[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[RKMBrown]

No I mean the country that you love to hate.

I live in TX we are mostly free here. I only hate the portions of this country that is voting to redistribute my income at my families expense.

Free is defined by our Constitution and is the same in all states.

In what way are you more free in Texas than people in all states are?

We have no state income tax. With the exception of a few cities, we eschew most of the socialist ideas for constitutional conservative ideas. Unfortunately we still get the occasional democrat who realizes this is a republican state so they switch hats and pretend to be republican to get elected. I can drink a soda of any size here. I can even have a large pizza pie if I want. Hell I can cc a pistol and store one in the glove box of my car. Heck I can even pee out the back porch and take a shoot at deer, turkey, and other game right off my back porch.

 

[RKMBrown]

The problem you have is the "millions" of jobs you claim have gone overseas is false.

Millions of jobs have gone overseas.
And they should have as those jobs a 5th grader that has an adult body can perform them.
Gone are the days when a semi illiterate high school grad can assure himself with a manufacturing job that pays a middle class income with benefits.
Millions of jobs went overseas. They are long gone and that is okay as the next wave is the information age and there are plenty of job vacancies in IT, HVAC, auto repair, computer running and operating systems in all forms of machinery and the list goes on.

Assuming the number in the millions has some truth to it( someone will have to prove it to convince me), these are jobs that would have been next t impossible to fill and that most of them would be taken by unskilled people or illegal immigrants.

One example: IBM used to have 350k employees 300k in the USA. Now they have 435k employees with 95k in the USA. That's 205k employees from just one company. Extrapolate that to the fortune 500 and you will start to get an idea of why our income tax revenues are down with respect to the number of employable Americans.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The part you conveniently leave out is there already IS plenty of government regulation.

The fact that you decided what color of socks you would wear this morning is proof positive to the Obamunists that there is not nearly enough government regulation.

 

[Uncensored2008]

One of the reasons that I have so little respect for conservatives is that I've never met one who could defend what you all are required to believe. I guess you won't be the one to break that streak.

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Free is defined by our Constitution and is the same in all states.

You've never read the Constitution. You don't even grasp what it is you seek to erradicate.

In what way are you more free in Texas than people in all states are?

I live in the Peoples Republic of California. I took a vacation in Arizona last month. It was really nice visiting a free state. Very different - a different feel to it.

 

[RKMBrown]

One of the reasons that I have so little respect for conservatives is that I've never met one who could defend what you all are required to believe. I guess you won't be the one to break that streak.

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

I think PMZ is one of those guys that got beat to hell by his conservative parents... that or he was a catholic altar boy. KWIM?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Boy, you are slow. How many times do I have to answer?

Everyone's fair share is what it takes to maintain a successful country. It's a free market thing. Anyone who doesn't like their share is free to move out. The way you guys talk there must be at least a hundred other countries in the world superior to ours.

So, what you're saying is "From each according to their ability?"

 

[Uncensored2008]

Crooks keep thinking of new ways to screw the public.

This isn't about Obama.

The public keeps thinking of things that they won't stand for anymore.

The public reelected the crook.

 

[tjvh]

"Fair share" should mean the same Tax rate for everyone, nothing more.

 

[RKMBrown]

"Fair share" should mean the same Tax rate for everyone, nothing more.

Fair share of taxation is a subjective quality for which no two people are likely to ever agree. No doubt exactly why the left like to use it as a hammer, it is something that can never be achieved. Thus an endless cycle of crying about it's not fair.

The same tax rate for everyone also has no meaning. Do you mean same income tax rate on personal income? How would that be "fair" when the rich and welfare benefactors have no personal income to be taxed?

 

[PMZ]

You just admitted you believe in taxation for redistribution. Which is the same thing as using taxation as a means to punish.
Nice.

Don't you believe in capitalism for wealth redistribution? Didn't you believe in the Bush wealth redistribution tax cuts for the wealthy? The whole Bush administration was one endless river of wealth, redirected from the creators of wealth, workers, to those who don't have to work, the already wealthy.

The Bush tax cuts provided 100%+ tax cuts to the poor, 30-50% tax cuts to the middle class, 15% to the upper middle class, and 5-10% tax cuts to the rich.

I'm gonna guess you're one of "those" libs that are math challenged.

Here's the math that you neglected to report.

The "cuts" to the poor and middle class were one check in 2001, and another in 2003. The cuts to the wealthy continued for 12 years.

But, of course you knew that. Must have forgotten to report it.

 

[PMZ]

Millions of jobs have gone overseas.
And they should have as those jobs a 5th grader that has an adult body can perform them.
Gone are the days when a semi illiterate high school grad can assure himself with a manufacturing job that pays a middle class income with benefits.
Millions of jobs went overseas. They are long gone and that is okay as the next wave is the information age and there are plenty of job vacancies in IT, HVAC, auto repair, computer running and operating systems in all forms of machinery and the list goes on.

America's success has traditionally come from companies investing in productivity so that skilled workers could live comfortable lives by out producing labor that was merely cheap. That ended, not because something better came along, but because the stock gamblers on Wall St rewarded executives lavishly for cutting payroll. Those bright business leaders didn't give a second thought to the undeniable fact that every worker cut was also a customer.

The Great Recession was caused by nothing more than the selling of America by the wealthy, for the wealthy.

Jesus...Where is that ....oh wait. Here it is

The most compelling defense of conservatism that I've seen.

 

[PMZ]

One of the reasons that I have so little respect for conservatives is that I've never met one who could defend what you all are required to believe. I guess you won't be the one to break that streak.

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

Some day, maybe, you'll realize that you cannot defend what the media told you was true, and they can't either. It's lies built on lies.

Your shortcoming is not in your inability to defend what they told you, but in your inability to critically evaluate it, and reject what's knowably untrue.

An epic failure in American education.

 

[RKMBrown]

Don't you believe in capitalism for wealth redistribution? Didn't you believe in the Bush wealth redistribution tax cuts for the wealthy? The whole Bush administration was one endless river of wealth, redirected from the creators of wealth, workers, to those who don't have to work, the already wealthy.

The Bush tax cuts provided 100%+ tax cuts to the poor, 30-50% tax cuts to the middle class, 15% to the upper middle class, and 5-10% tax cuts to the rich.

I'm gonna guess you're one of "those" libs that are math challenged.

Here's the math that you neglected to report.

The "cuts" to the poor and middle class were one check in 2001, and another in 2003. The cuts to the wealthy continued for 12 years.

But, of course you knew that. Must have forgotten to report it.

You are a liar.

 

[PMZ]

I live in TX we are mostly free here. I only hate the portions of this country that is voting to redistribute my income at my families expense.

Free is defined by our Constitution and is the same in all states.

In what way are you more free in Texas than people in all states are?

We have no state income tax. With the exception of a few cities, we eschew most of the socialist ideas for constitutional conservative ideas. Unfortunately we still get the occasional democrat who realizes this is a republican state so they switch hats and pretend to be republican to get elected. I can drink a soda of any size here. I can even have a large pizza pie if I want. Hell I can cc a pistol and store one in the glove box of my car. Heck I can even pee out the back porch and take a shoot at deer, turkey, and other game right off my back porch.

Clearly some people are made to be widely separated from their neighbors, for everyone's sake. Most of us live among neighbors so there's still open places to put people like you. But, the world is running out of space. That's why having to accomodate people like you is getting less and less tolerable to the civilized majority.

 

[RKMBrown]

One of the reasons that I have so little respect for conservatives is that I've never met one who could defend what you all are required to believe. I guess you won't be the one to break that streak.

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

Some day, maybe, you'll realize that you cannot defend what the media told you was true, and they can't either. It's lies built on lies.

Your shortcoming is not in your inability to defend what they told you, but in your inability to critically evaluate it, and reject what's knowably untrue.

An epic failure in American education.

"Reject what is know-ably untrue".. ROFL do you mean he refuses to accept the truth? What truth? Who gave you the emperors scepter, that you feel gives you the pulpit for all truth?

 

[PMZ]

The Bush tax cuts provided 100%+ tax cuts to the poor, 30-50% tax cuts to the middle class, 15% to the upper middle class, and 5-10% tax cuts to the rich.

I'm gonna guess you're one of "those" libs that are math challenged.

Here's the math that you neglected to report.

The "cuts" to the poor and middle class were one check in 2001, and another in 2003. The cuts to the wealthy continued for 12 years.

But, of course you knew that. Must have forgotten to report it.

You are a liar.

What was it that Republicans tried so hard to not allow democrats let expire in 2010?

 

[RKMBrown]

Free is defined by our Constitution and is the same in all states.

In what way are you more free in Texas than people in all states are?

We have no state income tax. With the exception of a few cities, we eschew most of the socialist ideas for constitutional conservative ideas. Unfortunately we still get the occasional democrat who realizes this is a republican state so they switch hats and pretend to be republican to get elected. I can drink a soda of any size here. I can even have a large pizza pie if I want. Hell I can cc a pistol and store one in the glove box of my car. Heck I can even pee out the back porch and take a shoot at deer, turkey, and other game right off my back porch.

Clearly some people are made to be widely separated from their neighbors, for everyone's sake. Most of us live among neighbors so there's still open places to put people like you. But, the world is running out of space. That's why having to accomodate people like you is getting less and less tolerable to the civilized majority.

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

 

[PMZ]

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

Some day, maybe, you'll realize that you cannot defend what the media told you was true, and they can't either. It's lies built on lies.

Your shortcoming is not in your inability to defend what they told you, but in your inability to critically evaluate it, and reject what's knowably untrue.

An epic failure in American education.

"Reject what is know-ably untrue".. ROFL do you mean he refuses to accept the truth? What truth? Who gave you the emperors scepter, that you feel gives you the pulpit for all truth?

Education. Research. Critical thinking skills. Time and effort. All of that stuff that you thought that you could rely on Rush and Rupert for, while you perched in the Lazy Boy.

 

[PMZ]

We have no state income tax. With the exception of a few cities, we eschew most of the socialist ideas for constitutional conservative ideas. Unfortunately we still get the occasional democrat who realizes this is a republican state so they switch hats and pretend to be republican to get elected. I can drink a soda of any size here. I can even have a large pizza pie if I want. Hell I can cc a pistol and store one in the glove box of my car. Heck I can even pee out the back porch and take a shoot at deer, turkey, and other game right off my back porch.

Clearly some people are made to be widely separated from their neighbors, for everyone's sake. Most of us live among neighbors so there's still open places to put people like you. But, the world is running out of space. That's why having to accomodate people like you is getting less and less tolerable to the civilized majority.

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Well, we have to work and contribute.