Zone1 POLL: "Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from? Zone1

[ChristisKing]

It's an intriguing question, "how\ where did life begin or originate?" However, it's not a question that has to be solved to conclude that a life (however it was originated) belongs to the individual who is living it.

You see that's what makes us different from democrats. We're not afraid to admit we don't know something. As nobody (but God to me) knows everything.

 

[kyzina]

English Common Law. Pretty much

What is the origin of their common law?

 

[candycorn]

What is the origin of their common law?

I'm not sure.

 

[kyzina]

I'm not sure.

Ok, fair enough.

 

[kyzina]

There are no "rights".

There are privileges that the society at large is willing to tolerate. Sometimes these are detailed in law.

Anyone who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast rights disappear when the room turns ugly.

Or "Undocumented Immigrants, 2025".

The Japs still had those rights. Someone can prevent you from excising your rights, but that does not mean you still don't have those rights.

 

[ChristisKing]

Anyways, obviously my answer is our rights come from God.

 

[Chuz Life]

You see that's what makes us different from democrats. We're not afraid to admit we don't know something. As nobody (but God to me) knows everything.

Intellectual honesty is obviously not a character trait that is pursued equally by the left and the right.

 

[kyzina]

Can you define what you mean by 'Basic Human Rights'? I doubt we can agree what they are, much less where they come from.

You can't define or list those? Seriously?

 

[ChristisKing]

Intellectual honesty is obviously not a character trait that is pursued equally by the left and the right.

Another phrase the left cannot seem to use is I was wrong and I lost track of how many times over the years that I've said that myself on here.

 

[kyzina]

Where did I say that?

Actually, the internment of the Nisii was a bipartisan effort. Republicans and Democrats were all for it, at the time. (I would also argue there was some wisdom in it in 1942, when there was a real risk of the Japanese invading the West Coast.)

If rights came from a God, or the law, or were inherently inside of it, it wouldn't be that easy to remove them, but many times in our history, they've done exactly that.

And for all our flaws, we are one of the better examples.

There was not much risk of Japs invading the west coast after 1941. There was virtually no risk of the Germans taking over America. Or the world for that matter.

 

[kyzina]

Your rights come from the society you live in. They are entirely a human construct, nothing divine about them.

Where did humans get them?

 

[kyzina]

And yet Jefferson went home and lived comfortably on the work of men who were born as slaves.

Proving my point that rights are what society thinks is acceptable.

Jefferson was wrong to own slaves. He had no right to do that.

 

[kyzina]

If a right can't "self-enforce", then it isn't a right, it's a privilege everyone else agrees you should have. This is my point.

Okay, so everyone agrees. Where did everyone get the cognitive capacity to reason this and agree?

 

[kyzina]

If it can be deprived or denied, then it isn't a right, it's a privilege.

If someone takes your watch, then they have denied your ability to have that watch. But you still have a right to your watch.

 

[kyzina]

The fact that people are prevented from exercising their rights does not negate the fact that rights exist.

Yes, I totally agree.

 

[Chuz Life]

Okay, so everyone agrees. Where did everyone get the cognitive capacity to reason this and agree?

And who or what gave those people the right to act on it?

 

[kyzina]

Okay, let's say after Trump Wrecks the economy, we get the ANTIFA Congress and President, and the first thing they do is decide that the Second Amendment is about militias. Oops, you dont belong to a militia and the nice man from the ATF stops by to collect your guns.

"Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."

-George Mason

 

[kyzina]

Naw, that wouldn't make heads explode because it's not particularly true.

Guns were actually RARE in colonial America and rarer still in Europe, because most people just didn't have a need for one.

There was probably a lot more violence in the middle ages and colonial times than there is today.

 

[Chuz Life]

Bumping my own earlier post because I put a lot of thought into it and was hoping someone would give some thoughts on it.

Zone1 Post in thread 'POLL: "Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from? Zone1'

Oct 6, 2025

The basis for my beliefs on this is really an observation that led to a question and an answer. Maybe a bit of empathy too? That would be for a psychiatrist to determine.

I can observe any living thing and objectively see that the life that creature is living is (at the very least) biologically its own.

We can (should be able to) objectively look at a tree and determine that the life the tree is living belongs to the tree that is living it.

You can't remove one from the other without destroying both.

It is in that respect that even a tree has a right (proto-right, beginning...

• Chuz Life

Please?

 

[alang1216]

I left it open for discussion, but I think specifically, the most basic human rights are the right to life and the right to self-defense (By extension, the right to defend the lives of others)

Does a government have the right to kill someone for committing a crime? If so, it seems our rights come from the government.