Zone1 POLL: "Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from? Zone1

[ChristisKing]

They a morality, just not one I share. The Nazis had a morality too.

I take it that you don't know what morality means do you?

 

[Chuz Life]

When male lions take over a pride they kill all the cubs so they can father their own. That is nature.

Ok.

Do the cubs do anything at all to try to survive or defend themselves?

You seem to see this example of rights not existing at all.

I see it as an example of how easily rights can be ignored, deprived, and violated without adequate recognition and protection. Especially in the animal world.

 

[Orangecat]

When it really comes down to it, my rights come from my ability to prevent others from violating them.

 

[Chuz Life]

When it really comes down to it, my rights come from my ability to prevent others from violating them.

Interesting.

So, every man for themself?

If someone does something to you, by overcoming your ability to defend yourself. . . does that mean their rights were greater/ stronger than yours?

 

[Orangecat]

Interesting.
So, every man for themself?

We form alliances with others who share our views. However, when you’re alone in a dark Portland alley, surrounded by Marxists in black, the only one who can protect your rights is you.

If someone does something to you, by overcoming your ability to defend yourself. . . does that mean their rights were greater/ stronger than yours?

It just means I wasn’t powerful enough to prevent them from violating the rights I believe I have.

 

[Chuz Life]

We form alliances with others who share our views. However, when you’re alone in a dark Portland alley, surrounded by Marxists in black, the only one who can protect your rights is you.

I don't disagree on the defense aspect of rights. (I've posted about self-defense several times in this thread already)

That said, let's go back to the OP and what you just said. "the only one who can protect your rights is you."

Where do those rights, those you just referred to, come from?

 

[Eman623]

My rights come from the Great Pumpkin. Otherwise known as God or Creator.

How you perceive your creator/endower of inalienable rights is not my concern.

 

[Orangecat]

Where do those rights you just referred to come from?

I believe they are a product of my own self-awareness, greatly influenced by the environment I was raised in.

 

[Chuz Life]

It's very interesting in this thread that nobody here wants to go on record as believing that basic human rights are given to people or granted to us by the government.

 

[Chuz Life]

I believe they are a product of my own self-awareness, greatly influenced by the environment I was raised in.

Again, interesting.

So, using that logic.

Someone in a coma.

Would they have any basic human rights?

 

[ChristisKing]

It's very interesting in this thread that nobody here wants to go on record as believing that basic human rights are given to people or granted to us by the government.

I find it more interesting that nobody seems to be able to define morality. My phone is getting all wet with all this liberal sweat.

Again, interesting.

So, using that logic.

Someone in a coma.

Would they have any basic human rights?

Interesting point, what rights are you talking about here? Life?

 

[Eman623]

I still haven't found a single person who can tell me where morals come from if not from the Bible. Other than they come out of nowhere.

Morality come from within. This is true for everyone, even non-religious people.

 

[Chuz Life]

I find it more interesting that nobody seems to be able to define morality. My phone is getting all wet with all this liberal sweat.

I loathe debates and discussions on "morality, religion, etc."

Though I agree those aspects are hard to completely ignore when debating "rights."

I can separate and debate them without muddying the two. Obviously, some either can't or won't do the same.

Interesting point, what rights are you talking about here? Life?

That would be the most likely one.

Right?

 

[sparky]

In America, our government recognizes God (Creator) as the arbiter of morality.

iirc, 'one nation under God' was introduced in the mid 50's......

It's very interesting in this thread that nobody here wants to go on record as believing that basic human rights are given to people or granted to us by the government.

because then we'd need to trust them Chuz.......

~S~

 

[Chuz Life]

I find it more interesting that nobody seems to be able to define morality. My phone is getting all wet with all this liberal sweat.

You start so many threads on everything else. Why don't you start one for that?

This thread is for where basic human "rights" come from.

 

[Orangecat]

So, using that logic.
Someone in a coma.
Would they have any basic human rights?

Only those agreed upon by a group of like-minded individuals willing to protect them.

 

[alang1216]

Ok.

Do the cubs do anything at all to try to survive or defend themselves?

You seem to see this example of rights not existing at all.

I see it as an example of how easily rights can be ignored, deprived, and violated without adequate recognition and protection. Especially in the animal world.

We are all born with a survival instinct. We fear heights, spiders, etc. Is that the same as a 'right'? I don't think so.

 

[Chuz Life]

iirc, 'one nation under God' was introduced in the mid 50's......

because then we'd need to trust them Chuz.......

~S~

Right, but if that's where they believe their rights come from (the government), that's what they should indicate in the poll.

There is a weird reason why none have.

I'm curious about what that reason is.

 

[Chuz Life]

Only those agreed upon by a group of like-minded individuals willing to protect them.

So, we only have the rights that a majority agrees with and believes we have?

I'm asking for my friend, Dred Scott.

 

[Orangecat]

So, we only have the rights that a majority agrees with and believes we have?

Not really. I believe we only truly have the rights that we as individuals have the ability to protect. We can group together to help the weaker elements of the alliance, but, in the end, it’s our personal ability to defend our perceived rights that matters most. Do you disagree? Where do your rights come from? If you don’t have the personal power to defend them, does it even matter if you think you have them?