POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[jc456]

You do know that Newsmax is a full on right wing network, right? More so than even Fox?

Do you mean people should watch it to balance out MSNBC?

You know cnn and msnbc are far demofks

I have. They have all agreed.

Trump doesn't care about abortion. Or trannies. He tried to be a popular democrat and failed due to his stupidity and cruelty. He found more success among the right wing, where these things are features.

So here we are.

the video in #507 he held a gay wedding at maralago. Media spouts all lies continuously daily

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yo Dingle Berry , didn't your cackle queen pretend to support the Palestinians all the while she was re arming Netanyahu ?!?!?!?!?

Support them how? If you don't use your big boy words, nobody will know what you are talking about.

 

[jc456]

Support them how?

When will you start?

 

[Contumacious]

Support them how? If you don't use your big boy words, nobody will know what you are talking about.

I forgor that you live in a foxhole.

Something about over 40,000 dead ...Gaza, genocide....women...children .....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I forgor that you live in a foxhole.

Something about over 40,000 dead ...genocide....women...children .....

Take all the time you need.

When you are able to organize your thoughts into cogent, complete sentences, come on back.

 

[struth]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

Of course his character matters. The truth is I didn’t vote for him in the primaries back in 2016. I did this to time, largely due to his character

I mean he survived two assassination attempts by the demafasict, went through their political prosecutions, keep his head up and focused on making the country back to a better place before xiden

He’s America’s Mandela. Character counts

 

[Contumacious]

Take all the time you need.

When you are able to organize your thoughts into cogent, complete sentences, come on back.

I knew you wan't going to respond - I understand that the Demon Rats swore to defend and support queen QueMala by any meqans necessary

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I knew you wan't going to respond - I understand that the Demon Rats swore to defend and support queen QueMala by any meqans necessary

I did respond to what I could. You posted fragmented thoughts. You made no point.

Organize your thoughts like a big boy into cogent, complete sentences. Make a point.


And I will be happy to respond to it.

 

[gmeyers1944]

Great idea. You know it is a fact that republicans who voted to let trump slide on both impeachments later publicly admitted that he was actually guilty, but they didn't convict him for political reasons, don't you?

I can only speak for myself. I know many people who agree with me. Both times that Trump was impeached, it was only politics at its worst. Maxine Waters proved me right. She was calling for his impeachment before he was even inaugurated. You need to expand your news sources to include Newsmax. MSNBC and other "news" sources often deliberately ignore news stories that are unfavorable to Democrats.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I can only speak for myself. I know many people who agree with me. Both times that Trump was impeached, it was only politics at its worst. Maxine Waters proved me right. She was calling for his impeachment before he was even inaugurated. You need to expand your news sources to include Newsmax. MSNBC and other "news" sources often deliberately ignore news stories that are unfavorable to Democrats.

I notice you don't actually have any defense of Trump in either impeachment.

 

[Dragonlady]

ALL politicians exagerate their position to remain "electable" sad but true.

Trump doesn’t “exaggerate his position”, he flat out lies about by everything.

Like the stolen election. Or Russia, Russia, Russia.

 

[struth]

Perhaps one day.

Watching you and Mac1958 banter is cute

I literally watched a documentary on Jonestown the other day, you know the dem utopia…watching you two talk is like hearing a resident of Jonestown try to tell the world how great things are there

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I have. They have all agreed.

so all the whining really was just for the sake of whining?

Trump doesn't care about abortion. Or trannies.

nope, he was just giving the people what they wanted

He tried to be a popular democrat and failed due to his stupidity and cruelty.

That's where the money came in.

He found more success among the right wing, where these things are features.

and make white liberals react like slugs in a salt mine

So here we are.

unnecessarily but predictably when ignoring white liberalism.

 

[struth]

I notice you don't actually have any defense of Trump in either impeachment.

A defense to what? Nothing they alleged was actually true

 

[jc456]

I can only speak for myself. I know many people who agree with me. Both times that Trump was impeached, it was only politics at its worst. Maxine Waters proved me right. She was calling for his impeachment before he was even inaugurated. You need to expand your news sources to include Newsmax. MSNBC and other "news" sources often deliberately ignore news stories that are unfavorable to Democrats.

Their insurrection

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

so all the whining really was just for the sake of whining?

No, the whining was about his actual.behavior and words he deployed, in an effort to fool people into voting for him and into.voting for him again.

Obviously.

nope, he was just giving the people what they wanted

Yep. Cruelty and bigotry. Lowest common denominator. The place where Trump actually fits in. He found a way to get praise and power.

 

[struth]

No, the whining was about his actual.behavior and words he deployed, in an effort to fool people into voting for him and into.voting for him again.

Obviously.



Yep. Cruelty and bigotry. Lowest common denominator. The place where Trump actually fits in. He found a way to get praise and power.

Maybe if you demafasict actually put american first, instead of ruining our economy, destroying our democratic institutions and allied with terrorist…people would of voted for you over trump

 

[gmeyers1944]

So my personal opinions are lies?

Okay.

I do not accuse you of lying. I think that you believe what you say. That means that you are not lying. However, someone lied to you and you believed the lie.

 

[Mac1958]

I do not accuse you of lying. I think that you believe what you say. That means that you are not lying. However, someone lied to you and you believed the lie.

Precisely my opinion of you.

Funny how that works, huh?

 

[gmeyers1944]

I notice you don't actually have any defense of Trump in either impeachment.

Read what I wrote. The impeachments were all politics. They were all lies.