POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[Mac1958]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

you claim to want a civil discussion and post that? You may not have called anyone names in that post but you definitely attacked every trump supporter by claiming what you have in that screed.

 

[Mac1958]

you claim to want a civil discussion and post that? You may not have called anyone names in that post but you definitely attacked every trump supporter by claiming what you have in that screed.

I clearly said "that's just my personal opinion".

Do you have any comments on the question?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Most of the attacks are made up bullshit by butthurt people. Trump is not racist not does he attack women, his court cases are lies and exaggerated bullshit as well. He has strong opinions and a sense of what he wants done and is not afraid to go after that, this worries the powers that he threatens, and he is A THREAT to the status quo.

 

[Modern Messiah]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

You are unable to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about President Trump. You people are hopelessly locked into your TDS. The only thing you can offer is mindless hate. Before we have any conversation, maybe we should talk about the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. Maybe we should discuss how you Trump haters destroyed the impeachment process, or how you destroyed the faith people have in the legal system after you weaponized it in order to destroy your political opponent. Why don't we talk about the non stop horrific propaganda that you and your legacy media heaped on this nation. Maybe we should discuss the thousands of criminal illegal aliens that cackles and tater transported all over the country. Do you want to talk about Laken Riley? Maybe we should talk about the time President Trump had two scoops of ice cream and y'all went ape sht for 2 weeks over it.

 

[Votto]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

I would much rather discuss your character

How can you support a party that has overseen inflation go up some 20% on pretty much everything, when inflation is the cruelest tax on the poor? Then Biden blames Putin for the inflation, but then later says there is nothing he can do about the inflation, but then later passes an inflation bill to fix something he once said he could not fix, only to later admit that all the spending from his inflation bill, which contributes to more inflation, was really about climate change and not inflation at all.

How can you support a party that propped up Joe Biden. Over the years, his mental acuity has obviously deteriorated, which prompted the Hur report to say as much, only Merrick Garland and his gang refused to let anyone see the Hur report. You then had Kamala and company singing the praises of Joe Biden on how mentally fit he actually was, only to watch him implode before the entire world when he debated Trump. At that point, the DNC admitted that Joe Biden was mentally unfit because they took away his nomination that the voters gave him, but then refused to publicly admit he was mentally infirm because they allowed him to continue to be President. This endangers the entire country. And as we have seen with various crisis around the country, like the one in North Carolina, Biden was not up for the task of being President.

How can you vote for a party that has been such an international disaster? They conduct the worst withdraw in American military history in Afghanistan, and then have those same generals bad mouth Trump as if they had done anything in life to deserve keeping their jobs. They funded Iran who then promptly used that money to fund terrorism around the Middle East, like we saw on 10/7. and then wonder why American ships are being shot at in the Middle East 24/7 with next to no response. The Ukraine is nothing but a killing field, and Biden essentially ignored the fact that Hamas had taken American hostages and refused to give them back, only to see Israel chastised by Biden for trying to rescue them., something his sorry ass should have been doing all along.

And that is not the worst of it. For 3 long years the Biden administration had said that there is no crisis on the border as more immigrants had come across than at any other time in US history. But then, at the end of his term, as blue states started complaining of a few thousand entering their cities, while Texas had taken in millions, then all of a sudden Biden admits there is a border crisis, but inexplicably blames Trump for it. You have to have some nerve for that. What a bunch of assholes. And of course, their solution would have done nothing to secure the border worth noting, per usual.

Let me ask you this, had you been the father of a fallen soldier in Afghanistan and had attended the State of the Union speech under Joe Biden because you were invited to attend, and had, in your grief, yelled something out during that speech where you your promptly arrested by Joe Biden, not just removed from being there, how would you feel, especially if you felt he had killed your son because of his ineptitude? How is that for assessing a persons character? Or how would you feel if you were the parent of your child who had been murdered by an illegal Joe Biden had let into the country while blaming Trump for it? Who would you vote for Mac?

I'm sorry, not back to the narrative I have sold my soul to a Trump cult

Can Trump do any worse? I dunno, but Americans are pretty desperate these days.

 

[ActionJackson]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

Trump isn't perfect. Neither are you and I. We know for a fact that outright lies were told about Trump (Russian Collusion, Rape, etc.) When the establishment is willing to spread serious lies about Trump, then nothing they say about him is credible.

I don't agree with Trump on all issues, but I believe he's an American patriot and I believe he's our best option for President. Especially during his third term. He learned a great deal during his first two terms, even though he was robbed of his opportunity to lead after he won his second election. He has a clear view now and knows how to proceed minus being surrounded by Swamp creatures.

 

[kyzr]

Trump's 1st presidency was a miracle in itself, the biggest upset in US election history. Hillary and the DNC actually colluded with and paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump, aka the "Steele Dossier". Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. FBI operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles, twice!!
Then during the 2020 election the high-tech oligarchs (Twitter & Facebook), et.al colluded with the FBI to cover-up the Biden crimes and buy the election; google “zuckerbucks” as an example. Not even investigating why 2020 had about 30m more votes than expected. Trump got 10m more votes in 2020 than in 2016 and lost?? Biden got 81m "legitimate" votes my ass. When Elon Musk bought Twitter the truth came out. The Soros DA in NYC (Bragg) indicted and convicted Trump for an expired non-crime. The Durham Report confirms that the FBI & DOJ are NOT upholding the LAWs of the United States, the US is on the verge of becoming a Fascist state, especially since Trump was indicted for mishandling “classified” documents and the Biden crimes are being covered up, including cocaine in the WH. Trump survived two assassination attempts, looks like they are dialing up the desperation to keep the deep state.
We finally saw voters return to sanity after 4-years of the Biden Crime Family, the Deep State, and democrat lawlessness.

 

[Picaro]

you claim to want a civil discussion and post that? You may not have called anyone names in that post but you definitely attacked every trump supporter by claiming what you have in that screed.

He's just another Democrat parrot.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

If anyone did 1/10th of what Trump did, they would have been in prison, a long time ago.
Trump's cult doesn't care.
It's a cult.
Just like Charlie Manson and Jim Jones, but dumber.

 

[Modern Messiah]

If anyone did 1/10th of what Trump did, they would have been in prison, a long time ago.
Trump's cult doesn't care.
It's a cult.
Just like Charlie Manson and Jim Jones, but dumber.

313>226
You're indoctrinated hate is not real
But numbers are
The out of control lawfare against a U.S. President is one of the core reasons the American People turned on you.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

313>226

Corrupt electoral college.
Just like Trump and SCOTUS.

You're indoctrinated hate is not real
But numbers are
The out of control lawfare against a U.S. President is one of the core reasons the American People turned on you.

That happens when the recipient is a CRIMINAL.

 

[Mac1958]

Not a good start!

 

[Modern Messiah]

Not a good start!

Again, you are incapable of having a logical conversation about President Trump. It will go the same way it has for the better part of a decade now. You will immediately devolve into you TDS madness. Your opening post literally proves my point.

 

[BULLDOG]

you claim to want a civil discussion and post that? You may not have called anyone names in that post but you definitely attacked every trump supporter by claiming what you have in that screed.

If you want an honest discussion, you have to acknowledge and discuss beliefs other than your own.

 

[Lisa558]

Not a good start!

You say you want to have an honest conversation about President Trump, and then your poll omits the main thing about him - that his policies are good for America while the Democrsts’ policies are harmful - and then focus on personality and character.

Intelligent Americans prevailed in this Election, and we will return the country back to normalcy.

 

[Mac1958]

You say you want to have an honest conversation about President Trump, and then your poll omits the main thing about him - that his policies are good for America while the Democrsts’ policies are harmful - and then focus on personality and character.

Intelligent Americans prevailed in this Election, and we will return the country back to normalcy.

This thread and poll is specifically about his character. I tried to make that clear. Thanks for your input.

 

[kyzr]

Corrupt electoral college.
Just like Trump and SCOTUS.
That happens when the recipient is a CRIMINAL.

You type lies with no proof or rationale'.
1. The electoral college is in the Constitution, research "the great compromise"
2. Just like Trump and SCOTUS are what? link?
3. What recipient is criminal how?

Nuthin' is what your posts are.

 

[BULLDOG]

Not a good start!

Nice try, but we can't have a rational discussion with cult members. I wish we could.

 

[kyzr]

If you want an honest discussion, you have to acknowledge and discuss beliefs other than your own.

If you want to debate, lets debate FACTS, not BELIEFS