Poll: Is he bluffing? Tomorrow is Powerplant and Bridge day

[toobfreak]

Ceasefire (including Lebadon) and return of assets are just conditions to start negotiations. If you don't do it - ok, there will be no negotiations at all.

Still don't get it do ya, corncob---- Iran has no hand in saying what is on the table. We own them. We will tell Iran what their choices are, either that or we squash them like a bug. Our choice, they have no say.

We are just too polite to put it in such frank terms on open media.

 

[Zavulon]

Still don't get it do ya, corncob---- Iran has no hand in saying what is on the table. We own them. We will tell Iran what their choices are, either that or we squash them like a bug. Our choice, they have no say.

We are just too polite to put it in such frank terms on open media.

Iran has a lot of cards - alliance with Russia and China, that provides him virtually unlimited flow of modern weapons and equipment, 92 mln strong population, well motivated to fight foreign invaders, allies in Lebadon, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc, simpathizers all over the world, including USA, control over Hormuz strait, etc...

 

[toobfreak]

Iran has a lot of cards - alliance with Russia and China,

Really? You mean Russia and China are going to intervene? Back Iran up? Go to war with the USA over Iran? Do you know there is a big shake up going on in China right now over the revelation that chinese weapons do not live up to the efficacy and precision that they promised?

China's Faltering Firepower: An Embarrassment in the Global Arms Market

China’s arms exports face a credibility crisis as its fighter jets, drones, and naval vessels repeatedly fail in real combat. Countries like Pakistan, Nigeria, and Myanmar report severe technical flaws, undermining China’s military-industrial reputation globally.

newsable.asianetnews.com

The rot eating at China's war machine - Asia Times

China's drive to build a modern, high-tech military is increasingly undermined by a widening corruption crisis that is raising doubts about its true

asiatimes.com

And as far as Russia is concerned, Ukraine speaks for itself.

that provides him virtually unlimited flow of modern weapons and equipment,

An unlimited flow of garbage, and just how do you think all those garbage arms will get to Iran? Do you think the USA is just going to let you fly them in?

92 mln strong population,

Half of which are children and boys, and another quarter of which are all women. Of the remaining, most want to see the IRGC fall.

well motivated to fight foreign invaders,

With sticks.

allies in Lebadon, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc, simpathizers all over the world, including USA,

You mean terrorist cells. As soon as they move, they become visible and we swat them. And what are they going to do, explode a bomb, blow up a building, kill a few people?

control over Hormuz strait, etc...

Iran has no control over the Strait, no more than we have allowed so far trying to resolve this with as few civilian deaths as possible. You see, we Americans have more regard for the Persian people than do the government of Iran, those people know it, and Iran just butchered 45,000 protestors, so can you seriously believe these people are now going to fight to save their oppressors???!

 

[candycorn]

Turns out he was bluffing... now we're blocading the the same strait that we insisted be opened a few days ago.....

When you elect a clown; don't be surprised when you get a cirucus.

 

[kyzr]

Turns out he was bluffing... now we're blockading the the same strait that we insisted be opened a few days ago.....

Only Iranian oil is being blockaded by the US Navy, the same way we blockaded Maduro's oil at VZ. Not a bluff, its happening.

When you elect a clown; don't be surprised when you get a circus.

You just don't understand strategic leverage. No oil sales means no oil revenue. Iran wants to negotiate again...
Biden's term was a clown show. Trump gets things done right.

 

[candycorn]

Only Iranian oil is being blockaded by the US Navy, the same way we blockaded Maduro's oil at VZ. Not a bluff, its happening.

I thought we were going to wipe out the whole civilization...that is what he said.....

You just don't understand strategic leverage.

Sure I do. You don't want to admit he lied to you.

No oil sales means no oil revenue. Iran wants to negotiate again...

LOL....sure. We were told a civilization was going to cease to exist. Turns out nothing happened.

TACO TUESDAY yet again.

Trump gets things done right.

Thanks for the chuckle there sport.

 

[kyzr]

I thought we were going to wipe out the whole civilization...that is what he said.....

If he destroys their powerplants they are done. He doesn't want to do that.

Sure I do. You don't want to admit he lied to you.

You don't understand negotiations.

LOL....sure. We were told a civilization was going to cease to exist. Turns out nothing happened.

That is not what he said. He said he could end their civilization, not that he would.

TACO TUESDAY yet again. Thanks for the chuckle there sport.

Keep punchin' LOL

 

[candycorn]

If he destroys their powerplants they are done. He doesn't want to do that.

He "obliterated" their nuke program..... that didn't seem to stop it at all.

You don't understand negotiations.

I understand he caved on his threats.

That is not what he said. He said he could end their civilization, not that he would.

Here is what he said:

The word "could" only appears in your apologetic mind.

 

[kyzr]

He "obliterated" their nuke program..... that didn't seem to stop it at all.
I understand he caved on his threats.
Here is what he said: "A whole civilization will die tonight"
The word "could" only appears in your apologetic mind.

What Trump actually said was:

Trump announces 2-week Iran ceasefire after he'd warned 'a whole civilization will die tonight'

The earlier threat, Trump's most extreme rhetoric since the Iran war started, sparked a wave of Democratic denunciations but was met with mostly silence from top Republicans.

www.nbcnews.com

"Earlier in the day, Trump had warned on social media that "a whole civilization will die tonight" if there was no deal between the two warring countries.

You are wrong again. (my memory was imprecise, replace the word "could" with the word "if")

 

[candycorn]

What Trump actually said was:

Trump announces 2-week Iran ceasefire after he'd warned 'a whole civilization will die tonight'

The earlier threat, Trump's most extreme rhetoric since the Iran war started, sparked a wave of Democratic denunciations but was met with mostly silence from top Republicans.

www.nbcnews.com

"Earlier in the day, Trump had warned on social media that "a whole civilization will die tonight" if there was no deal between the two warring countries.

From your source:

Not "could". Thanks for confirming that you lied.

You are wrong again. (my memory was imprecise, replace the word "could" with the word "if")

Your memory is a function of your body....you spend 24 hours a day making excuses for your idol.

Such is life in the cult.

 

[kyzr]

From your source: "Trump announces a 2-week Iran ceasefire..."
Not "could". Thanks for confirming that you lied.
Your memory is a function of your body....you spend 24 hours a day making excuses for your idol.
Such is life in the cult.

Trump threatened Iran with total destruction, he didn't want to do it, Iran agreed to a ceasefire and negotiations. A good thing

Democrats are the cult. From senile incompetent Biden to a moron named Kamala, to historic low approval

 

[gipper]

Trump threatened Iran with total destruction, he didn't want to do it, Iran agreed to a ceasefire and negotiations. A good thing

Democrats are the cult. From senile incompetent Biden to a moron named Kamala, to historic low approval

You voted for Don, but got Crooked Hillary.

Hahahahahahahaha!

 

[kyzr]

You voted for Don, but got Crooked Hillary.

I voted for Trump, to fix all the messes left by the democrats. So far, so good.

 

[Zavulon]

Really? You mean Russia and China are going to intervene?

Yes

Back Iran up?

Yes. At least Russia already started supply of Iran with weapons, vechicles and other equipment.

Go to war with the USA over Iran?

May be. Why not?

Do you know there is a big shake up going on in China right now over the revelation that chinese weapons do not live up to the efficacy and precision that they promised?

Ok. There is only one way to find out who's weapons are better.

An unlimited flow of garbage, and just how do you think all those garbage arms will get to Iran?

As I said, we'll see who's weapons are garbage.

Do you think the USA is just going to let you fly them in?

And what the USA can do? Lift more sanctions?

Half of which are children and boys, and another quarter of which are all women. Of the remaining, most want to see the IRGC fall.

As Is said, there is only one reliable way to test the resolve of those people.

You mean terrorist cells. As soon as they move, they become visible and we swat them. And what are they going to do, explode a bomb, blow up a building, kill a few people?

Cyber attacks, poison water supply, biological warfare, assasination of scientists, top engineers, certain politicains, espionage, different forms of sabotage and all those things.

Iran has no control over the Strait, no more than we have allowed so far trying to resolve this with as few civilian deaths as possible. You see, we Americans have more regard for the Persian people than do the government of Iran, those people know it, and Iran just butchered 45,000 protestors, so can you seriously believe these people are now going to fight to save their oppressors???!

Yes. They are going to fight. Exactly because the government demonstrated resolve and determination to fight both inner and outer enemies. There are regions, where Americans can earn some support, but definitely not with the forces you have now.

 

[gipper]

I voted for Trump, to fix all the messes left by the democrats. So far, so good.

Yeah and 2+2=5.

Orwell lives!!!

 

[toobfreak]

Only Iranian oil is being blockaded by the US Navy, the same way we blockaded Maduro's oil at VZ. Not a bluff, its happening.

The chinese already tried to sneak two tankers into Iran by flying different flags and spoofing the call-letters/ID of some other vehicles but the US Navy is having none of it and turned them away.

China had a special deal with Iran and was getting oil directly off them at a special, low, good-buddy price; not anymore. Now when China buys oil off other suppliers, they will now have to pay the much higher standard world price.

China is headed into a recession.

The EU is running out of jet fuel for commercial airliners.

There is a shortage in fluorite for toothpaste and drinking water there.

Iran is losing something like 140 million a day and 90% of their former income.

Trump has told them, China, and Pakistan to go pound salt on another negotiation anytime soon.

Maybe Trump will go play a round of golf this afternoon.

 

[kyzr]

Yeah and 2+2=5.
Orwell lives!!!

Not sure what Orwell has to do with Trump's record, I like what Trump has done in year-1, with 3-years to go...

Border being totally secured after Dems told us we needed to pass legislation to do it.
Inflation is now in check.
Millions of illegals have left the country or have been deported.
Newly created jobs and lower unemployment for American citizens.
Crime way down.
Housing prices have dropped.
Gas and grocery prices have dropped.
Iran’s nuclear site a smoking hole.
All US/Israeli hostages on Gaza released.
Many peace deals reached in conflicts around the globe.
Massive government fraud, waste, and abuse exposed by DOGE
Transgenderism being curb stomped, men no longer allowed to compete in girl’s sports.
Hospitals now being sued for mutilating children.
Trump is saving more than 200,000 US lives compared to Biden's 400,000 drug overdose dead
Trump cut taxes for those making tips, on SS, or working OT
Trump cut drug prices to the to match the lowest in the world.
Trump got the EU countries to commit to spending 5% on defense, and to support Ukraine
Trump arrested Maduro, the criminal dictator of VZ, and is sinking drug runner speed boats
Trump is getting China out of Panama, and the US back in
Trump has more access to Greenland
Trump is building a new Grand Ballroom with private funding
Trump is negotiating with Cuba
Trump has toxic democrat's approval at 18%
Trump found 150,000 of the 320,000 kids Biden “lost” to drug traffickers
Trump has $18T in commitments from foreign corporations

 

[gipper]

Not sure what Orwell has to do with Trump's record, I like what Trump has done in year-1, with 3-years to go...

Border being totally secured after Dems told us we needed to pass legislation to do it.
Inflation is now in check.
Millions of illegals have left the country or have been deported.
Newly created jobs and lower unemployment for American citizens.
Crime way down.
Housing prices have dropped.
Gas and grocery prices have dropped.
Iran’s nuclear site a smoking hole.
All US/Israeli hostages on Gaza released.
Many peace deals reached in conflicts around the globe.
Massive government fraud, waste, and abuse exposed by DOGE
Transgenderism being curb stomped, men no longer allowed to compete in girl’s sports.
Hospitals now being sued for mutilating children.
Trump is saving more than 200,000 US lives compared to Biden's 400,000 drug overdose dead
Trump cut taxes for those making tips, on SS, or working OT
Trump cut drug prices to the to match the lowest in the world.
Trump got the EU countries to commit to spending 5% on defense, and to support Ukraine
Trump arrested Maduro, the criminal dictator of VZ, and is sinking drug runner speed boats
Trump is getting China out of Panama, and the US back in
Trump has more access to Greenland
Trump is building a new Grand Ballroom with private funding
Trump is negotiating with Cuba
Trump has toxic democrat's approval at 18%
Trump found 150,000 of the 320,000 kids Biden “lost” to drug traffickers
Trump has $18T in commitments from foreign corporations

Lol. Everything.

 

[toobfreak]

At least Russia already started supply of Iran with weapons, vechicles and other equipment.

Wow, is that the rubbish they float past you on state-run news programs? Do they shoot you if you question it? Tell Putin that unless he sends Iran a fleet of nuclear subs, destroyers, battleships and aircraft carriers full of MIG jets and a few thousand medium range strategic missiles, not to bother.

It won't make one hill of a difference in this Iran-forced conflict, and Russia will just be out of a few more billion dollars of useless russian junk that cannot even win in Ukraine because Iran has no money to pay you back.

The world already sees China's weapons are junk and many buyers are looking for refunds, don't add Russia to the laughing stock.

 

[toobfreak]

Not sure what Orwell has to do with Trump's record,

I think what Grippy is trying to imply is that Trump has created a 1982 Orwellian world after Obumma and Biden spent 12 years setting it up with government lawfare, spying, AI and Covid-19.