the WW2 nations, we have had only one success, and that is South Korea.

Grenada and Panama seem to be doing all right.

Iraq was a draw, Afghanistan was a loss. Vietnam was a loss.

 

[Jarod the Original]

Pretty stupid op

Simple truth!

 

[Jarod the Original]

like you care about those 13 who died....

Trump clearly didn’t.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Not until Final, Signed, Sealed, and in play.

It was signed last Sunday per the Admin itself..

 

[Dragonlady]

The govt that was leading Iran 100 days ago is dead

Your lies and misinformation won’t bring them back

Trump has destroyed most of their military and got what Obama was never able to get done, Iran to sign an agreement

This was a massive success for the world

Ever word in your post is a lie.

The government that was leading Iran 100 days ago is very much alive and well. The leadership has changed, but the Ayatollahs are still firmly in command of the nation. The only difference is that these are hard liners compared to those who died. As always, Trump made things worse.

Trump hasn't destroyed "most of the military". The Iranians are still bombing your troops and your allies, and they've disrupted the world's economy by closing the Straits.

Iran signed the JCPOA when Obama was President, and Obama accomplished this without firing a shot or getting ANYONE killed.

Historians and experts are saying this is the worst US military defeat in US history. Well done, Trump. The worst that ever was.

 

[struth]

Ever word in your post is a lie.

The government that was leading Iran 100 days ago is very much alive and well. The leadership has changed, but the Ayatollahs are still firmly in command of the nation. The only difference is that these are hard liners compared to those who died. As always, Trump made things worse.

Trump hasn't destroyed "most of the military". The Iranians are still bombing your troops and your allies, and they've disrupted the world's economy by closing the Straits.

Iran signed the JCPOA when Obama was President, and Obama accomplished this without firing a shot or getting ANYONE killed.

Historians and experts are saying this is the worst US military defeat in US history. Well done, Trump. The worst that ever was.

Haha yeah your supreme leader is still alive! Haha talk about being a cult!

 

[TimFitz]

A War Without Human Cost Is a War Lost

There's no substitute for putting sailors and Marines in harm's way. That's their job.

Instead of long-distance drones and missiles, we should have secured the Gulf the first day by flooding it with our ships, with even more in the Strait, and landing troops on the Iranian shore, where the spotters for their own missiles were.

To ensure the free flow of oil, it was necessary that we escort the tankers out of there, no matter what the cost to our own ships. Sure, the importers should have all sent their navies, but why should they have when the formerly daring American Navy chickened out?

In order not to embarrass the cadets, Annapolis should take the plague of Admiral Farragut ordering, "Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!" and turn it against the wall.

None the less, the responsibility belongs to the man who started the war.

 

[TimFitz]

I believe it when it is actually released.

And I would hope we would help re-build an Iran governed under a nice Constitutional Monarchy.

It would be a wise investment on our part.

Constitutional monarchy?

Where do you get that from?

The Trump regiemes hinting at intalling Palhavi didn't last past the first few days.

 

[martybegan]

Constitutional monarchy?

Where do you get that from?

The Trump regiemes hinting at intalling Palhavi didn't last past the first few days.

It's been lingering under the surface.

Again you pretend everything said and reported reflects reality, well when it suits your TDS.