POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[SweetSue92]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

You keep hammering on "selling your soul" to a person of low character.

Have you ever read the Bible? Trump is not even--I repeat--not EVEN a Moses, David or Solomon. Mac the Righteous would have proclaimed God's Own Chosen (referring to Moses and David, not Trump) as lacking in character.

Moses was a murderer. David cheated on his wife and then killed his paramour's lover. Solomon was given just about everything and disobeyed. And on, and on, and on, and on and on.

Mac cries about "character" and misses the big picture. Mac would have stayed in Egypt rather than follow Moses because, you know, low "character".

Mac would have followed the Pharisees because they looked good on the outside. They said the nice words and ate at the right houses and the People Praised Them in the Streets. But Jesus Christ said they were "whitewashed tombs", "blind guides" and finally "children of Hell".

In short, give me a leader who knows what he's about, even if he's faulted, over one who has the veneer of "character" but sells you out the second your back is turned.

It seems God prefers the first, not the second. But Mac, you do you.

 

[Lisa558]

Mac laughs at this of course, no matter how many times we try to tell him. He's just running a cartoon in his head. Sadly, that has turned him into a cartoon. Believe me when I say many years ago, before TDS, he was fairly reasonable

There really is a TDS. It has turned normal Democrats into raving lunatics full of hate for anyone who votes for Trump. I was friends with a lovely woman since I was 13 - the most giving, caring person you can imagine. When my father died, may he RIP, she was there every night of the Shiva, helping out.

I had to cut her out of my life when she would continually compare Trump to Hitler, and any of us supporting him to Nazis - KNOWING I am Jewish and that I and my family voted for him. It was every single conversation, and I couldn’t take it anymore.

 

[Lisa558]

You keep hammering on "selling your soul" to a person of low character.

Have you ever read the Bible? Trump is not even--I repeat--not EVEN a Moses, David or Solomon. Mac the Righteous would have proclaimed God's Own Chosen (referring to Moses and David, not Trump) as lacking in character.

Moses was a murderer. David cheated on his wife and then killed his paramour's lover. Solomon was given just about everything and disobeyed. And on, and on, and on, and on and on.

Mac cries about "character" and misses the big picture. Mac would have stayed in Egypt rather than follow Moses because, you know, low "character".

Mac would have followed the Pharisees because they looked good on the outside. They said the nice words and ate at the right houses and the People Praised Them in the Streets. But Jesus Christ said they were "whitewashed tombs", "blind guides" and finally "children of Hell".

In short, give me a leader who knows what he's about, even if he's faulted, over one who has the veneer of "character" but sells you out the second your back is turned.

It seems God prefers the first, not the second. But Mac, you do you.

Just as an aside, I just came across something interesting, and don’t know if it’s true: not ALL the Jews followed Moses out of Egypt. I need to research this.

 

[SweetSue92]

Just as an aside, I just came across something interesting, and don’t know if it’s true: not ALL the Jews followed Moses out of Egypt. I need to research this.

That's interesting....and it seems to track to me. The Bible records a lot about people making bad choices, etc. Not specific to Jews. It's the human condition. It wouldn't be surprising if some who even practiced the faith didn't take that final....well...leap of faith.

 

[Lisa558]

That's interesting....and it seems to track to me. The Bible records a lot about people making bad choices, etc. Not specific to Jews. It's the human condition. It wouldn't be surprising if some who even practiced the faith didn't take that final....well...leap of faith.

Yes, and my mind went to the Donner Party. When they came to a crossing where there was an untested “short-cut,” some of them wanted to go ahead with it, and others wanted to tske the tried-and-true longer way.

The ones who went with the established long way eventually arrived in California, but the ones who took the short-cut, well…..you know.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

See. You don’t do facts.

All you can do is bleat CULT CULT CULT!

That's because you repeat bullshit from Trump and FOX.

How many times do you wish to be lied to, Q-NUT?

The false GOP claim that Pelosi turned down National ...​

The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › ... › Fact Checker
Jul 28, 2021 — For months, we've asked Republicans for proof that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi failed to act on warning signs. They have none to show us.

Republicans' Shaky, No Evidence Attempt to Cast Blame ...​

FactCheck.org
https://www.factcheck.org › 2021/07 › republicans-sha...
Jul 29, 2021 — House Republicans have sought to change the narrative on the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol by pro-Trump protesters, claiming that Speaker Nancy Pelosi is “ ...

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Higgins: There Were 200 FBI Agents Disguised as Trump Supporters on J6​

WHY didn't Higgins TESTIFY?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

You are a liar. The day Trump left office there were 455,563 deaths.

Under Biden, as of September this year, there have been 746,619 deaths.

That means you think Biden’s policies are way worse tan Trump’s.

Higher COVID-19 death toll under Biden than Trump reflects longer presidential term spent managing the COVID-19 pandemic - Science Feedback

COVID-19 was responsible for 1.2 million deaths in the U.S., with the majority of those deaths occurring during Biden’s presidency. However, death toll figures under both the Trump and Biden administrations aren’t directly comparable because Biden has been in office for a longer period of time...

science.feedback.org

That's because Q-NUTS, would rather eat horse paste, than take a vaccine.

They would rather listen to Kennedy.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

You realize your sensational story wasn't in DC but outside of the city, proper?

www.politifact.com · factchecks · 2021Jan. 6 defendants were armed with guns, other weapons ...​

Jan 6, 2021 · Court documents show that some of the more than 430 people charged with crimes related to the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol brought guns onto Capitol grounds or stashed........

• Court documents show that some of the more than 430 people charged with crimes related to the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol brought guns onto Capitol grounds or stashed them away while staying in Washington.
• Many defendants used other weapons such as clubs, pepper spray, bear spray and flagpoles.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

You know nothing about how that works

A lot more than Trump, or his cult.

Then again, that's not saying much, a grade school kid knows more.

 

[Delldude]

www.politifact.com · factchecks · 2021Jan. 6 defendants were armed with guns, other weapons ...​

Jan 6, 2021 · Court documents show that some of the more than 430 people charged with crimes related to the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol brought guns onto Capitol grounds or stashed........

• Court documents show that some of the more than 430 people charged with crimes related to the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol brought guns onto Capitol grounds or stashed them away while staying in Washington.
• Many defendants used other weapons such as clubs, pepper spray, bear spray and flagpoles.

"Or stashed them away while staying in Washington"

As I was saying.......

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

I suggest that you expand your news viewing to include Newsmax. Many mainstream news organizations,like MSNBC, are no longer journalists. They are just indoctinators to the Democrat Party. Many of the things that they have convinced you that Trump is guilty of are just plain lies.

WTF?

Newsmax is"news"?

LOL.
No longer journalist?
They never were, they're talk show host, just like everyone on FOX and Newsmax.


But you not only believe their lies, you post them.

 

[Mac1958]

WTF?
Newsmax is"news"?
LOL.

They'll tell you that it's better journalism (I don't know what their definition of that is) than any of the national press.

So is Alex Jones and Hannity and the rest.

And they believe it 100%.

 

[Delldude]

WTF?

Newsmax is"news"?

LOL.
No longer journalist?
They never were, they're talk show host, just like everyone on FOX and Newsmax.


But you not only believe their lies, you post them.

More go to RW media...... LW media are the one's pushing the lies of/and aligned with the democrats.

It's a contributing factor to why Trump won.

Your media is dying and America knows it.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

They'll tell you that it's better journalism (I don't know what their definition of that is) than any of the national press.

So is Alex Jones and Hannity and the rest.

And they believe it 100%.

They also take the word of a game show host as gospel.
What we are witnessing now........The ever ending saga of the Apprentice.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

More go to RW media...... LW media are the one's pushing the lies of/and aligned with the democrats.

It's a contributing factor to why Trump won.

Your media is dying and America knows it.

ABC,NBC and CBS aren't going anywhere.

 

[Delldude]

Wa

They also take the word of a game show host as gospel.
What we are witnessing now........The ever ending saga of the Apprentice.

Wake up, you're melting.....

 

[Mac1958]

They also take the word of a game show host as gospel.
What we are witnessing now........The ever ending saga of the Apprentice.

We're a shallow, celebrity-driven, reality teevee society, and it's come full circle.

At least Kim Kardashian won't be VP.

 

[Delldude]

ABC,NBC and CBS aren't going anywhere.

They're already doing internal analysis of why they couldn't convince Americans that Harris was a better choice.

 

[Delldude]

We're a shallow, celebrity-driven, reality teevee society, and it's come full circle.

At least Kim Kardashian won't be VP.

One need not subscribe.....