Should The US Nuke Iran?

[Flopper]

Not really.

He has a point.

What we are doing isn't working. We aren't going to bomb Iran into submission.

We aren't going to starve them out with sanctions because they've been living with sanctions since the 1970s.

And despite the title thread, Trump isn't going to nuke them.

We don't have a large enough army right now (even if we activated all our reserves) to do a ground invasion of Iran, which is three times larger than Iraq in terms of land and population. (And even if we did, we aren't in a position to do either an amphibious invasion like D-Day or to pass through Iraq, which has a pro-Iranian government.

So our only option is to sign an agreement. But even that's a bad option because the Iranians have no reason to believe that we'd live up to our end of any agreement.

I agree signing an agreement with some promise from Iran to abandon their nuclear ambitions is the most likely outcome. Iran will continue as they have in the past refining Uranium and US will continue to threaten them.

Although Trump will declare a great victory, the fact is the US will have gained nothing but a bill of nearly a trillion dollars. Of course this will allow Trump to move on to his next great military campaign. Cuba?

 

[GavanPeacefan]

How is their position "dishonorable" or "Insane".

We have essentially made war on them for having a form of government we don't like. Seems our position is "unreasonable".

are you delusional, a pacifist, or just a traitor?

their positon towards freethinking women is dishonerable and insane.
let alone their position towards Israel.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

I agree signing an agreement with some promise from Iran to abandon their nuclear ambitions is the most likely outcome. Iran will continue as they have in the past refining Uranium and US will continue to threaten them.

Although Trump will declare a great victory, the fact is the US will have gained nothing but a bill of nearly a trillion dollars. Of course this will allow Trump to move on to his next great military campaign. Cuba?

bs. Trump means business.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

Clipper did not "advocate" for it. He told some brainless MAGA warmonger, who advocated to nuke Iran up and down to turn it into glass with it's 90 million population, that just nuking Tehran alone would kill 8-10 million people.

and how do you think Russia and China will respond to such an event huh?

 

[JoeB131]

are you delusional, a pacifist, or just a traitor?

their positon towards freethinking women is dishonerable and insane.
let alone their position towards Israel.

Okay, first, I was in the army for 11 years, so if I'm a pacifist, I'm doing a damn poor showing of it.

Secondly, I don't mistake the interests of a bunch of Jewish Squatters for the interests of America. I'm not sure why you do.

If the Jews don't want to be threatened by the Muslims, they should go back to Europe, where they came from. And we need to stop saying "How High?" every time the Head Jew says, "Jump".

Third, Iran's position on women is a lot more "egalitarian" than Saudi Arabia's. Women are at least allowed to vote in Iran.

If there is a good reason to go to War with Iran, then Trump should have gotten on national TV and made that case, and then went to Congress to get a war declaration. Not using fake ceasefires to avoid accountability under the War Powers Act.

bs. Trump means business.

Does he? Because he keeps declaring ceasefires, he keeps making empty threats and then doesn't follow through on them, and he's desperately looking for an agreement that will probably be less satisfying than the agreement he tore up (JCPOA) or the agreement the Iranians were willing to give him before he murdered half their leadership.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

Okay, first, I was in the army for 11 years, so if I'm a pacifist, I'm doing a damn poor showing of it.

Secondly, I don't mistake the interests of a bunch of Jewish Squatters for the interests of America. I'm not sure why you do.

Because we can't use up our own oil resources and then be dependent upon the whims of them Muslims with their desert pools of crude?

If the Jews don't want to be threatened by the Muslims, they should go back to Europe, where they came from. And we need to stop saying "How High?" every time the Head Jew says, "Jump".

no, when the jews need us, we're protecting one of very few real holds over the Suez Canal, which is vital for us to get our supplies of Asian stuff safely, environmentally friendly and economically efficiently.

Third, Iran's position on women is a lot more "egalitarian" than Saudi Arabia's. Women are at least allowed to vote in Iran.

right. i doubt both. the state of human rights for protesters is to be killed or imprisoned and tortured and likely face an execution.

If there is a good reason to go to War with Iran, then Trump should have gotten on national TV and made that case, and then went to Congress to get a war declaration. Not using fake ceasefires to avoid accountability under the War Powers Act.

Trump's tactic is better.
especially in light of future public relations.
we are in a decades if not centuries long fight with the hardliners among Muslims.

Does he? Because he keeps declaring ceasefires, he keeps making empty threats and then doesn't follow through on them, and he's desperately looking for an agreement that will probably be less satisfying than the agreement he tore up (JCPOA) or the agreement the Iranians were willing to give him before he murdered half their leadership.

yeah. it's part of his strategies, which for very practical purposes, i gotta keep totally secret.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

and as a free bonus for all students of war :
sometimes you keep your strategies hidden (as in : not writen down and shared only with those that need to know it according to your goals), sometimes your tactics, sometimes both.

 

[JoeB131]

Because we can't use up our own oil resources and then be dependent upon the whims of them Muslims with their desert pools of crude?

That sounds like a good reason to invest in alternative energy, not a good reason to engage in perpetual war with the Islamic world.

The problem here is that oil is a GLOBAL commodity. While the Gulf does account for 20% of the world's oil production, very little of that goes to the US. But what happens is when the global price goes up, the people who sell to the US figure they can make better money selling to China or Japan.

no, when the jews need us, we're protecting one of very few real holds over the Suez Canal, which is vital for us to get our supplies of Asian stuff safely, environmentally friendly and economically efficiently.

Two points. First, the Israelis don't control the Suez Canal; the Egyptians do.

Second, the Canal isn't really in any danger of being cut off (Unless the Iranians manage to block it by sinking a couple of ships in it, which I wouldn't put past them.

Third, the Suez Canal carries Asian-manufactured goods to EUROPE, not the US.

If they want to get things to the US, they go to the West Coast. It's easier.

right. i doubt both. the state of human rights for protesters is to be killed or imprisoned and tortured and likely face an execution.

What do you think happens to them in Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia Records Historic Number of Executions for the Second Consecutive Year | Death Penalty Information Center

On December 21, 2025, the European Saudi Organisation for Human Rights (ESOHR) reported that Saudi Arabia carried out 347 executions in 2025,...

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Trump's tactic is better.
especially in light of future public relations.
we are in a decades if not centuries long fight with the hardliners among Muslims.

Okay, two things. Trump doesn't have a tactic, but I'll address that in a second.

Secondly, there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Are we going to go to war with all of them?

yeah. it's part of his strategies, which for very practical purposes, i gotta keep totally secret.

Um, dude, stop drinking the bleach.

Trump doesn't have a "Strategy".

Trump started bombing because the Head Jew convinced him that all we needed to do was cover his illegal bombing, and the Iranians would rise up against the Mullahs.

Instead, we ended up replacing the Mullahs with the IRGC as the main power in Iran.

And now Trump doesn't know how to extricate himself from this mess.

 

[JoeB131]

and as a free bonus for all students of war :
sometimes you keep your strategies hidden (as in : not writen down and shared only with those that need to know it according to your goals), sometimes your tactics, sometimes both.

Trump's Iran Strategy is so secret even he doesn't know what it is.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

That sounds like a good reason to invest in alternative energy, not a good reason to engage in perpetual war with the Islamic world.

forget it. we (A) need a very diverse powergrid in science and engineering terms, and (B) fusion power plants aren't scheduled for commercial use until 2030 (ok up to 2040).
(C) fission is highly unsafe and a total waste of taxpayer money with the now imminent arrival of fusion powerplants that can power a small town.

Two points. First, the Israelis don't control the Suez Canal; the Egyptians do.

together with NATO + EU + Allies.
a very popular American cotton producer works in Egypt.

Second, the Canal isn't really in any danger of being cut off (Unless the Iranians manage to block it by sinking a couple of ships in it, which I wouldn't put past them.

oh they could, and would, if we gave them the chance.
are YOU a pacifist?

Third, the Suez Canal carries Asian-manufactured goods to EUROPE, not the US.

If they want to get things to the US, they go to the West Coast. It's easier.



What do you think happens to them in Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia Records Historic Number of Executions for the Second Consecutive Year | Death Penalty Information Center

On December 21, 2025, the European Saudi Organisation for Human Rights (ESOHR) reported that Saudi Arabia carried out 347 executions in 2025,...

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Okay, two things. Trump doesn't have a tactic, but I'll address that in a second.

Secondly, there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Are we going to go to war with all of them?

not all. there are decent law abiding Muslems too, and they bring great food and spices.

Um, dude, stop drinking the bleach.

Trump doesn't have a "Strategy".

Trump started bombing because the Head Jew convinced him that all we needed to do was cover his illegal bombing, and the Iranians would rise up against the Mullahs.

Instead, we ended up replacing the Mullahs with the IRGC as the main power in Iran.

which can be defeated, using combat drones and combat robots if need be, to keep our own casualty count down.

And now Trump doesn't know how to extricate himself from this mess.

ah. well, i do. blitzkrieg for the win. like in the first Iraq war! ;-)

 

[JoeB131]

forget it. we (A) need a very diverse powergrid in science and engineering terms, and (B) fusion power plants aren't scheduled for commercial use until 2030 (ok up to 2040).
(C) fission is highly unsafe and a total waste of taxpayer money with the now imminent arrival of fusion powerplants that can power a small town.

I don't know where you are pulling this shit about Fusion out of your ass.

Fission power is perfectly safe, has been for decades, but there's no taste to build more of them, thanks to the hippies.

But those aren't the only two choices on the menu.

There are also biofuels, geothermal, solar, wind, hydroelectric, etc.

together with NATO + EU + Allies.
a very popular American cotton producer works in Egypt.

The problem with Egypt is that, the one time they let their people vote, they voted in the most radical Islamist they could find. The Egyptian military quickly murdered him and went back to being a dictatorship.

oh they could, and would, if we gave them the chance.
are YOU a pacifist?

No, I'm a pragmatist.

I'm all in on a war if you can give me a good reason to go to war and demonstrate that you have an achievable strategy. Cheeto Hitler has done neither.

not all. there are decent law abiding Muslems too, and they bring great food and spices.

Right. You do get that most Muslims don't like Western domination, right?

which can be defeated, using combat drones and combat robots if need be, to keep our own casualty count down.

Except drones are the end-all and be all, are they?

ah. well, i do. blitzkrieg for the win. like in the first Iraq war! ;-)

The reason why we "won" the first Gulf War is that we had very limited goals- Just liberating Kuwait from the Iraqis. We had the good sense then to avoid invading Iraq itself, until Bush the Dumber came along and was upset Saddam embarrassed his Pa!

 

[Independent thinker]

I know that Trump currently is trying a blockade hoping that Iran will negotiate, but now apparently Iran has started pumping their oil into the water which will cause a mass pollution for the environment and wild life and innocent people. So Trump has already set out a warning that if the Iranians don't sign an agreement soon Iran will glow.


Here's the question though, are nukes the ONLY way to solve the problem and end this war because it seems like there's just going to be a whole lot more problems if Trump gave the order than if he still was trying to negotiate with them even though they clearly have no interest in it. I just worry about the innocent Iranian people though.

Massive oil slicks spotted off Iran’s Kharg Island as Trump touts Hormuz clash

Satellite images show new oil slicks off Iran’s main oil export hub, raising leak fears and claims Tehran may be dumping crude at sea amid US blockade and storage shortages

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(That's no leak btw, you can count on that.)

The people of Iran are not the problem. Those in charge are. Besides, nuking them just gives Putin the green light to nuke Ukraine.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

I don't know where you are pulling this shit about Fusion out of your ass.

mind your language please, i pulled it out of grok.com back when it didn't support stored shareable chats yet.

Fission power is perfectly safe, has been for decades, but there's no taste to build more of them, thanks to the hippies.

no it's not.
and don't call me a hippie, coz i'm a futurist.

But those aren't the only two choices on the menu.

There are also biofuels, geothermal, solar, wind, hydroelectric, etc.

yep, and we should develop those too, after some time. let's focus on fusion first.

The problem with Egypt is that, the one time they let their people vote, they voted in the most radical Islamist they could find. The Egyptian military quickly murdered him and went back to being a dictatorship.

well, kudoz to the Egyptian military!
i love their work

No, I'm a pragmatist.

I'm all in on a war if you can give me a good reason to go to war and demonstrate that you have an achievable strategy. Cheeto Hitler has done neither.

he's proving it every day, you silly.

and don't call Trump a Hitler archetype ok.
he's not. your country HAD a serious immigrant violence and pointless roadaccident problem, Trump FIXED THAT.
and many other issues of great importance.

Right. You do get that most Muslims don't like Western domination, right?

oh i'm well aware of that, thanks to the lessons on the streets of amsterdam given to me by my Maroccan and Turkish friends there.
they like to lie. to cheat in any type of combat, also in playful combat.
they're an asset to humanity.

Except drones are the end-all and be all, are they?

how do you mean?

The reason why we "won" the first Gulf War is that we had very limited goals- Just liberating Kuwait from the Iraqis. We had the good sense then to avoid invading Iraq itself, until Bush the Dumber came along and was upset Saddam embarrassed his Pa!

well, looks like you wanna retreat onto your little .us island?

 

[Kruska]

and how do you think Russia and China will respond to such an event huh?

You would have to ask the MAGA dolt - who advocated for nuking Iran and making it into glass, incl. it's 90 million people.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

You would have to ask the MAGA dolt - who advocated for nuking Iran and making it into glass, incl. it's 90 million people.

i heard no-one advocate for that at all yet, you delusional one.

 

[Kruska]

i heard no-one advocate for that at all yet, you delusional one.

YOU ever even read the headline of this thread and WHO posted it? a MAGA warmonger dolt, the delusional one is YOU

Should The US Nuke Iran?​

Did you ever read through the thread? and WHO was the one who brought into play that striking Tehran alone wouldn't take care of 90 million Iranians? another MAGA warmonger dolt.

YOU are not just delusional, but even too stupid to read through a thread that YOU participate in.

​

 

[JoeB131]

mind your language please, i pulled it out of grok.com back when it didn't support stored shareable chats yet.

So you pulled that shit out of Elon's ass?

no it's not.
and don't call me a hippie, coz i'm a futurist.

I call it on the hippies, because even though Three Mile Island was a non-event, it essentially ended the building of new nuclear facilities.

yep, and we should develop those too, after some time. let's focus on fusion first.

When the science is there, I'm all for it. No one has made Cold Fusion work yet.

he's proving it every day, you silly.

and don't call Trump a Hitler archetype ok.
he's not. your country HAD a serious immigrant violence and pointless roadaccident problem, Trump FIXED THAT.
and many other issues of great importance.

Immigrants are only responsible for a small fraction of the accidents and violent crime.
well, looks like you wanna retreat onto your little .us island?
No, I just ask, "Is this war necessary".

WWII- Necessary.
Vietnam - Unnecessary
Gulf War - Maybe necessary, but we should have used better diplomacy
This war- Completely unnecessary.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

So you pulled that shit out of Elon's ass?

correction : out of one of the most advanced search engines known today.

I call it on the hippies, because even though Three Mile Island was a non-event, it essentially ended the building of new nuclear facilities.



When the science is there, I'm all for it. No one has made Cold Fusion work yet.

who said anything about cold fusion? i'm talking fusion with temps in the core as hot as the surface of the Sun.

Immigrants are only responsible for a small fraction of the accidents and violent crime.
well, looks like you wanna retreat onto your little .us island?

No, I just ask, "Is this war necessary".

it is.

WWII- Necessary.
Vietnam - Unnecessary
Gulf War - Maybe necessary, but we should have used better diplomacy
This war- Completely unnecessary.

pacifist!