Opening the straight not hard at all

[toobfreak]

Based on your comment we must continue the war forever,

No, based on my comment, we must finish off the regime in the next few weeks as planned until they have nothing left to surrender with and people can walk in there and the citizenry can fight back and take back control of their country.

Last week, we already had Iran 90% of the way there.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Better yet and safer environmentally is to remove Iran's ability to export. Trump is making the right move re: Kharg island. Security for the Straits of Hormuz should rightfully fall on the countries surrounding the Persian Gulf.

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I just heard President Trump explain that it would take a split second's decision and about five minutes of bombing to destroy 90% of Iran's ability to export oil.

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[sealybobo]

Good. Time to pull out of NATO and let Europe defend Europe or tear itself apart as it chose to twice in the last century.

Are we allowed to refuse our obligations to defend France, if we dont like their president or if they don't drop all tariffs?

If the USA is invaded, France is obligated to go to war for us. WITH us. Obligated. If we start a war somewhere, they are not obligated to go along. Would we go along if France invaded another country without our approval? Shit. Gimme a break.

Trump will resort to threatening them. Perhaps that will work but still, this war ain't over. And at what point will any Trump supporter admit we should have voted for Kamala? NEVER? No matter what Trump does, he was the better choice? OKAY everyone. If you say so. lol.

This is insane. It was already insane his first term. Him winning again, America, yall get what you deserve. My nephews will not be drafted. Too rich. Going to college. Things would have to get real bad. And if it happened and they were sent away and died, they voted for Trump. I would always remember, they were little Notsees. I love them, but they are.

So Trump has basically dragged NATO into a quagmire. And those surrounding Arab states.

Shouldn't surprise us. Trump is not religious but he has given the religious right everything they wanted including Armageddon Generals who tell the troops the end of times are upon us.

Maybe they are.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Because we have a nearly one hundred year old treaty to defend each other. There is no requirement that Europe join us, or we join Europe on foreign adventures. For example, France's activities in the Caribbean and Africa against Islamic terrorists. We are not required to help them, although we often do behind the wings.

We are also not required to help them if they openly state that they will not help us. nor are we required to meet our military spending obligations when they have consistently refused to meet theirs.

Nato is incredibly one sided. The united states pulls the cart, and the europeans enjoy the ride.

Why has russia invaded several countries over the decades, but never a nato country?

Do you seriously believe that it is because they are afraid of France?

 

[Seymour Flops]

If the USA is invaded, France is obligated to go to war for us. WITH us. Obligated. If we start a war somewhere, they are not obligated to go along. Would we go along if France invaded another country without our approval? Shit. Gimme a break.

Trump will resort to threatening them. Perhaps that will work but still, this war ain't over. And at what point will any Trump supporter admit we should have voted for Kamala? NEVER? No matter what Trump does, he was the better choice? OKAY everyone. If you say so. lol.

This is insane. It was already insane his first term. Him winning again, America, yall get what you deserve. My nephews will not be drafted. Too rich. Going to college. Things would have to get real bad. And if it happened and they were sent away and died, they voted for Trump. I would always remember, they were little Notsees. I love them, but they are.

So Trump has basically dragged NATO into a quagmire. And those surrounding Arab states.

Shouldn't surprise us. Trump is not religious but he has given the religious right everything they wanted including Armageddon Generals who tell the troops the end of times are upon us.

Maybe they are.

You're not comprehending.

I an FINE with them not helping us defend ourselves from Iran's attacks. I never expected any help from NATO in the first place.

Did you?

 

[rightwinger]

So we are not obligated to help them. Are you another one that doesnt know that Iran has attacked us several times?

I am more than fine with that. Bye NATO!

The have NEVER met their obligations for military spending so we should have kicked them to the curb long since.

You don’t understand what an alliance means.
If you are attacked, we will come to your aid.
They all came to our aid post 9-11

Name your direct attacks against the US that justify an invasion

 

[Zincwarrior]

We are also not required to help them if they openly state that they will not help us. nor are we required to meet our military spending obligations when they have consistently refused to meet theirs.

Yes, actually, per the clauses in the agreement. Spending levels have nothing to do with the NATO agreement. NATO members attacking others do not require NATO intervention.

This is basic stuff guys.

Also, France has 300 nukes.

 

[sealybobo]

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I just heard President Trump explain that it would take a split second's decision and about five minutes of bombing to destroy 90% of Iran's ability to export oil.

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Quick question. Why did you get mad at us last summer when we called Trump out for saying Iran's nuclear program was totally "obliterated" last summer.

Right before the war, not even a year later, Trump's team said they were a week away from a nuke. We all know that's a lie but it also contradicts Trump's original comment last summer.

So forget what you heard Trump say. He says a lot of dumb ass shit man. He lies a lot if you haven't noticed.

And really all he is saying is it would be easy to destroy their ability to export oil. So what? If someone attacked us would we give up just because someone took away our ability to export oil?

 

[sealybobo]

You're not comprehending.

I an FINE with them not helping us defend ourselves from Iran's attacks. I never expected any help from NATO in the first place.

Did you?

No I didn't expect anyone would go along. When I heard Trump tell Britain "we don't need your battleships" I was like "is Britain going to back us again after Tony Blair helped Bush lie England into Iraq?

Hell yea England is going to go along. That's the Deep State. You don't think what Trump is doing is Deep State shit? Wake up people. Plus the Royal Family is in the Epstein file. The brother of Charles was sent to hell

Royal Insiders Say King Charles' Disgraced Brother Is Being Exiled to a Sandringham "Shoebox"​

 

[sealybobo]

So we are not obligated to help them. Are you another one that doesnt know that Iran has attacked us several times?

I am more than fine with that. Bye NATO!

The have NEVER met their obligations for military spending so we should have kicked them to the curb long since.

Well Trump doesn't seem like a very reliable partner.

 

[sealybobo]

They are not obligated to help our military excesses
NATO did not support us in Vietnam and only a few helped in Iraq

OMG this is the perfect time for the BoP to prove itself.

President Donald Trump established a new international body named the Board of Peace (BoP), officially launched at the World Economic Forum in Davos on January 22, 2026, which is intended to operate as a "new international organization" and potentially serve as a rival to the United Nations.

Trump has derided the U.N. for "empty words" that “don’t solve war,"

With many allies absent, Trump was flanked at the event by leaders and representatives from Argentina, Turkey, Hungary, Bulgaria, Bahrain, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Qatar, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Morocco, Paraguay and Pakistan.

Israel has backed the body; Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is subject to an International Criminal Court arrest warrant, did not attend the Davos summit.

That's it. Time for Argentina, Turkey, Hungary, Bulgaria, Bahrain, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Qatar, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Morocco, Paraguay and Pakistan to step up

 

[Seymour Flops]

You don’t understand what an alliance means.
If you are attacked, we will come to your aid.
They all came to our aid post 9-11

Name your direct attacks against the US that justify an invasion

Attacked or invaded?

Iranian Regime’s War on America: Four Decades of Targeting U.S. Forces and Citizens

Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran has waged a decades-long campaign of violence against the United States, using terror proxies like Hezbollah and the Popular Mobilization Forces to target U.S. troops, diplomats, and civilians across the Middle East and beyond. This ongoing threat includes...

www.ajc.org

 

[Mac-7]

Attacked or invaded?

If the Euro’s prefer a world where radical terrorists control the Straight of Hormuz and 20% the world’s oil supply thats their choice

Its a very bad decision but totally up to them

 

[rightwinger]

Attacked or invaded?

Iranian Regime’s War on America: Four Decades of Targeting U.S. Forces and Citizens

Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran has waged a decades-long campaign of violence against the United States, using terror proxies like Hezbollah and the Popular Mobilization Forces to target U.S. troops, diplomats, and civilians across the Middle East and beyond. This ongoing threat includes...

www.ajc.org

Your link

On June 23, Iran launched missiles at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, a forward operating base for U.S. Central Command, in response to the American attack on three key nuclear sites at Fordo, Natanz, and Isfahan.

So Iran retaliated for us attacking them first

 

[Seymour Flops]

Your link

On June 23, Iran launched missiles at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, a forward operating base for U.S. Central Command, in response to the American attack on three key nuclear sites at Fordo, Natanz, and Isfahan.

So Iran retaliated for us attacking them first

They've been attacking us since 1979.

But I have come to expect nothing less than full on anti-American Derangement Syndrome from democrats.

 

[Woodznutz]

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Means nothing. The Qur'an defines lying as telling an untruth to a muslim. It's perfectly acceptable to muslims to lie to Christians and Jews.




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Iran would pay a pretty large price for lying about opening the strait.

 

[Deadstick]

Oh brother. Yugoslavia? That's an excursion dude. Iran is NOT an excursion.

Remember Biden's wars? Obama's wars? Hasn't this Iran thing spilled over into other countries? How many wars has Trumps started? Now he demands the rest of the world help or else. How ridiculous is this becoming?

But, I think the world will come to his aid. He will stop sanctioning Russia. Why not? How dare we now after what we've done. The world should be sanctioning us. Except for the fact Iran has been a bad actor on the world stage. It's not like they are kind to Europe, Australia or England.

Iran's primary allies constitute the "Axis of Resistance," a network of state and non-state actors, including Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthi movement in Yemen, and various militias in Iraq, such as the Popular Mobilization Forces. Iran also has strategic partnerships with Russia and China.
Based on reports from early March 2026, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has received hundreds of complaints from U.S. service members alleging that military commanders are framing current military operations against Iran as the fulfillment of biblical, end-times prophecy.

Yugoslavia was anything but a excurssion, first time a European Capital Belgrade had been bombed since the Luftwaffe in WW2, and those bastards took part with NATO, as for Iran and the biblical prophecy, well it seems the US is ruled by a bunch of religious fruitcakes, Hegseth is covered in Crusader tattoos, they will be speaking in tongues and wrestling rattlesnakes next like those Southern Baptists, the other faction is the Dr Strangelove type, it's a worry that these unhinged nutters are running the show.

 

[Deadstick]

They've been attacking us since 1979.

But I have come to expect nothing less than full on anti-American Derangement Syndrome from democrats.

You mean when they overthrew your brutal Dictator the Shah?

 

[Woodznutz]

No, based on my comment, we must finish off the regime in the next few weeks as planned until they have nothing left to surrender with and people can walk in there and the citizenry can fight back and take back control of their country.

Last week, we already had Iran 90% of the way there.

Blocking the strait of Hormuz is a whole new game.

 

[rightwinger]

They've been attacking us since 1979.

But I have come to expect nothing less than full on anti-American Derangement Syndrome from democrats.

Being against stupid wars is not anti-American

My country right or wrong is Bullshit