Zone1 POLL: "Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from? Zone1

Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from?

  • My Basic Human Rights come from God. (Evidence or proof of God requested)

  • The Government. (Nobody has basic human rights unless and until the Govt. grants them)

  • Naturally Inherent. (My BHRs are inherent in the fact my life belongs to me and I will defend them)

  • Other. (Explain in Comments)


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It's funny how SOME obfuscate when it comes to where morals and rights come from. They seem lost or hardened atheists.


I'm not one known for advocating for killing trees but how the heck are they supposed to have rights? 🤔
 
Chimps have a moral code?

One more time:
  • Chimps and animals CANNOT have any MORAL code because any moral code is a sentient code ordained down to you by a higher authority.
  • You cannot have a God if you cannot accept or believe in having a higher authority.
  • Chimps and other animals can then only have ETHICAL CODES relative to themselves, usually individual to each or set up by group peer reinforcement. Thus, an ETHICAL code is one created by man for man, or by animal for animal.
Thus, it is possible for a mugger, rapist, robber or even serial murderer to have a code of ethics, they just might be very bad, self-serving ethics. For instance, a mobster might still rob and loot stores against the 8th Commandment, but because of his ethics, he refuses to rob and loot stores on the East Side where a competitor friend holds territory.

Always remember that while morality is based on an absolute good, ethics can be relative to anything, good or bad, but is usually self-serving.
 
The Japs still had those rights. Someone can prevent you from excising your rights, but that does not mean you still don't have those rights.
As is evidenced by them winning on their calls for reparations.

 
One more time:
  • Chimps and animals CANNOT have any MORAL code because any moral code is a sentient code ordained down to you by a higher authority.
  • You cannot have a God if you cannot accept or believe in having a higher authority.
  • Chimps and other animals can then only have ETHICAL CODES relative to themselves, usually individual to each or set up by group peer reinforcement. Thus, an ETHICAL code is one created by man for man, or by animal for animal.
Thus, it is possible for a mugger, rapist, robber or even serial murderer to have a code of ethics, they just might be very bad, self-serving ethics. For instance, a mobster might still rob and loot stores against the 8th Commandment, but because of his ethics, he refuses to rob and loot stores on the East Side where a competitor friend holds territory.

Always remember that while morality is based on an absolute good, ethics can be relative to anything, good or bad, but is usually self-serving.


I know, but my point was anybody who knows anything about chimpanzees know that they're anything but moral.
 
Does a government have the right to kill someone for committing a crime? If so, it seems our rights come from the government.
Yet, you voted "other" in the poll.
 
I'm not one known for advocating for killing trees but how the heck are they supposed to have rights? 🤔

I almost said that a tree cannot have rights because rights either come from God or through government, of which trees have neither.

But then I changed my mind--- a tree has rights--- what rights? Whatever rights nature would have intended: the right to sunlight, the right to water, nutrients, and the space to grow.

It then becomes a roll of the dice whether nature and random chance grants all that.
 
That guy is an idiot however he does make a good point. If God put government in charge, then why is it always different depending on what country you're in? 🤨
Assuming there is a "God" and he/ she did anything of the sort.
 
I almost said that a tree cannot have rights because rights either come from God or through government, of which trees have neither.

But then I changed my mind--- a tree has rights--- what rights? Whatever rights nature would have intended: the right to sunlight, the right to water, nutrients, and the space to grow.

It then becomes a roll of the dice whether nature and random chance grants all that.


Yes but there's animal cruelty laws but not tree/plant cruelty laws.
 
Assuming there is a "God" and he/ she did anything of the sort.


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I chose #1 - my inalienable rights were endowed on me by my creator (which is not the same as God.)

No evidence of this is needed or will be forthcoming as I hold this truth to be self-evident. It's axiomatic.
My rights come from the Great Pumpkin. Otherwise known as God or Creator.
 
Sad he doesn't expect other regimes to respect human rights too.
So, we start with an allegation that a "God" (that may or not exist in reality) did some things (but probably didn't) and then we assail that "God" with appeals to ridicule for the inconsistencies that we (mere humans) might perceive.

This is like watching a bunch of monkeys trying to unfuck a football.
 
I know, but my point was anybody who knows anything about chimpanzees know that they're anything but moral.

You mean well-behaved? I would not trust a chimp anywhere near me unless it was very young. Besides being dirty and disgusting, the adults can turn on you and kill you in a second.
 
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I didn't vote in the poll because I can't stand when people post polls and don't let you see what others think until you vote. I never participate in those kinds of polls.


Anyway. A good snip from a great book on the topic...


A Principle of the Traditional American Philosophy...


1. The Spiritual is Supreme

". . . all men are created . . . endowed by their Creator . .." (Declaration of Independence)


The Principle

1. The fundamental principle underlying the traditionalAmerican philosophy is that the Spiritual is supreme--that Manis of Divine origin and his spiritual, or religious, nature is ofsupreme value and importance compared with things material.


Religious Nature

2. This governmental philosophy is, therefore, essentially religious in nature. It is uniquely American; no other people in all of history have ever made this principle the basis of their governmental philosophy.

The spiritual brotherhood of menunder the common fatherhood of God is a concept which is basic to this American philosophy. It expresses the spiritual relationship of God to Man and, in the light thereof, of Man toMan. To forget these truths is a most heinous offense against the spirit of traditional America because the greatest sin is the lost consciousness of sin.

The fundamentally religious basis of this philosophy is the foundation of its moral code, which contemplates The Individual's moral duty as being created by God's Law: the Natural Law. The Individual's duty requires obedience to thisHigher Law; while knowledge of this duty comes from conscience, which the religious-minded and morally-aware Individual feels duty-bound to heed.

This philosophy asserts that there are moral absolutes: truths, such as those mentioned above, which are binding upon all Individuals at all times under all circumstances. This indicates some of the spiritual and moral values which are inherent in its concept of Individual Liberty-Responsibility.


An Indivisible Whole

3. The American philosophy, based upon this principle, is an indivisible whole and must be accepted or rejected as such. It cannot be treated piece-meal. Its fundamentals and its implicit meanings and obligations must be accepted together with its benefits.


The Individual's Self-respect

4. The concept of Man's spiritual nature, and the resulting concept of the supreme dignity and value of each Individual, provide the fundamental basis for each Individual's self-respect and the consequent mutual respect among Individual's. This self-respect as well as this mutual respectare the outgrowth of, and evidenced by, The Individual's maintenance of his God-given, unalienable rights.

They are maintained by requiring that government and other Individuals respect them, as well as by his dedication to his own unceasing growth toward realization of his highest potential--spiritually, morally, intellectually, in every aspect of life. This is in order that he may merit maximum respect by self and by others.


Some Things Excluded

5. This concept of Man's spiritual nature excludes any idea of intrusion by government into this Man-to-Man spiritual relationship. It excludes the anti-moral precept that the end justifies the means and the related idea that the means can be separated from the end when judging them morally. This concept therefore excludes necessarily any idea of attempting to do good by force--for instance, through coercion of Man by Government, whether or not claimed to be for his own good or for the so-called common good or general welfare.

It excludes disbelief in--even doubt as to the existence of--God as the Creator of Man: and therefore excludes all ideas, theories and schools of thought--however ethical and lofty in intentions--which reject affirmative and positive belief in God as Man's Creator.


The Truly American Concept

6. Only those ideas, programs and practices, regarding things governmental, which are consistent with the concept that "The Spiritual is supreme" can justly be claimed to be truly American traditionally. Anything and everything governmental,which is in conflict with this concept, is non-American--judged by traditional belief.

This applies particularly to that which is agnostic, or atheistic--neutral about, or hostile to, positive and affirmative belief in this concept based upon belief in God as Man's Creator. There is not room for doubt, much less disbelief, in this regard from the standpoint of the traditional American philosophy. Its indivisible nature makes this inescapably true. This pertains, of course, to the realm of ideas and not to any person; it is the conflicting idea which is classified as non-American, according to this philosophy.


America a Haven For All Religions

7. The traditional American philosophy teaches that belief in God is the fundamental link which unites the adherents of all religions in a spiritual brotherhood. This philosophy allows for no differentiation between them in this unifying conviction: ". .. all men are created . . . endowed by their Creator . . ." This philosophy is all inclusive as to believers in God. Although America was originally colonized predominantly by adherents of the Christian religion, and principally by Protestants, the Founding Fathers steadfastly conformed to this all-embracing character of the approach of the American philosophy to religion.

This was expressly and affirmatively indicated in the proclamation of 1776 of the fundamental American philosophy, of its basic principles, in the Declaration of Independence. This was further indicated, negatively, in1787-1788 by the Framers and Ratifiers of the Constitution--as a "blueprint" for the structure of the then proposed Federal government, with strictly limited powers--by not permitting it to possess any power with regard to religion.

This implied prohibition against the Federal government was reinforced by the addition of the First Amendment expressly prohibiting it, through the Congress, from making any law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."--the words "an establishment of religion" being intended to mean, specifically and only, a church or religious organization which is established, supported and preferred by the government, like the Church of England establishments then existing in some of the States.


The Conclusion

8. Belief in Man's Divine origin is the foundation of the fundamental American principle which controls his relationship to government: that Man--The Individual--is of supreme dignity and value because of his spiritual nature.



Snip borrowed from ''The American ideal of 1776: The Twelve Basic American Principles.''

Author's Foreword: ''Intelligent choice--between 1776 Americanism and conflicting Isms (chiefly Socialism in the USA today)--requires primarily thorough knowledge of these Principles.

The book is the essential tool for all who wish to be worthy trustees for today's children and future generations of their just heritage: this Ideal, its eternal values and the supporting Constitution, as The Founders intended. They believed to default about this is to betray.''



 
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