POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[jc456]

No, the whining was about his actual.behavior and words he deployed, in an effort to fool people into voting for him and into.voting for him again.

Obviously.

Receipt? Never with you

Yep. Cruelty and bigotry. Lowest common denominator. The place where Trump actually fits in. He found a way to get praise and power.

No receipt again

 

[jc456]

Precisely my opinion of you.

Funny how that works, huh?

You believe the vaccine is safe and effective, won’t allow a person to be infected or give the virus to others!! Wonder if you shared that lie

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Read what I wrote. The impeachments were all politics. They were all lies.

That's not an actual defense of Trump against the accusations made. Not for any educated adult.

Try again?

 

[BULLDOG]

I can only speak for myself. I know many people who agree with me. Both times that Trump was impeached, it was only politics at its worst. Maxine Waters proved me right. She was calling for his impeachment before he was even inaugurated. You need to expand your news sources to include Newsmax. MSNBC and other "news" sources often deliberately ignore news stories that are unfavorable to Democrats.

So how do you explain the republican senators who admitted he was actually guilty of the charged crimes but refused to find him guilty.

 

[BULLDOG]

A defense to what? Nothing they alleged was actually true

Republican Senators publicly disagree with you but admit to acquitting him for political reasons.

 

[struth]

Republican Senators publicly disagree with you but admit to acquitting him for political reasons.

Hahaha who mitt? Nobody cares what mitt thought

Adam Shifty himself admitted it was all parody

 

[beautress]

www.rawstory.com · trump-genius-us-usTrump calls himself a 'genius' for realizing U.S. and 'us ...​

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As part of his rambling speech, Trump seemed to realize the abbreviations of the United States, U.S., are the same letters as "us," meaning an individual and others.

Speaking about French President Emmanuel Macron, Trump explained, "You know, he's for France. I'm for us. I'm for us. You know how you spell 'us' right? You spell it U-S!"

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Elon Musk Gives Epic Side-Eye as Trump Asks If Booster Can Be Reused After Crashing in Massive Fireball​

I love Elon Musk. He 's okay.

 

[jc456]

That's not an actual defense of Trump against the accusations made. Not for any educated adult.

Try again?

Show receipts

 

[Frankeneinstein]

No, the whining was about his actual.behavior and words he deployed, in an effort to fool people into voting for him and into.voting for him again.
Obviously.

Well, we at least agree it was whining

Yep. Cruelty and bigotry.

The hue and cry of white liberals and their social education.

Lowest common denominator. The place where Trump actually fits in. He found a way to get praise and power.

true, and what could be sweeter than to watch white liberals being taken down by one of their own...trump is doing to them what they have done to the party.

 

[gmeyers1944]

You do know that Newsmax is a full on right wing network, right? More so than even Fox?

Do you mean people should watch it to balance out MSNBC?

Yes

 

[gmeyers1944]

Yes the equivacation begins.

And all guys talk that way in the locker room.

And all guys commit casual sexual assault once in a while.

And all good businessmen break the law.

And lots of people challenge election results.

And all powerful men commit adultery.Hillary can challenge election results but not Donald Trump? Right

See? trump is actually very normal.

No! Not all guys talk that way, commit casual sex, or break the law. Hillary Clinton can challenge election results but not Donald Trump, right? WRONG. That is all the people who trespassed in the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021 wanted. To recount votes in states that broke their own election laws. David DePape had a history of mental problems. He was not a Trump supporter

 

[gmeyers1944]

Really?????

Nancy Pelosi’s husband is still recovering from nearly being beaten to death by a Trump supporter.

Politicians are not responsible for the actions of "supporters". Donald Trump is not responsible for the actions of the person who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband any more than Senator Chuck Schumer is responsible for the people who tried to kill Donald Trump.

 

[gmeyers1944]

Even if the answer was nothing, that wouldn't change the fact that he is acting like a far right nutter for personal benefit.

I came to the same decision in my life that it appears that Donald Trump did. I was once a Democrat. The Democrat Party has become extremely leftist. John Kennedy would be a Republican, today.

 

[Nostra]

Politicians are not responsible for the actions of "supporters". Donald Trump is not responsible for the actions of the person who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband any more than Senator Chuck Schumer is responsible for the people who tried to kill Donald Trump.

What about the assassin Schumer encouraged to take out Supreme Court Justices.

 

[SweetSue92]

That’s not true. Many if not most of us believe he has an abrasive personality. But what matters are his policies, which are good for America and Americans.

Then look at Harris. A flip-flopper who is so abusive to her staff that they all quit, AND whose policies are destructive to America.

The choice was clear to everyone but the TDS sufferers, such as yourself.

Mac laughs at this of course, no matter how many times we try to tell him. He's just running a cartoon in his head. Sadly, that has turned him into a cartoon. Believe me when I say many years ago, before TDS, he was fairly reasonable

 

[SweetSue92]

This is why I've given up on them here.

You can say that you like pizza, and they'll SAY that you said that you HATE pizza.

There is just no way to communicate with that. It's pointless.

Then just leave. Please.

 

[Mac1958]

Then just leave. Please.

Then just put me on ignore. Please.

Otherwise, tough shit. You bore me.

 

[SweetSue92]

Then just put me on ignore. Please.

Otherwise, tough shit. You bore me.

No, I'm not going to put you on ignore. Yes, I'm going to keep reminding you that you are what you accuse

 

[gtopa1]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

 

[Mac1958]

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^^^ MAGA, 2024