The "WAR POWERS RESOLUTION" has passed.

[Lesh]

Same, and I knew Afghanistan was simply the military industrial complex that was raping the Treasury. I knew the Neocons would get us in there and we would not leave for a long time. What an colossal waste of lives and money.

However, as it was obvious it would not end well, I had no idea it would end as bad as it did. The Afghan government, and their military, barely lasted a week.

I actually backed the Afg thing. Bin Laden was there.

We bungled it by turning away (towards Iraq) instead of helping to rebuild

 

[sartre play]

He is in the Islamic world thats the problem

So how can we solve the problem with the use of Hate?

 

[toobfreak]

Since it is a Resolution and not an Act, the President cannot veto it if the Senate agrees with the House. But it is very doubtful that the Constitution grants any “veto power” to Congress.

The Chada case held that Congress cannot place a check on the President’s Constitutional authority via a resolution. 462 U.S. 919 (1983). In fact it struck down the “legislative veto” as unconstitutional. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/462/919/

Since a mere Resolution is not subject to a Presidential veto, it shouldn’t have any legally binding effect on the President’s authority. But, Congress can pass a law. However, that IS subject to getting vetoed.

Congress is stuck with one remaining legally valid option. It can (theoretically) override the President’s veto.

Part of the problem that has dogged the "war powers" for half a century are its intrinsic ambiguities and so has been exploited many times by other presidents. The problem begins because the terms "consultation" and "consistent with" were never defined and so become subject to interpretation. Even the term "hostilities" is subject to interpretation.

Bill Clinton used this technique during his 1999 Kosovo bombing campaign that went well beyond the 60 day limit because Clinton never agreed the law even applied nor what actually constituted hostilities.

Obumma's 2011 attack on Libya was continued on the argument that his sustained aerial bombing did not constitute hostilities because they did not involve ground forces. The attack on Venezuela to take Maduro last year was characterized as a law enforcement operation therefore not subject to the Act. Maduro had already been indicted for drug trafficking charges, so the action in VZ became a police action. There is a theoretical emergency last-ditch action Congress can take to override a president but it has never been used and congress is too fragmented to pass it.

Add to that the courts have always refused to get in the middle between a president and Congress on the matter of war powers. So this may be in part or whole why Trump has danced around resuming kinetic military action because the longer his blockade remains in force, the weaker Iran becomes and the stronger his hand in resolving the matter. This resolution passed by the house, whether or not the Senate approves it, remains toothless in dissuading Trump from pulling out of the Persian Gulf and handing a victory to Iran, so Trump remains on firm ground and probably why he says he is no hurry to sign anything.

He probably figures that the longer he holds out, the more Iran will be willing to agree to, and if not, their weakened state just makes them more susceptible to further military engagement. Iran is currently already in a state of hyperinflation, and their currency has become worthless.

 

[odanny]

President Donald Trump lambasted the four Republicans who joined Democrats in voting to pass a resolution to block him from ordering further strikes on Iran, saying they “should be ashamed of themselves.”

“Who would do such an unpatriotic thing,” Trump wrote about the Democrats and “4 bad Republicans” in a social media post Thursday, calling the vote “meaningless” amid high-stakes negotiations to end the war in Iran.

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Thomas Massie (Kentucky)​

Massie has clashed bitterly with Trump in the past year and broken with Republicans on several key votes including Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill. He also led the effort to force the release of the government’s full files on the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Tom Barrett (Michigan)​

Barrett, who served in the U.S. Army for more than two decades, has expressed frustration with what he called the lack of a “clearly defined mission” or end date of U.S. military operations.

In April he opposed a measure to block Trump ordering strikes on Iran but said he introduced legislation to end operations there after the 60-day limit under the War Powers Resolution was reached.

“Congress has the exclusive authority under the Constitution to declare war and authorize the use of force,” he said Wednesday in a post on X.

Warren Davidson (Ohio)​

Davidson is another veteran who has called for U.S. objectives in conflicts to be clearly defined and carried out with congressional approval.

In March, he and Massie voted with Democrats in an effort to halt the war in Iran, before Davidson fell into line behind his party in later votes.

On Wednesday he sided with Democrats again. “Define the mission. Authorize the mission. Accomplish the mission,” he wrote on social media.

Brian Fitzpatrick (Pennsylvania)​

The former FBI agent and federal prosecutor has championed bipartisan decision-making in the House. He voted against a previous resolution before flipping to vote with Democrats in May after the expiration of the War Powers Resolution’s 60-day deadline.

On Wednesday, Fitzpatrick argued that Congress had to assert its powers and follow the law. “I don’t see what’s complicated about it,” he said. “Bring it to Congress, debate it on the merits, and have us vote. That’s the way the system’s supposed to work.”

 

[Lesh]

Regardless of what other Presidents did or didn’t do… Trump is absolutely in violation of the War Powers act AND the Constitution

 

[Doc7505]

I don't know why it's called a War Powers Resolution since it has no real "power". President Trump needs to quit trying to negotiate with who knows who. Iran has ZERO credibility, agreements mean NOTHING to them, it's all about buying time and rebuilding their drone and missile stockpiles.

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Hmm..., It still has to go to the Senate and be signed by the president.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Regardless of what other Presidents did or didn’t do… Trump is absolutely in violation of the War Powers act AND the Constitution

You have no factual or rational basis for your claim.
As per the norm.