Zone1 Pray for the Iranian people, many comparisons right now to the Book of Esther.

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So what. A euphemism is a well known literary device, a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing.

So what? So you are making stuff up. You are perverting truth.

 

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Thats right. He said it clearly and directly. Elijah has already come....

Matthew 17:13

“Then the disciples UNDERSTOOD that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist.”

Jesus did not imply that John the Baptist was a literal reincarnation of the prophet Elijah. Instead, Jesus taught that John was the fulfillment of prophecy, coming "in the spirit and power of Elijah" to prepare the way for the Messiah. Jesus identified John as the "Elijah who is to come" mentioned in Malachi 3:1 & 4:5, but meant this functionally rather than physically. Luke 1:17 clarifies that John would act with the same spiritual power and prophetic ministry as Elijah. Elijah did not die but was taken to heaven, which contradicts the concept of reincarnation requiring a previous death. Later, Elijah appeared in his own identity alongside Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-8), proving he was not inhabiting John's body. John the Baptist himself stated he was not Elijah (John 1:21). Therefore, Christian theology interprets Jesus’ statement in Matthew 11:14 to mean a return of the prophetic role, not the person.

 

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So what? So you are making stuff up. You are perverting truth.

Really? being "taken up" into heaven is not a euphemism for Elijah being killed? So you believe he left this world without dying? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Fascinating! professor, lol

Pssst! Let me inform you about an unpleasant truth Virginia. No one here ever got out alive.

 

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Really? being "taken up" into heaven is not a euphemism for Elijah being killed? So you believe he left this world without dying? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Fascinating! professor, lol

Pssst! Let me inform you about an unpleasant truth Virginia. No one here ever got out alive.

Elijah did not die but was taken to heaven, which contradicts the concept of reincarnation requiring a previous death. Later, Elijah appeared in his own identity alongside Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-8), proving he was not inhabiting John's body. John the Baptist himself stated he was not Elijah (John 1:21). Therefore, Christian theology interprets Jesus’ statement in Matthew 11:14 to mean a return of the prophetic role, not the person.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus existed ~2000 years before I was born. I didn't let him do anything.

Right, but your belief that Jesus died as "a perfect human sacrifice" to pay the penalty for YOUR SINS defiles your soul. The fact that you would allow the suffering and death of someone you profess to love so much so you won't have to pay the penalty for your sins, even hypothetically, reveals that you are a despicable coward oblivious that your belief is sinful in and of itself and so you have your reward already. Jesus dying didn't pay the penalty for your sins, you are paying the price, death, a curse, every single day and night.

FOR YOUR OWN SINS.

 

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Right, but your belief that Jesus died as "a perfect human sacrifice" to pay the penalty for YOUR SINS defiles your soul and the fact that you would allow the suffering and death of someone you profess to love so much so you won't have to pay the penalty for your sins, even hypothetically, reveals that you are a despicable coward who is oblivious that your belief is sinful in and of itself and so you have your reward already. Jesus dying didn't pay the penalty for your sins, you are paying the price, death, a curse, every single day and night.

The central difference is that Jesus is understood to have chosen his death willingly out of love, whereas your logical fallacy straw man involves an innocent victim forced to pay. Jesus is not a "mere man" but as God incarnate, giving his sacrifice an "infinite worth" that covers all sins. it was a divine act of mercy, allowing God to satisfy justice while offering salvation. You can't compare divine justice to a human legal system especially since your premise is flawed because Jesus wasn't forced to pay.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus making the personal sacrifice to demonstrate the only right way to comply with the Law that leads to eternal life knowing, probably since childhood, that he would be killed for doing so does in no way save you from your own sins unless you eat his flesh, accept his teaching that he received from God, and follow his example, drink his blood, by doing it.

So you can take that I love Jesus because he paid for my sins BS and ram it up your snout.

 

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Jesus making the personal sacrifice to demonstrate the only right way to comply with the Law that leads to eternal life knowing, probably since childhood, that he would be killed for doing so does in no way save you from your own sins unless you eat his flesh, accept his teaching that he received from God, and follow his example, drink his blood, by doing it.

So you can take that I love Jesus because he paid for my sins BS and ram it up your snout.

Jesus taught the messiah wouldn't be a king who conquered nations. Jesus taught the messiah would be a suffering servant that conquered death. Jesus taught that true righteousness is about a transformed heart, love for God, and love for neighbors, rather than merely keeping external rules. He fulfilled the law by focusing on intent over action—teaching that inner attitudes like hatred or lust are as sinful as actions, while emphasizing mercy over rigid legalism. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus declared that inner thoughts (hatred, lust) are equivalent to acts (murder, adultery) in God's eyes. He pushed beyond mere conformity to a list of rules to demand true righteousness. Jesus defied religious leaders by healing on the Sabbath and allowing his disciples to pick grain on the Sabbath, declaring that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Jesus summarized all laws as loving God wholeheartedly and loving one's neighbor as oneself. He argued that following these two principles is the essence of true obedience. He frequently broke with the traditions of the Pharisees, such as ceremonial hand-washing, arguing that what truly defiles a person comes from the heart, not from unwashed hands. Jesus taught that followers should keep his commands out of love for him, rather than keeping rules to gain merit or out of a sense of legal obligation.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus summarized all laws as loving God wholeheartedly and loving one's neighbor as oneself.

Right, because IF you loved God with all your heart soul and mind and your neighbor as yourself you would never practice idolatry or lie your ass off in the name of Jesus or God (especially because you never heard a single peep from them for your whole life) much less mislead anyone into practicing idolatry as a way to avoid the penalty for practicing idolatry.

Schnook.

 

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Right, because IF you loved God with all your heart soul and mind and your neighbor as yourself you would never practice idolatry or lie your ass off in the name of Jesus or God (especially because you never heard a single peep from them for your whole life) much less mislead anyone into practicing idolatry as a way to avoid the penalty for practicing idolatry.

Schnook.

Jesus taught the messiah wouldn't be a king who conquered nations. Jesus taught the messiah would be a suffering servant that conquered death. Jesus taught that true righteousness is about a transformed heart, love for God, and love for neighbors, rather than merely keeping external rules. He fulfilled the law by focusing on intent over action—teaching that inner attitudes like hatred or lust are as sinful as actions, while emphasizing mercy over rigid legalism. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus declared that inner thoughts (hatred, lust) are equivalent to acts (murder, adultery) in God's eyes. He pushed beyond mere conformity to a list of rules to demand true righteousness. Jesus defied religious leaders by healing on the Sabbath and allowing his disciples to pick grain on the Sabbath, declaring that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Jesus summarized all laws as loving God wholeheartedly and loving one's neighbor as oneself. He argued that following these two principles is the essence of true obedience. He frequently broke with the traditions of the Pharisees, such as ceremonial hand-washing, arguing that what truly defiles a person comes from the heart, not from unwashed hands. Jesus taught that followers should keep his commands out of love for him, rather than keeping rules to gain merit or out of a sense of legal obligation.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus taught the messiah wouldn't be a king who conquered nations. Jesus taught the messiah would be a suffering servant that conquered death

No, As Jesus said to Pilate, "King is your word. My task is to bear witness to the truth." demonstrating that the title Messiah was about being a teacher not a king which begs the question why so many professed family values white Christian conservative republican patriotic believers, pft, support trump as if this unclean demented megalomanic was a king and feel it is a religious duty to rule the world and punish unbelievers, for Jesus of course.

A brood of fascist vipers, all of them. And you are just a filthy rat being swallowed whole.

 

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No, As Jesus said to Pilate, "King is your word. My task is to bear witness to the truth." demonstrating that the title Messiah was about being a teacher not a king which begs the question why so many professed family values white Christian conservative republican patriotic believers, pft, support trump as if this unclean demented megalomanic was a king and feel it is a religious duty to rule the world and punish unbelievers, for Jesus of course.

A brood of fascist vipers, all of them. And you are just a filthy rat being swallowed whole.

Jesus answered, “My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom did belong to this world, my attendants [would] be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not here.”


The Trial before Pilate.
Then they brought Jesus from Caiaphas to the praetorium. It was morning. And they themselves did not enter the praetorium, in order not to be defiled so that they could eat the Passover. So Pilate came out to them and said, “What charge do you bring [against] this man?” They answered and said to him, “If he were not a criminal, we would not have handed him over to you.” At this, Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law.” The Jews answered him, “We do not have the right to execute anyone,” in order that the word of Jesus might be fulfilled that he said indicating the kind of death he would die. So Pilate went back into the praetorium and summoned Jesus and said to him, “Are you the King of the Jews?” Jesus answered, “Do you say this on your own or have others told you about me?” Pilate answered, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests handed you over to me. What have you done?” Jesus answered, “My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom did belong to this world, my attendants [would] be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not here.” So Pilate said to him, “Then you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say I am a king. For this I was born and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.” Pilate said to him, “What is truth?”

 

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...which begs the question why so many professed family values white Christian conservative republican patriotic believers, pft, support trump as if this unclean demented megalomanic was a king and feel it is a religious duty to rule the world and punish unbelievers, for Jesus of course.

A brood of fascist vipers, all of them. And you are just a filthy rat being swallowed whole.

So much anger.

 

[hobelim]

So much anger.

Don't be silly.

It gives me great joy, pure ecstasy, living a fulfilled life by complying with the command of Jesus to alert my neighbors all over the world to the cause of their demise, and the cure. Whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Agnostic, Atheist or none of the above.

 

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Don't be silly.

It gives me great joy, pure ecstasy, living a fulfilled life by complying with the command of Jesus to alert my neighbors all over the world to the cause of their demise, and the cure. Whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Agnostic, Atheist or none of the above.

I'm not. I'm being observant. Hatred is consuming you.

 

[hobelim]

I'm not. I'm being observant. Hatred is consuming you.

I hate to disappoint you but, no. I have been waiting for this exact moment for my entire life.

But its alright now, in fact its a gas.

 

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I hate to disappoint you but, no. I have been waiting for this exact moment for my entire life.

You posts say otherwise.

 

[hobelim]

You posts say otherwise.

What you see is what you get.

 

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What you see is what you get.

What I see is your deception to lead others away from Christ and your hatred of Christians. As near as I can tell, your god is Satan.

 

[hobelim]

What I see is your deception to lead others away from Christ and your hatred of Christians. As near as I can tell, your god is Satan.

Goodie for you! Others may not be so willing to stampede over a cliff with a herd of swine.