Poverty. What is it Between America's Capitalist Society and Other Capitalist Societies.

[Anathema]

It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

You have to understand that those of us whose families founded this nation did so with the intent that the Government was supposed to be out of the daily lives of the People; and the further the Level of Government was from the People, the less involved in their lives thst Government was intended to be.

People were supposed to take care of themselves and those who they CHOSE TO assist. There was never any intent for the People to be forced to help others in any way. Especially not via the Government.

Unfortunately we’ve taken to intentionally misreading the founding documents. The ones that Mr Lincoln and FDRhaven’t already destroyed.

The moment that it becomes less profitable to ME to work or add value to Society is the moment I check out of Society. Currently, about 35% of my paycheck is collected by the Government, or spenton things the Government FORCES me to purchase (health insurance). Once thst number hits 51%, I QUIT. Considering the incoming White House occupant, I bet that will be relatively soon.

 

[Donald H]

hes definitely never had to provide for himself and others,,

I'll tell 'you' once and for everybody's benefit. I'm a retired working class Canadian who just happened to be fortunate in real estate. I bought a piece of property to build a house on at the right time. And then I left my electrical technician trade and business and I built another house. No need for any further explanation unless anyone asks. I'm well within my second million, of which half is liquid.

 

[progressive hunter]

hes definitely never had to provide for himself and others,,

I'll tell 'you' once and for everybody's benefit. I'm a retired working class Canadian who just happened to be fortunate in real estate. I bought a piece of property to build a house on at the right time. And then I left my electrical technician trade and business and I built another house. No need for any further explanation unless anyone asks. I'm well within my second million, of which half is liquid.

so youre a rich guy telling the less fortunate how they should live their lives so they stay poor,,, figures,,

 

[Donald H]

It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

You have to understand that those of us whose families founded this nation did so with the intent that the Government was supposed to be out of the daily lives of the People; and the further the Level of Government was from the People, the less involved in their lives thst Government was intended to be.

People were supposed to take care of themselves and those who they CHOSE TO assist. There was never any intent for the People to be forced to help others in any way. Especially not via the Government.

Unfortunately we’ve taken to intentionally misreading the founding documents. The ones that Mr Lincoln and FDRhaven’t already destroyed.

The moment that it becomes less profitable to ME to work or add value to Society is the moment I check out of Society. Currently, about 35% of my paycheck is collected by the Government, or spenton things the Government FORCES me to purchase (health insurance). Once thst number hits 51%, I QUIT. Considering the incoming White House occupant, I bet that will be relatively soon.

YOu leave me wondering what point you're trying to make. But I gather that you're prepared to walk away and turn your back on America's strife and near revolution. I can only say that if you have the resources to do that then that could be a good solution for you.
I can't find anything else that's specific enough to require my comments.?

 

[Anathema]

How was that free market capitalism in keeping people out of poverty before social programs took over? IE Social Security.

It is not, and never has been, the proper role of the American Government to keep people out of poverty. That’s on the heads of the individuals to keep themselves out of poverty.

 

[Donald H]

so youre a rich guy telling the less fortunate how they should live their lives so they stay poor,,, figures,,

Obtaining a million bucks isn't being a rich guy. The first million is in acreage and a moderate size house of less that 2500 sq. feet.
And the other 750,000 give or take is just a common Canadian's savings for a rainy day.
I would prefer to not give out more information about myself, it's not the topic.
But you definitely tie it in to Canada's 'quality of life' which is the best in the world. America has the wealth that could easily make it the world's leader. But it's 15th!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Instead of ordering people around like you do so continually, have you considered just posting like a normal person?

I'm simply saying that a long string of quotes leads to a situation for me in which it becomes confusing on who is saying what? I don't consider this to be ordering people around. They, and you, can comply with my request or not, whatever pleases you.

If you have anything else to say that is on-topic, I'll reply in the same spirit to which you have chosen.
Your anger is yours, not mine, and so you may want to keep that in mind.

So, a Canadian with an undeniable air of superiority starts off a thread dissing our country, tells us how we should be doing things, reacts to reason by calling us names like "racist" , orders us about as if we were his servants and says that HE is the one who makes the rules.

What part of that ISN'T designed to anger people?

 

[progressive hunter]

so youre a rich guy telling the less fortunate how they should live their lives so they stay poor,,, figures,,

Obtaining a million bucks isn't being a rich guy. The first million is in acreage and a moderate size house of less that 2500 sq. feet.
And the other 750,000 give or take is just a common Canadian's savings for a rainy day.
I would prefer to not give out more information about myself, it's not the topic.
But you definitely tie it in to Canada's 'quality of life' which is the best in the world. America has the wealth that could easily make it the world's leader. But it's 15th!

I sure would like to see that poll and the questions asked and the people that answered them that put us at 15th,,,
my bet is few if any had ever been to america let alone grew up here,,

 

[Donald H]

How was that free market capitalism in keeping people out of poverty before social programs took over? IE Social Security.

It is not, and never has been, the proper role of the American Government to keep people out of poverty. That’s on the heads of the individuals to keep themselves out of poverty.

Maybe ideally and in a perfect world, you would be right and your style of capitalism would have worked.

But it hasn't worked well enough to prevent the poverty of working class Americans, and thus has ended in strife and near revolution. Close to the point at whcih you will have to turn your back on it?

If that's your way out of the problem then you contribute nothing to those who can't just cop out!

 

[Anathema]

You leave me wondering what point you're trying to make. But I gather that you're prepared to walk away and turn your back on America's strife and near revolution. I can only say that if you have the resources to do that then that could be a good solution for you.
I can't find anything else that's specific enough to require my comments.?

I am prepared to quit my job and become one of the TAKERS. Over the last nine years I’ve learned from my wife’s family how easy it is to be a Taker. In fact there’s only one Earner in her family (her mother). The rest are Takers, and always have been. I grew up in a family of Earners. I’ve been an Earner my entire life, even though I have several options to become a Taker. I was taught that wasn’t a proper way to live. That it was immoral and inappropriate.

I’ve watched the Takers utilize the Government to strip me of large portions of my earnings from every paycheck. I’ve watched being a Taker become socially and morally acceptable in Socity while being an Earner is equated to being a sucker. It’s reaching a point where I’m no longer willing to be a sucker.

Between whst my wife could start collecting again and what I could probably get with 100% disability, we’d likely be at or above our current income level and have a lower tax burden.

 

[Donald H]

So, a Canadian with an undeniable air of superiority starts off a thread dissing our country, tells us how we should be doing things, reacts to reason by calling us names like "racist" , orders us about as if we were his servants and says that HE is the one who makes the rules.

What part of that ISN'T designed to anger people?

It's meant to bring out the facts and any rational rebuttals are always welcome. If you have no rebuttal then you should understand that your anger is a poor substitute.
Best to just ignore me.

Superiority? Not really possible for any Canadian in the larger scheme of things! America is the richest country in the world, with the ability to lead the world in any specified category. If America isn't then it's only a matter of making the necessary adjustments.

If America doesn't make those adjustments then ............................

I have some suggestions on what adjustments are required.

 

[Anathema]

Maybe ideally and in a perfect world, you would be right and your style of capitalism would have worked.

But it hasn't worked well enough to prevent the poverty of working class Americans, and thus has ended in strife and near revolution. Close to the point at whcih you will have to turn your back on it?

It’s not designed to prevent people from being poor. In fact it’s intended to do the exact opposite.

 

[progressive hunter]

So, a Canadian with an undeniable air of superiority starts off a thread dissing our country, tells us how we should be doing things, reacts to reason by calling us names like "racist" , orders us about as if we were his servants and says that HE is the one who makes the rules.

What part of that ISN'T designed to anger people?

It's meant to bring out the facts and any rational rebuttals are always welcome. If you have no rebuttal then you should understand that your anger is a poor substitute.
Best to just ignore me.

Superiority? Not really possible for any Canadian in the larger scheme of things! America is the richest country in the world, with the ability to lead the world in any specified category. If America isn't then it's only a matter of making the necessary adjustments.

If America doesn't make those adjustments then ............................

I have some suggestions on what adjustments are required.

how do you explain america being the #1 destination for oppressed people??

 

[Dogmaphobe]

So, a Canadian with an undeniable air of superiority starts off a thread dissing our country, tells us how we should be doing things, reacts to reason by calling us names like "racist" , orders us about as if we were his servants and says that HE is the one who makes the rules.

What part of that ISN'T designed to anger people?

It's meant to bring out the facts and any rational rebuttals are always welcome. If you have no rebuttal then you should understand that your anger is a poor substitute.
Best to just ignore me.

Superiority? Not really possible for any Canadian in the larger scheme of things! America is the richest country in the world, with the ability to lead the world in any specified category. If America isn't then it's only a matter of making the necessary adjustments.

If America doesn't make those adjustments then ............................

I have some suggestions on what adjustments are required.

I DO have some suggestions for you but this is the clean debate forum (which you turned dirty with your very first response to me).

 

[Donald H]

I am prepared to quit my job and become one of the TAKERS. Over the last nine years I’ve learned from my wife’s family how easy it is to be a Taker. In fact there’s only one Earner in her family (her mother). The rest are Takers, and always have been. I grew up in a family of Earners. I’ve been an Earner my entire life, even though I have several options to become a Taker. I was taught that wasn’t a proper way to live. That it was immoral and inappropriate.

Thank you. I agree with the immoral and inappropriate' but need to just add that it can become out of necessity in which a good social safety net is required in all democracies that practice capitalism.

I’ve watched the Takers utilize the Government to strip me of large portions of my earnings from every paycheck. I’ve watched being a Taker become socially and morally acceptable in Socity while being an Earner is equated to being a sucker. It’s reaching a point where I’m no longer willing to be a sucker.

I understand completely. IN some ways our countries are alike. But I"ve pointed out hundreds of times now that the social safety net is the responsibility of the big corporate takers too.

Between whst my wife could start collecting again and what I could probably get with 100% disability, we’d likely be at or above our current income level and have a lower tax burden.

It's a waste of my time to dwell on the idea of walking away from it all. Very few Americans have the ability to do that.
If you choose to stick it out, we have lots to talk about.

 

[Donald H]

I DO have some suggestions for you but this is the clean debate forum (which you turned dirty with your very first response to me).

If you make enough accusations then you will eventually succeed in having this thread moved out of the CDZ by mommy. That's a price I've learned that I have to pay for dealing in the hard cold truth.

 

[Donald H]

how do you explain america being the #1 destination for oppressed people??

If it's actually true then it's explainable with some simple logic.
America is a very wealthy country that has the ability and indeed the need for more immigrants to grow the population and thusly, the economy. Big business and big corporations demand it! And even moreso when minimum becomes 15 bucks!

Canada accepts immigrants for the same reasons and in fact accepts more than does America, if based on per capita. (that may not be the only valid consideration) (you could suggest some other)

America is very attractive to people from warmer climates because overall America is a warmer climate than Canada.

There are other considerations that negate that climate advantage and make Canada the most preferred country, but that's a different topic. A new thread perhaps?

 

[progressive hunter]

So, a Canadian with an undeniable air of superiority starts off a thread dissing our country, tells us how we should be doing things, reacts to reason by calling us names like "racist" , orders us about as if we were his servants and says that HE is the one who makes the rules.

What part of that ISN'T designed to anger people?

It's meant to bring out the facts and any rational rebuttals are always welcome. If you have no rebuttal then you should understand that your anger is a poor substitute.
Best to just ignore me.

Superiority? Not really possible for any Canadian in the larger scheme of things! America is the richest country in the world, with the ability to lead the world in any specified category. If America isn't then it's only a matter of making the necessary adjustments.

If America doesn't make those adjustments then ............................

I have some suggestions on what adjustments are required.

how do you explain america being the #1 destination for oppressed people??

If it's actually true then it's explainable with some simple logic.
America is a very wealthy country that has the ability and indeed the need for more immigrants to grow the population and thusly, the economy.

Canada accepts immigrants for the same reasons and in fact accepts more than does America, if based on per capita. (that may not be the only valid consideration) (you could suggest some other)

America is very attractive to people from warmer climates because overall America is a warmer climate than Canada.

There are other considerations that negate that climate advantage and make Canada the most preferred country, but that's a different topic. A new thread perhaps?

you completely dodged my comment,,

 

[Donald H]

Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News

For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.

dailyhive.com

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This is not a poll and it's not invented by Canadians. It's of America's own doing and anyone who takes the time to look at it will find that to be true.

They will also learn of what parameters have been used to judge 'quality of life' in the top 20 countries.

 

[Donald H]

you completely dodged my comment,,

I dodge no comments purposely. If I've dodged any comment it would likely be because some people persist with not deleting the long strings of quotes by others. I almost always demonstrate how that is done. It's on you if you want replies.