Perhaps the best test of alternate realities - clear video of the shooting

[task0778]

Wow. I can see we have some people on this site who have been living in a cave. People who seem to be truly unaware of the ongoing horrible behavior of ICE in numerous other incidents...excessive force, manhandling, needless escalation, needlessly pepper-spraying people, intimidation, wrongful detention of US citizens, etc.

If you aren't aware of that, then I guess I can understand why you would give them the benefit of the doubt in this incident.

Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make any of your accusations true. Probably are wrongful detentions, I can see that but the rest of it is somewhat dubious. Why? Lawsuits. Doesn't make these claims false either, but it stands to reason that some of the illegals are going to resist. Strenuously. Benefit of a doubt kinda works both ways.

BTW, YouTube video clips can be manufactured, no? These days, it's kinda hard to determine what is true and what isn't. To me that means keeping an open mind. Who generated the report or video? Who validated it?

 

[buttercup]

Oh so you have no time to back up your ckaims, but plenty of timevto post more unsupported claims.

You're very transparent.

I haven't even had my morning coffee! Rounding up a bunch of clips to do other people's homework for them is not something that takes 2 seconds. Sheesh, I was posting to you thinking you were reasonable. Turns out you're just like all these other nasty hyperpartisans who don't post in good faith.

 

[Mashmont]

The agent was looking right at her as she frantically turned the steering wheel sharply away from him. He even video recorded it himself.

The agent wasn't at fault. He was defending himself. The woman was 100% at fault for disobeying the officer and instead making sudden quick aggressive moves.

 

[Mashmont]

Border Patrol’s Use of Deadly Force Criticized In Report.​

Border Patrol's use of deadly force criticized in report

An independent review of U.S. Border Patrol shootings criticizes the agency for 'lack of diligence' in its investigations and suggests that agents' tactics sometimes create a pretext to open fire.

www.latimes.com

WASHINGTON — Border Patrol agents have deliberately stepped in the path of cars apparently to justify shooting at the drivers and have fired in frustration at people throwing rocks from the Mexican side of the border, according to an independent review of 67 cases that resulted in 19 deaths.

The report by law enforcement experts criticized the Border Patrol for “lack of diligence” in investigating U.S. agents who had fired their weapons. It also said it was unclear whether the agency “consistently and thoroughly reviews” use-of-deadly-force incidents.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which had commissioned the review, has tried to prevent the scathing 21-page report from coming to light.

Small wonder, of course they did not want the report to see the light of day. Stepping in front of a moving vehicle in order to create deadly situation is hardly new for them. DHS has firm rules and regulations about discharging a service weapon on a moving vehicle, namely DO NOT FIRE!

US Border agents who risk their lives enforcing our immigration laws = Bad
Communist thug Maduro who murdered thousands and plundered the economy = Good

 

[Seymour Flops]

I haven't even had my morning coffee! Rounding up a bunch of clips to do other people's homework for them is not something that takes 2 seconds. Sheesh, I was posting to you thinking you were reasonable. Turns out you're just like all these other nasty hyperpartisans who don't post in good faith.

You posted a bunch of tweets in the same message in which you told me.You don't have time to post a bunch of clips.

Are you going to use am I asking you to back up your claim as your excuse for not backing up your claim?

Look, it is easier in this situation for you to just say "I heard that ICE is doing all these things and I believe it.I don't know of any specific examples." Even if you don't find it easy to admit that at least it is the truth.

 

[Woodznutz]

This is horseshit, Woody. Impeding or obstructing a federal officer who is doing his duty is a federal offense and they can damn well arrest you for that whether you are a US citizen or not. Manhandled? Where do you get this crap? Clearly she didn't want to be arrested, but maybe she shoulda thought about that when she drove her car sideways out in the street. Break the law, suffer the consequences.

Why didn't they arrest her hours earlier? To me that's tacit permission to continue. Maybe they were emboldening her into a deadly trap. They could have taken her out by flattening her tires hours before they executed her. I can't wait for the forensics on this to come out.

Maybe the agents should be issued pepper ball guns for situations like this. In fact, why do they use pepper spray on the other protesters. Why not just shoot them?

 

[task0778]

Why didn't they arrest her hours earlier? To me that's tacit permission to continue.

Couldn't say. Was she out the in the road for hours? The impression I got was that she wasn't out there in the road with her car for that long, maybe they told her to move and gave her some time but when she wouldn't move that's when the ICE agents tried to arrest her. There are some missing details and somewhat sketchy information, these days who and what can be believed with any certainty?

I'm not a big fan of making assumptions of serious misconduct on either side, absent enough trustworthy information to draw any conclusions. It's easy to do that while pounding on my keyboard instead of physically being there. Ordinarily I'd say the shooter should not have been in the exit path of the car and therefore not in danger. If she runs, she runs and they can arrest her ass later. BUT - his fellow agent had his hand inside the car trying to open the door and so I can see him trying to prevent his partner from being dragged. I cannot tell at what point the fellow agent was free from the car and the shooting went down pretty fast.

 

[Mac1958]

Couldn't say. Was she out the in the road for hours? The impression I got was that she wasn't out there in the road with her car for that long, maybe they told her to move and gave her some time but when she wouldn't move that's when the ICE agents tried to arrest her. There are some missing details and somewhat sketchy information, these days who and what can be believed with any certainty?

I'm not a big fan of making assumptions of serious misconduct on either side, absent enough trustworthy information to draw any conclusions. It's easy to do that while pounding on my keyboard instead of physically being there. Ordinarily I'd say the shooter should not have been in the exit path of the car and therefore not in danger. If she runs, she runs and they can arrest her ass later. BUT - his fellow agent had his hand inside the car trying to open the door and so I can see him trying to prevent his partner from being dragged. I cannot tell at what point the fellow agent was free from the car and the shooting went down pretty fast.

Sometimes neither person is in the "right", and this appears to be one of those cases.

What I don't like are the lies and games from the "administration", although I should be used to them.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The lies you are telling now will drive the next crazy Karen to commit Lib Hari Kari

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They don't care. Their whole perspective is, "If it ain't me, it's no big loss".

Neither do their murder cult owners care.

Sick, sad, selfish, cruel effers.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

A person who fears for their life from a moving vehicle tries to get out of the way.

They don't jump in front of the vehicle and draw a gun.

Then shoot them from the side of the vehicle.

 

[task0778]

Sometimes neither person is in the "right", and this appears to be one of those cases.

Yeah. IMHO, the shooter shouldn't have put himself in danger to begin with, unless he was concerned about the other agent that had his hand inside the vehicle being dragged if the driver took off. It happened so fast though.

And the driver shouldn't have put her car crossways in the street in the 1st place, and shoulda got out of the car when she was told to. Did she not see the gun? Dunno. But she kinda gunned it a little and that was a mistake. I get it, she was scared and wanted to get outta there but if she goes slowly then I don't see her getting shot. But I think she panicked and everything turned to shit.

What I don't like are the lies and games from the "administration", although I should be used to them.

Me neither, but OTOH there's a lotta that crap coming from the other side too. Ain't no winners this time. Nobody comes out clean.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

WTF is he doing holding a phone AND a gun at the same time?

Thank you.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

This seems so stupid, how could anybody make that assumption? All I can guess is that somebody they trusted told them the agents didn't have real bullets. Love to find out if that comes out of the interviews and statements in the coming days and weeks.

They could have possibly had in mind the rubber bullets the police use for crowd control.

 

[Nostra]

I admire your patience.

As usual, I got what I wanted from this thread. I posted a video of the moment of the shooting, and they choose to cling to the story that the Proud Boy ICE agent was hit by the vehicle and started firing in self defense.

I just toss the softballs up in the air, and they knock 'em out of the park for me.

The delusions with this one are off the charts.

 

[marvin martian]

Sometimes neither person is in the "right", and this appears to be one of those cases.

What I don't like are the lies and games from the "administration", although I should be used to them.

Hard to believe you and the few other cloistered cultists in your pod STILL haven't seen the video that shows the terrorirt hitting the ICE agent with her car.

The power of your reality bubble is very strong.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

She was not simply fleeing. Shw struck a law enforcement officer with a 4,000 pound SUV, while fleeing after a lawful command to get out of a vehicle.

If she had been a J6 protester, the left could understand that.

So you're saying he shot her in retaliation for her vehicle coming in contact with him? Because his life apparently was not in danger and the situation didn't come close to meeting the minimum requirements for the conditions that allow lethal force in self-defense. It appears he shot her out of anger AND as she was attempting to flee, neither which is allowable under law.

 

[Seymour Flops]

WTF is he doing holding a phone AND a gun at the same time?

Pretty simple to understand.

He wanted to record the incident in case he was falsely accused of wrongdoing, by politically charged government officials and media. If that hapenned, he would have a video record as evidence of his innocence.

It worked like a charm. the video from his cell phone clearly shows a woman hitting him with a car on the instructions of her wife, fully intending to keep driving, no matter who else she might hit.

You can propose some "duty to die" that you believe that ice agent had, along with everybody else on foot in that location. Unfortunately, for that theory, the first amendment does not require that people volunteer to sacrifice their lives so that you can make a "statement" by killing them.

The Trump deranged certainly chew some strange heroes to admire.

 

[berg80]

Pretty simple to understand.

He wanted to record the incident in case he was falsely accused of wrongdoing, by politically charged government officials and media. If that hapenned, he would have a video record as evidence of his innocence.

It worked like a charm. the video from his cell phone clearly shows a woman hitting him with a car on the instructions of her wife, fully intending to keep driving, no matter who else she might hit.

You can propose some "duty to die" that you believe that ice agent had, along with everybody else on foot in that location. Unfortunately, for that theory, the first amendment does not require that people volunteer to sacrifice their lives so that you can make a "statement" by killing them.

The Trump deranged certainly chew some strange heroes to admire.

Six Prosecutors Quit Over Push to Investigate ICE Shooting Victim’s Widow​

Six federal prosecutors in Minnesota resigned on Tuesday over the Justice Department’s push to investigate the widow of a woman killed by an ICE agent and the department’s reluctance to investigate the shooter, according to people with knowledge of their decision.

Joseph H. Thompson, who was second in command at the U.S. attorney’s office and oversaw a sprawling fraud investigation that has roiled Minnesota’s political landscape, was among those who quit on Tuesday, according to three people with knowledge of the decision.

Mr. Thompson’s resignation came after senior Justice Department officials pressed for a criminal investigation into the actions of the widow of Renee Nicole Good, the Minneapolis woman killed by an ICE agent on Wednesday.

Mr. Thompson, 47, a career prosecutor, objected to that approach, as well as to the Justice Department’s refusal to include state officials in investigating whether the shooting itself was lawful, the people familiar with his decision said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resignation-ice-shooting.html

They're going after Good. It's beyond despicable.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Six Prosecutors Quit Over Push to Investigate ICE Shooting Victim’s Widow​

Six federal prosecutors in Minnesota resigned on Tuesday over the Justice Department’s push to investigate the widow of a woman killed by an ICE agent and the department’s reluctance to investigate the shooter, according to people with knowledge of their decision.

Joseph H. Thompson, who was second in command at the U.S. attorney’s office and oversaw a sprawling fraud investigation that has roiled Minnesota’s political landscape, was among those who quit on Tuesday, according to three people with knowledge of the decision.

Mr. Thompson’s resignation came after senior Justice Department officials pressed for a criminal investigation into the actions of the widow of Renee Nicole Good, the Minneapolis woman killed by an ICE agent on Wednesday.

Mr. Thompson, 47, a career prosecutor, objected to that approach, as well as to the Justice Department’s refusal to include state officials in investigating whether the shooting itself was lawful, the people familiar with his decision said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resignation-ice-shooting.html

They're going after Good. It's beyond despicable.

Thank you for posting that, even though it is really not a response to my post. I was going to post that myself as a thread.

Some people think that the Trump administration was too ruthless in firing the holdovers from previous democrat hirings and promotions. But even after a year, some federal prosecutors and investigators are self identifying as Trump-deranged by resigning.

Deep staters self-terminating and illegal aliens self deporting! Who could ask for anything more? Just let it be faster I guess.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So you're saying he shot her in retaliation for her vehicle coming in contact with him?

Nope. Stop lying.

Because his life apparently was not in danger and the situation didn't come close to meeting the minimum requirements for the conditions that allow lethal force in self-defense. It appears he shot her out of anger AND as she was attempting to flee, neither which is allowable under law.

He fired in an unsuccessful attempt keep her from hitting him with the vehicle. Apparently he fired right as she struck him, because the sound of his gunshot was muffled by the sound of the impact of the car on his body.

But that's just from an amateur. i am perfectly willing to wait for the forensic analysis of all the videotapes that the fbi is collecting.

Waiting for the evidence. What a novel concept for democrats.

He fired again in a successful attempt to keep her from hitting anyone else. had he not fired a single shot, it would have been a tragedy of a different kind. The kind of tragedy that happens when a person with a four thousand pound vehicle goes after people on foot. Or when a mentally weak person behind the wheel allows herself to be controlled by a mentally unbalanced person screaming at her to "drive baby drive."

The shooting was fully in line with the policy of the DHS, as ratified from the policy of the DOJ. You can look that up in my posting history.