Zone1 POLL: "Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from? Zone1

[alang1216]

That is off topic.

You claimed our rights come from God. Does our Constitution come from God too?

 

[alang1216]

Bumping my own earlier post because I put a lot of thought into it and was hoping someone would give some thoughts on it.

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Oct 6, 2025

The basis for my beliefs on this is really an observation that led to a question and an answer. Maybe a bit of empathy too? That would be for a psychiatrist to determine.

I can observe any living thing and objectively see that the life that creature is living is (at the very least) biologically its own.

We can (should be able to) objectively look at a tree and determine that the life the tree is living belongs to the tree that is living it.

You can't remove one from the other without destroying both.

It is in that respect that even a tree has a right (proto-right, beginning...

• Chuz Life

Please?

If that tree is where I want to build a house, our rights now conflict. Every animal must kill to live, that is the world we live in.

 

[alang1216]

You can't define or list those? Seriously?

I eagerly await your list or is it just life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

 

[sparky]

Please?

well..... it's quite the quagmire Chuz...... ~S~

 

[JoeB131]

The [Japanese-Americans} still had those rights. Someone can prevent you from excising your rights, but that does not mean you still don't have those rights.

Well, if someone can prevent you from exercising them, do you really have them? That's my whole point.

Bumping my own earlier post because I put a lot of thought into it and was hoping someone would give some thoughts on it.

They have. But since you have everyone who doesn't embrace your philosophy on ignore, you aren't seeing them.

"Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."

That's nice. Too bad they didn't put that in the Constitution. In fact, quite the opposite, they put quite a lot of thought into what actually constitutes a militia in Article 8, including provisioning and appointment of officers.

All of which is a moot point, because Militias were replaced a long time ago by the National Guard and Police Forces. It's like insisting your home requires a hitching post because someone needs to tie down their horses.

So if militias are no longer a thing, does unregulated gun ownership as a "right" still make sense? Whoops, there goes another room full of preschoolers, but hey, we have the right to something that we haven't needed in 100 years.

There was probably a lot more violence in the middle ages and colonial times than there is today.

Actually, no. The murder rate in Colonial America was relatively low.

 

[JoeB131]

If that tree is where I want to build a house, our rights now conflict. Every animal must kill to live, that is the world we live in.

And there lies the rub. There are no rights, just overlapping privileges that have to be sorted out.

My "right" to scream obscenities in the middle of the street is overruled by someone else's "right" to not have their children hear that kind of thing, so more often than not, I'd probably get a talking to from the authorities.

In a civil society, we all give each other a wide berth. Probably safer that way.

 

[ChristisKing]

Does a government have the right to kill someone for committing a crime? If so, it seems our rights come from the government.

No, because God is the one who put our government in charge of our land.

 

[Chuz Life]

Does a government have the right to kill someone for committing a crime? If so, it seems our rights come from the government.

As, the government derives its "just powers from the consent of the governed" your comment has it completely backwards.

The key wording to understand it is in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution itself.

Specifically, where it says a person's rights can oly be DEPRIVED by the government by DUE PROCESS.

Note it doesn't use the word DENY.

The word DEPRIVE is used to make the government acknowledge these rights EXIST.

 

[BackAgain]

Naw, that wouldn't make heads explode because it's not particularly true.

Guns were actually RARE in colonial America and rarer still in Europe, because most people just didn't have a need for one.

You’re such a fictionalist.

 

[alang1216]

No, because God is the one who put our government in charge of our land.

Did God put governments in other lands too? Russia? Iran?

 

[ChristisKing]

Did God put governments in other lands too? Russia? Iran?

I'm guessing so as that's what the Bible says. Romans 13:1.

 

[alang1216]

As, the government derives its "just powers from the consent of the governed" your comment has it completely backwards.

The key wording to understand it is in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution itself.

Specifically, where it says a person's rights can oly be DEPRIVED by the government by DUE PROCESS.

Note it doesn't use the word DENY.

The word DEPRIVE is used to make the government acknowledge these rights EXIST.

So we have rights, from God or our government's Declaration of Independence and Constitution, but it is up to the government to recognize or rescind those rights.

 

[ChristisKing]

So we have rights, from God or our government's Declaration of Independence and Constitution, but it is up to the government to recognize or rescind those rights.

Yes unfortunately

 

[Leo123]

You claimed our rights come from God. Does our Constitution come from God too?

The subject is human rights.

 

[Eman623]

I chose #1 - my inalienable rights were endowed on me by my creator (which is not the same as God.)

No evidence of this is needed or will be forthcoming as I hold this truth to be self-evident. It's axiomatic.

 

[ChristisKing]

The subject is human rights.

That guy is an idiot however he does make a good point. If God put government in charge, then why is it always different depending on what country you're in?

 

[ChristisKing]

That guy is an idiot however he does make a good point. If God put government in charge, then why is it always different depending on what country you're in?

Hey TemplarKormac, you got an awful lot of Bible knowledge, do you know the answer to this question?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Hey TemplarKormac, you got an awful lot of Bible knowledge, do you know the answer to this question?

Because not all governments believe in God and may not run themselves according to God's will.

 

[ChristisKing]

Because not all men believe in God and may not run their governments according to God's will.

So is the US Constitution God's will?

 

[TemplarKormac]

So is the US Constitution God's will?

That remains to be seen.