Zone1 POLL: "Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from? Zone1

[ChristisKing]

That remains to be seen.

Well doesn't our government make laws based upon the ten commandments?

 

[Leo123]

That guy is an idiot however he does make a good point. If God put government in charge, then why is it always different depending on what country you're in?

In America, our government recognizes God (Creator) as the arbiter of morality. That is not always so with other governments, especially Marxist ones. 'That guy' is clueless and makes no 'good point' whatsoever. The 2nd amendment is part of our Constitution which cites God (Creator) as the final power in granting rights. The 'guy' is a shallow thinker.

 

[ChristisKing]

In America, our government recognizes God as the arbiter of morality. That is not always so with other governments, especially Marxist ones. 'That guy' is clueless and makes no 'good point' whatsoever. The 2nd amendment is part of our Constitution which cites God as the final power in granting rights. The 'guy' is a shallow thinker.

That's what TemplarKormac said and it makes sense but I also wanted to know if morality doesn't come from God then where does it come from? For instance it's against the law to murder and steal but why? Rhetorical question here.

 

[alang1216]

I'm guessing so as that's what the Bible says. Romans 13:1.

Sad he doesn't expect other regimes to respect human rights too.

 

[ChristisKing]

Sad he doesn't expect other regimes to respect human rights too.

Sounds like the government is the one who doesn't care, but I just started a similar topic about this in clean debate that I'm curious with your thoughts about when it comes to morality.

Zone1 Thread 'If Morality Doesn't Come From God Then Where Does It Come From?'

Oct 7, 2025

This question came up in another topic and I wanted to turn it into a debate because I'm curious what people have to say about this. This question is for atheists and agnostics. How do we know what's right and wrong without the Bible? How does the government decide what's right and wrong without the Bible? Where does morality come from without the Bible?

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[alang1216]

The subject is human rights.

and where do they come from...

 

[Leo123]

and where do they come from...

I already told you.

 

[alang1216]

I already told you.

You told me, you didn't convince me.

 

[dblack]

"Human" rights is a pretty fuzzy term and is often abused to justify violating more rights than it protects.

Inalienable rights, however, are simply by-products of volition. It all stems from the ability of a human to think, and act, for themselves. Whether the government protects those rights, or not, depends on the Constitution and the laws we implement. But the capacity to think and act freely is an inherent human trait.

In my view, the Bill of Rights could have been, should have been, replaced with something more general - "Congress shall pass no law limiting a person's freedom (to think and act on their own volition) unless that person is violating the same rights of others".

Is speaking or publishing unpopular ideas violating the rights of others? -> First Amendment
Is practicing an unpopular religion violating the rights of others -> First Amendment
Is owning a gun violating the rights of others? -> Second Amendment
... etc, etc...

 

[Leo123]

You told me, you didn't convince me.

I'm not out to convince you or anyone else but, tell me, from where do your morals come from?

 

[BreezeWood]

I'm not out to convince you or anyone else but, tell me, from where do your morals come from?

certainly not from false commandments ...

those are the people who have none. the desert dwellers.

 

[alang1216]

I'm not out to convince you or anyone else but, tell me, from where do your morals come from?

Family, friends, the culture all around me. In that order.

 

[Leo123]

"Human" rights is a pretty fuzzy term and is often abused to justify violating more rights than it protects.

Inalienable rights, however, are simply by-products of volition. It all stems from the ability of a human to think, and act, for themselves. Whether the government protects those rights, or not, depends on the Constitution and the laws we implement. But the capacity to think and act freely is an inherent human trait.

In my view, the Bill of Rights could have been, should have been, replaced with something more general - "Congress shall pass no law limiting a person's freedom (to think and act on their own volition) unless that person is violating the same rights of others".

Is speaking or publishing unpopular ideas violating the rights of others? -> First Amendment
Is practicing an unpopular religion violating the rights of others -> First Amendment
Is owning a gun violating the rights of others? -> Second Amendment
... etc, etc...

Define 'unpopular' ideas. Promoting the idea that a POTUS is akin to a fascist may be seen as treading on the rights of others who duly elected that POTUS. If religious rights mandate harming others, that is a violation. Owning a gun does not violate anyone's rights, unless it is used to harm others.

 

[Leo123]

Family, friends, the culture all around me. In that order.

Where does your family, and culture all around you get their rights from?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Anyways, obviously my answer is our rights come from God.

So God wrote Hammurabi's Code?

 

[alang1216]

Where does your family, and culture all around you get their morals from?

Same place that chimps get theirs, our ancestors. Every human society has had a moral code since the time of the first humans.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Well doesn't our government make laws based upon the ten commandments?

A few of them, but not all.

 

[ChristisKing]

Same place that chimps get theirs, our ancestors. Every human society has had a moral code since the time of the first humans.

Chimps have a moral code?

 

[Chuz Life]

If that tree is where I want to build a house, our rights now conflict.

100%

Every animal must kill to live, that is the world we live in.

Also 100%

What conclusion are you expecting me to draw from that?

 

[Leo123]

Same place that chimps get theirs, our ancestors. Every human society has had a moral code since the time of the first humans.

‘Famous’ chimpanzee kills baby after ripping it from mother’s arms​

'Famous' chimpanzee kills baby after ripping it from mother's arms ​

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Murder 'comes naturally' to chimpanzees​

Murder 'comes naturally' to chimpanzees

A major international study finds that killings among chimpanzees result from normal competition, not human interference.

www.bbc.com

YOU can live by chimpanzee morality, not for me though.

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