[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[RKMBrown]

Here's the math that you neglected to report.

The "cuts" to the poor and middle class were one check in 2001, and another in 2003. The cuts to the wealthy continued for 12 years.

But, of course you knew that. Must have forgotten to report it.

You are a liar.

What was it that Republicans tried so hard to not allow democrats let expire in 2010?

No that's just another one of your lies. The pubs wanted all of the cuts to remain. The dems only wanted the cuts that affect their voting public to remain.

 

[RKMBrown]

Some day, maybe, you'll realize that you cannot defend what the media told you was true, and they can't either. It's lies built on lies.

Your shortcoming is not in your inability to defend what they told you, but in your inability to critically evaluate it, and reject what's knowably untrue.

An epic failure in American education.

"Reject what is know-ably untrue".. ROFL do you mean he refuses to accept the truth? What truth? Who gave you the emperors scepter, that you feel gives you the pulpit for all truth?

Education. Research. Critical thinking skills. Time and effort. All of that stuff that you thought that you could rely on Rush and Rupert for, while you perched in the Lazy Boy.

Liar. You don't speak for me. I never listen to Rush. I have no idea who Rupert is. I don't own a lazy boy, nor do I believe there is a method for perching in one.

 

[RKMBrown]

Clearly some people are made to be widely separated from their neighbors, for everyone's sake. Most of us live among neighbors so there's still open places to put people like you. But, the world is running out of space. That's why having to accomodate people like you is getting less and less tolerable to the civilized majority.

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Well, we have to work and contribute.

Not in this country, not thanks to the likes of you. No one has to work. Why work when the government the democrats set up will just write you checks?

 

[PMZ]

We have no state income tax. With the exception of a few cities, we eschew most of the socialist ideas for constitutional conservative ideas. Unfortunately we still get the occasional democrat who realizes this is a republican state so they switch hats and pretend to be republican to get elected. I can drink a soda of any size here. I can even have a large pizza pie if I want. Hell I can cc a pistol and store one in the glove box of my car. Heck I can even pee out the back porch and take a shoot at deer, turkey, and other game right off my back porch.

Clearly some people are made to be widely separated from their neighbors, for everyone's sake. Most of us live among neighbors so there's still open places to put people like you. But, the world is running out of space. That's why having to accomodate people like you is getting less and less tolerable to the civilized majority.

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism. It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

So, you'll have to think of other epithets.

How 'bout "poopy head"?

 

[PMZ]

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Well, we have to work and contribute.

Not in this country, not thanks to the likes of you. No one has to work. Why work when the government the democrats set up will just write you checks?

Another incoming. The vast majority of us are middle class and we are proud to create wealth with our skills. The only people who don't have to work are the wealthy. The poor are generally unable to work due to the inability of businesses to grow.

 

[RKMBrown]

Clearly some people are made to be widely separated from their neighbors, for everyone's sake. Most of us live among neighbors so there's still open places to put people like you. But, the world is running out of space. That's why having to accomodate people like you is getting less and less tolerable to the civilized majority.

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism. It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

So, you'll have to think of other epithets.

How 'bout "poopy head"?

Communism is dead? Tell that to the communist countries that remain around the world.

Who said well regulated capitalism would lead to the societal collapse? Where do you get these lies?

>> I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is.

LIAR!!!! I don't have a socialist bone in my body.

>>> markets where competition isn't practical

ROFL, your just a joke a minute. In what market is competition impractical?

>>> In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism.

ROFL How many times are you not going to refuse to use double negatives in your sentence structure?

>>> It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

Yes, nimrod, capitalism is pervasive and it can be regulated.

 

[RKMBrown]

Well, we have to work and contribute.

Not in this country, not thanks to the likes of you. No one has to work. Why work when the government the democrats set up will just write you checks?

Another incoming. The vast majority of us are middle class and we are proud to create wealth with our skills. The only people who don't have to work are the wealthy. The poor are generally unable to work due to the inability of businesses to grow.

Good for you if you are working. Why would you employ a system that forces people to not work? Are you concerned they will take your job? What do you fear?

There is no such thing as a person who is unable to work. There is no such thing as a person who requires a business to grow to get work. You want to work? It's really easy. Just start working.

 

[PMZ]

Free is defined by our Constitution and is the same in all states.

You've never read the Constitution. You don't even grasp what it is you seek to erradicate.

In what way are you more free in Texas than people in all states are?

I live in the Peoples Republic of California. I took a vacation in Arizona last month. It was really nice visiting a free state. Very different - a different feel to it.

Try Somalia. There is no more free country in the world. Free of government. Take all your guns though, because others are free to do whatever they want to.

 

[RKMBrown]

Free is defined by our Constitution and is the same in all states.

You've never read the Constitution. You don't even grasp what it is you seek to erradicate.

In what way are you more free in Texas than people in all states are?

I live in the Peoples Republic of California. I took a vacation in Arizona last month. It was really nice visiting a free state. Very different - a different feel to it.

Try Somalia. There is no more free country in the world. Free of government. Take all your guns though, because others are free to do whatever they want to.

Ah here we go... Typical argument from the typical authoritarian: We only have two choices complete anarchy or absolute authority over every aspect of life. The argument that there can be no freedom without anarchy is a vile lie made up by communists, socialists, and fascists. Which are you?

 

[PMZ]

One of the reasons that I have so little respect for conservatives is that I've never met one who could defend what you all are required to believe. I guess you won't be the one to break that streak.

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

I think PMZ is one of those guys that got beat to hell by his conservative parents... that or he was a catholic altar boy. KWIM?

Wrong on all counts. My parents were passionate Republicans. My immigrant grandparents passionate Democrats. I'm Protestant. I'm a Republican.

If my parents were still around I'm sure that they would agree that the GOP left us, not vice versa. My grandparents would probably say "told you so".

 

[RKMBrown]

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

I think PMZ is one of those guys that got beat to hell by his conservative parents... that or he was a catholic altar boy. KWIM?

Wrong on all counts. My parents were passionate Republicans. My immigrant grandparents passionate Democrats. I'm Protestant. I'm a Republican.

If my parents were still around I'm sure that they would agree that the GOP left us, not vice versa. My grandparents would probably say "told you so".

What does "compassionate republican mean?" Socialist?

 

[PMZ]

You've never read the Constitution. You don't even grasp what it is you seek to erradicate.



I live in the Peoples Republic of California. I took a vacation in Arizona last month. It was really nice visiting a free state. Very different - a different feel to it.

Try Somalia. There is no more free country in the world. Free of government. Take all your guns though, because others are free to do whatever they want to.

Ah here we go... Typical argument from the typical authoritarian: We only have two choices complete anarchy or absolute authority over every aspect of life. The argument that there can be no freedom without anarchy is a vile lie made up by communists, socialists, and fascists. Which are you?

I'm 70. I live as freely now as I ever have. It's because I live responsibly. None of the laws that you whine about affect me in the least.

You've been made by your entertainment choice, government phobic, not because it's sensible but because you've been enrolled in a cult owned by the mega wealthy in search of more wealth from less taxes. That simple.

Americans know that we are free because of our Constitution and our democracy. Government of, by, for the people. Not cultism by the wealthy.

Fortunately for us, more of us think for ourselves rather than join your cult. Democracy is why the investment that the wealthy made in training you was not a good one. It fell short, and is getting shorter.

We remain free despite you.

 

[tooAlive]

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Guess you haven't heard of countries like Cuba or North Korea.

Incoming: They still exist. And they're communist.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

Speak for yourself.

I advocate for free markets, flat taxes and private property. All of which are polar opposites of socialist ideologies.

 

[PMZ]

I think PMZ is one of those guys that got beat to hell by his conservative parents... that or he was a catholic altar boy. KWIM?

Wrong on all counts. My parents were passionate Republicans. My immigrant grandparents passionate Democrats. I'm Protestant. I'm a Republican.

If my parents were still around I'm sure that they would agree that the GOP left us, not vice versa. My grandparents would probably say "told you so".

What does "compassionate republican mean?" Socialist?

I know what compassionate means, believe that I am, and am a Republican.

I'm on the outs with the party though. I don't know if that's the fate of all compassionate Republicans or not.

 

[PMZ]

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Guess you haven't heard of countries like Cuba or North Korea.

Incoming: They still exist. And they're communist.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

Speak for yourself.

I advocate for free markets, flat taxes and private property. All of which are polar opposites of socialist ideologies.

You need to look up the meaning of "socialism" and "capitalism". They are both globally pervasive.

There are no "free markets" and haven't been for quite some time.

"Flat taxes" would make us a third world banana republic almost instantly.

I don't know anybody who's against either private property or public property.

 

[RKMBrown]

Try Somalia. There is no more free country in the world. Free of government. Take all your guns though, because others are free to do whatever they want to.

Ah here we go... Typical argument from the typical authoritarian: We only have two choices complete anarchy or absolute authority over every aspect of life. The argument that there can be no freedom without anarchy is a vile lie made up by communists, socialists, and fascists. Which are you?

I'm 70. I live as freely now as I ever have. It's because I live responsibly. None of the laws that you whine about affect me in the least.

You've been made by your entertainment choice, government phobic, not because it's sensible but because you've been enrolled in a cult owned by the mega wealthy in search of more wealth from less taxes. That simple.

Americans know that we are free because of our Constitution and our democracy. Government of, by, for the people. Not cultism by the wealthy.

Fortunately for us, more of us think for ourselves rather than join your cult. Democracy is why the investment that the wealthy made in training you was not a good one. It fell short, and is getting shorter.

We remain free despite you.

What the hell are you smoking? You keep pretending like you "know" me. You have no friggin clue who the hell I am. I am the absolute opposite of everything you say I am. I am a constitutional conservative along the ilk of the founders of this nation.

That you believe none of the laws that affect the workers of this nation effect you, makes you out to be the worst kind of American. A retired bigot who sits on his throne of retirement with the self ascribed power to take my income away from my family to pay for your retirement.

Cultism of the wealthy? Screw you. I'm not wealthy. Screw you. You want my money so you can sit on your retired ass? Screw you. You want to make a slave of me and my children so you don't have to keep working? Screw you.

 

[FA_Q2]

Wrong on all counts. My parents were passionate Republicans. My immigrant grandparents passionate Democrats. I'm Protestant. I'm a Republican.

If my parents were still around I'm sure that they would agree that the GOP left us, not vice versa. My grandparents would probably say "told you so".

What does "compassionate republican mean?" Socialist?

I know what compassionate means, believe that I am, and am a Republican.

I'm on the outs with the party though. I don't know if that's the fate of all compassionate Republicans or not.

Sounds like the same bullshit that starky pushes.

I have not seen you push one single idea that can even be remotely attributed to the right side of the political spectrum. Why not let us know where you are ‘republican.’

 

[tooAlive]

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Guess you haven't heard of countries like Cuba or North Korea.

Incoming: They still exist. And they're communist.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

Speak for yourself.

I advocate for free markets, flat taxes and private property. All of which are polar opposites of socialist ideologies.

You need to look up the meaning of "socialism" and "capitalism". They are both globally pervasive.

There are no "free markets" and haven't been for quite some time.

"Flat taxes" would make us a third world banana republic almost instantly.

I don't know anybody who's against either private property or public property.

I know exactly what socialism is.

It's the neo-liberals like yourself that have given it a new meaning.

 

[PMZ]

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism. It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

So, you'll have to think of other epithets.

How 'bout "poopy head"?

Communism is dead? Tell that to the communist countries that remain around the world.

Who said well regulated capitalism would lead to the societal collapse? Where do you get these lies?

>> I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is.

LIAR!!!! I don't have a socialist bone in my body.

>>> markets where competition isn't practical

ROFL, your just a joke a minute. In what market is competition impractical?

>>> In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism.

ROFL How many times are you not going to refuse to use double negatives in your sentence structure?

>>> It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

Yes, nimrod, capitalism is pervasive and it can be regulated.

Clear that you have limited education.

Marx and Engles, both respected economists, theorized that capitalism could not be effectively regulated, would inevitably result in wealth distribution unacceptable to society, and would result in a revolution not unlike our former one, but against our government instead of King George. Further they theorized that after the revolution the majority would react to their experience by going to the opposite extreme of capitalism.

It turns out that so far we, and other countries, have successfully regulated capitalism, and, at least up until now, avoided extreme wealth distribution. Good for us. No revolution.

Show us how to employ competition among multiple privately owned militaries.

If you knew what socialism is, you wouldn't be phobic about it.

 

[PMZ]

Guess you haven't heard of countries like Cuba or North Korea.

Incoming: They still exist. And they're communist.



Speak for yourself.

I advocate for free markets, flat taxes and private property. All of which are polar opposites of socialist ideologies.

You need to look up the meaning of "socialism" and "capitalism". They are both globally pervasive.

There are no "free markets" and haven't been for quite some time.

"Flat taxes" would make us a third world banana republic almost instantly.

I don't know anybody who's against either private property or public property.

I know exactly what socialism is.

It's the neo-liberals like yourself that have given it a new meaning.

What socialistic market presently supported in the US would you change to privately owned means, and why?
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