Popular vote to determine president may be law by 2031

[Billiejeens]

It will easily win over the Roberts Court.

Zero chance.

As in none.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why?

Well, some arguments:

1) it was designed to protect slave states. Slavery no longer exists

2) it was also designed to keep freaks like Trump out of office. Clearly it is also obsolete, in that respect.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Forum rules state you must provide a link to support statements made as fact. Provide a link to the info you provided.

Thought I had, but this will work: National Popular Vote

 

[jacksonlamb]

Zero chance.

As in none.

^ That is an example why you are not listened to.

 

[jacksonlamb]

The Federal Reserve Act, the 16th amendment, the 17th amendment, and a buildup through the decades reached a crescendo when the fiat currency lost control the 19th amendment caused all of this.

The constitution is an organic document that evolves.

That will not change.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Well, some arguments:

1) it was designed to protect slave states. Slavery no longer exists

Correct, slavery no longer exists, so there isn't unfair representation from former slave states due to gaining extra votes based on a 3/5 formula of a non-voting populace. Everyone is counted equally now for apportionment.

2) it was also designed to keep freaks like Trump out of office. Clearly it is also obsolete, in that respect.

I don't see how that was ever the case. We've had several bad presidents over the years.

I don't find it obsolete at all. It allows the smaller states to have greater skin in the game. If we went to a popular vote then all that would matter to the candidates would be to run up the highest vote total they can in the urban areas while ignoring places like Iowa or my state of Nevada, that get a lot of time and attention under our current system.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Actually there are 50 popular vote contests and Trump won the most.

He won a popularity not a majority of the votes.

 

[jacksonlamb]

See, AI can be wrong, and, in this case, is wrong

AI Overview

Abolishing the Electoral College (EC) requires a constitutional amendment, passing with two-thirds support in both houses of Congress and ratification by three-fourths of states (38 states). An alternative pathway is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC), a binding state-level agreement to award electoral votes to the national popular vote winner, which takes effect when states with 270 electoral votes join.

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[Robert W]

that will guarantee future presidents will be from either NY or California.

Sounds like this is a Muslim plot. BTW, this is losing bigly on this forum.

 

[Kruska]

The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College......

Why would a person that is familiar with politics want to vote for a single person aka a Presidential candidate?

A voter places his decision onto a party that "supposedly" beholds an overall political program to a voter's liking/expectation.
No matter who the Presidential candidate is - he is only effective if the own party supports him, and might even garner support from the representatives of the opposition.

 

[norwegen]

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The EC is an anachronism designed to convince small population states to ratify the Constitution at the time of the Founding. No other election on any level in the US or the world is conducted the way we conduct our presidential election. It's past time for it to go. You like it because it is rigged in favor of R's.

It is not an anachronism. Learn some vocabulary.

And an Electoral College is not nearly as tired and outdated as popular will is.

 

[alang1216]

Actually there are 50 popular vote contests and Trump won the most.

True enough. Of course the voters in Wyoming are far more popular than voters in California. And that is also true for the Senate.

 

[alang1216]

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It is not an anachronism. Learn some vocabulary.

And an Electoral College is not nearly as tired and outdated as popular will is.

No, it is outdated. It was from a time when most people lived in rural areas, now most live in cities so we often end up with minority presidents.

 

[norwegen]

No, it is outdated. It was from a time when most people lived in rural areas, now most live in cities so we often end up with minority presidents.

Irrelevant. An EC works regardless of demographics.

You're a bit condescending to rural folks, aren't you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.

/——/ The US Constitution usurps state law every day of the year and twice on Sundays.

 

[jacksonlamb]

It is not an anachronism. Learn some vocabulary.

And an Electoral College is not nearly as tired and outdated as popular will is.

Nonsense.

 

[jacksonlamb]

/——/ The US Constitution usurps state law every day of the year and twice on Sundays.

Congress won't interfere.

 

[norwegen]

Nonsense.

Useless reply.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Useless reply.

appropriate response to a useless post

 

[Auld Phart]

Nonsense.

so are your arguments