One state solution - modified

[Phoenall]

I agree with that solution. It gives the Jews a few decades at least of a small overall majority.

Muslim/Christians

~3 M West Bank & East Jerusalem
~1.7 M Israel

4.7 M Muslim/Christians vs. 6 M Jews.

However, given the demographics, the non-Jews will eventually become the majority but it will be a problem for future generations to solve.

Besides demographic problems, there are financial ones as well. Annexing the West Bank means that all civilians there will becomes citizens of Israel. So that means Israel must set up resources like more schools for example. It would cost a shitload of money.

If both parties accepted a deal like this, the U.S. and Europe would be so relieved they would double or triple what is going to the Palestinians now. The combined state would make money.

Forget all about it, it is a no go as far as Israel is concerned. While they have upper hand Israel has to do nothing, but the P.A. has before people start dying.

 

[Phoenall]

Most One State solutions encompass the West Bank and Gaza, but my solution leaves out Gaza permanently. Israel would annex the entirety of the West Bank, as they have with Golan and East Jerusalem, and give all residents full Israeli citizenship.

to encourage this from the Jewish side, to lessen the demographic blow, offer full visas to all Palestinian families who wish to migrate to the US, UK, EU, Canada or Australia. They will take this very quickly by the hundreds of thousands. Thus, Israel no longer has much of a demographic problem, the walls come down, life if better for all people and the conflict is over.

gaza- do the same with regard to immigration visas. Then we will approach that area in a few decades.

This makes complete sense. Nothing has worked over 66 years, so a unique approach is required.

drop the ability to migrate to the US and I'd say okay.

To come to the US, they go through normal channels.

Much better to tell them they can all go home and watch them run for Saudi and Egypt.

 

[Phoenall]

Besides demographic problems, there are financial ones as well. Annexing the West Bank means that all civilians there will becomes citizens of Israel. So that means Israel must set up resources like more schools for example. It would cost a shitload of money.

If both parties accepted a deal like this, the U.S. and Europe would be so relieved they would double or triple what is going to the Palestinians now. The combined state would make money.

I would think that the money would stop...

Of course it would, as would the money from the USA and Iran, This is why the ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS are spouting this rubbish because the imams have seen the writing on the wall.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I agree with that solution. It gives the Jews a few decades at least of a small overall majority.

Muslim/Christians

~3 M West Bank & East Jerusalem
~1.7 M Israel

4.7 M Muslim/Christians vs. 6 M Jews.

However, given the demographics, the non-Jews will eventually become the majority but it will be a problem for future generations to solve.

Besides demographic problems, there are financial ones as well. Annexing the West Bank means that all civilians there will becomes citizens of Israel. So that means Israel must set up resources like more schools for example. It would cost a shitload of money.

Schools are cheaper than war.

 

[Phoenall]

the migration to the USA is key to the deal since that is the best nation. This way they are rewarded for leaving. Already the USA has about 50,000 Palestinians - taking 100,000 more would not be a bother.

Why should any nation take the terrorists from Palestine to cause trouble and violence in their country. Let an Islamic nation take them in.

 

[Phoenall]

schools already exist in the West Bank. YOu think the kids don't go to school now??
Nothing much will change on the ground, except they will be free. Freedom means a better economy and less need for aid. It's a win for everyone.

NOPE they will still be seen as enemies of Israel until they denounce all violence, terrorism and belligerence, and then hand over all their weapons.

 

[Phoenall]

If both parties accepted a deal like this, the U.S. and Europe would be so relieved they would double or triple what is going to the Palestinians now. The combined state would make money.

I would think that the money would stop...

I am sure that the U.S. and the E.U. would agree in writing that the funding would increase before the deal is actually signed. The I/P struggle costs the U.S. and the E.U much more than the money they contribute to the Palestinians.

Nope they would tell them to go to hell as they do not trust them anymore. Why do you think they are talking about stopping the aid .................................

 

[azai]

the plan is perfect with no flaws at all. Jews win because the Arabs are gone. Arabs win because they get the good life in the US , Canada and the West. Israel becomes one large nation with true democracy and human rights with freedom of movement for everyone.

 

[Lipush]

Most One State solutions encompass the West Bank and Gaza, but my solution leaves out Gaza permanently. Israel would annex the entirety of the West Bank, as they have with Golan and East Jerusalem, and give all residents full Israeli citizenship.

to encourage this from the Jewish side, to lessen the demographic blow, offer full visas to all Palestinian families who wish to migrate to the US, UK, EU, Canada or Australia. They will take this very quickly by the hundreds of thousands. Thus, Israel no longer has much of a demographic problem, the walls come down, life if better for all people and the conflict is over.

gaza- do the same with regard to immigration visas. Then we will approach that area in a few decades.

This makes complete sense. Nothing has worked over 66 years, so a unique approach is required.

 

[Lipush]

Abbas is irrelevant, so is the PA. Israel and the West should act unilaterally, nothing can stop them.

Dude, can I have some of what you're smoking?

 

[jillian]

Most One State solutions encompass the West Bank and Gaza, but my solution leaves out Gaza permanently. Israel would annex the entirety of the West Bank, as they have with Golan and East Jerusalem, and give all residents full Israeli citizenship.

to encourage this from the Jewish side, to lessen the demographic blow, offer full visas to all Palestinian families who wish to migrate to the US, UK, EU, Canada or Australia. They will take this very quickly by the hundreds of thousands. Thus, Israel no longer has much of a demographic problem, the walls come down, life if better for all people and the conflict is over.

gaza- do the same with regard to immigration visas. Then we will approach that area in a few decades.

This makes complete sense. Nothing has worked over 66 years, so a unique approach is required.

why don't you just say Israel should die to please terrorist supporters?

I have a unique approach.... the pals should decide to make peace.

how about that?

 

[Hossfly]

the plan is perfect with no flaws at all. Jews win because the Arabs are gone. Arabs win because they get the good life in the US , Canada and the West. Israel becomes one large nation with true democracy and human rights with freedom of movement for everyone.

What makes you think the US wants another herd of Palestinians moving in? They would just migrate to Boca Raton and make life miserable for the Jews all over again. That's what they did in Israel and now it's in their DNA.

 

[Hossfly]

It's amazing how folk here show that America is as misled and misinformed as ever.

Going by the pictures its not the young generation, who are smarter, slightly better informed people (rather than 'educated' which has the unnerving inference of being imposed, rather than gathered), and bringing change already.

The good news is the loud noises here are the worst that America generates. It can only get better.

Who is being misled and misinformed? Israel is under the microscopic eye of every creep in the world and they conduct themselves accordingly. The misleading and misinformation is conducted by the Arab press and media and by the shenannigans of Pallywood and the sad thing is the world eats that shit up.And the BS is further pushed by the Islamonazi terrorist supporters and foot kissers on this forum.

 

[Beelzebub]

"Israel is under the microscopic eye of every creep in the world and they conduct themselves accordingly."

And thank goodness they are.
Even with massive surveillance on the IDF we have their politicians calling for a Holocaust to be delivered on Gaza, massive fire bombing campaigns on civilian areas and systematic arrest, imprisonment and abuse of children in the Occupied Territories.

All that apart from the across the board suppression of Palestinian economic activity, theft of water, gas and land resources, destruction of housing, settlement expansions, settler abuse, roadblocks, killings of unarmed farm workers and land thefts.

What would they do if we were NOT watching?
Makes you shiver to think.

 

[Hossfly]

"Israel is under the microscopic eye of every creep in the world and they conduct themselves accordingly."

And thank goodness they are.
Even with massive surveillance on the IDF we have their politicians calling for a Holocaust to be delivered on Gaza, massive fire bombing campaigns on civilian areas and systematic arrest, imprisonment and abuse of children in the Occupied Territories.

All that apart from the across the board suppression of Palestinian economic activity, theft of water, gas and land resources, destruction of housing, settlement expansions, settler abuse, roadblocks, killings of unarmed farm workers and land thefts.

What would they do if we were NOT watching?
Makes you shiver to think.

Remind me not to visit Israel until that mess is cleaned up. Sounds like a violently dangerous place.

 

[Lipush]

Meh.

A Jewish state is a racist state.
We all know it is racist already, but there is no need to give it a blessing to be so.

No civilised state is about one ethnicity. No civilised state would try to be. Unless you want to compare Israel to Nazi Germany, which wanted to be an Aryan state.

Actually, proudveteran06, I take your point. There ARE similarities.
Good call.

That's such a lie. Israel is one of the most heterogeneous states in the world.

You're just another hater.

 

[Sally]

It's amazing how folk here show that America is as misled and misinformed as ever.

Going by the pictures its not the young generation, who are smarter, slightly better informed people (rather than 'educated' which has the unnerving inference of being imposed, rather than gathered), and bringing change already.

The good news is the loud noises here are the worst that America generates. It can only get better.

And you know this from your vast experience of posting here??

Well, as I mentioned, I've looked in on US sites a few time, over time. The names change but the characters are pretty much the same. One called Old Marine Vet, and New Yorker could so easily be Hossfly.

There is usually so much wrong in the discussions, its not worth beginning to correct them.
I see there are new voices now. And plenty more in other US media too.

Things are looking up for you.

We can also say that. Over the yerars the screen names change, but it is still the same old, same old that viewers have heard from these different screen names ad nauseam. Hmm, wonder what your screen name was previously. Surely you didn't think of yourself as being Mr. Lucifer all the years.

 

[proudveteran06]

Meh.

A Jewish state is a racist state.
We all know it is racist already, but there is no need to give it a blessing to be so.

No civilised state is about one ethnicity. No civilised state would try to be. Unless you want to compare Israel to Nazi Germany, which wanted to be an Aryan state.

Actually, proudveteran06, I take your point. There ARE similarities.
Good call.

It's " racist" to have a primarily Jewish State with Arabs and Christians but not Racist to have a Palestinian State forbidding all Israelis whether they be Jewish or Arab? There are many other Arab/ Muslim Countries that forbid practice of any other religion. Christians , Hindus and others have died at the hands of the Uncivilized Muslim Savages.

I agree. No civilized State is about one ethnicity unlike the future " palestinian state" . Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany ?


Nazi concentration camps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel | Jewish Virtual Library


Don't like it? GOOD !!!

 

[Sally]

"Israel is under the microscopic eye of every creep in the world and they conduct themselves accordingly."

And thank goodness they are.
Even with massive surveillance on the IDF we have their politicians calling for a Holocaust to be delivered on Gaza, massive fire bombing campaigns on civilian areas and systematic arrest, imprisonment and abuse of children in the Occupied Territories.

All that apart from the across the board suppression of Palestinian economic activity, theft of water, gas and land resources, destruction of housing, settlement expansions, settler abuse, roadblocks, killings of unarmed farm workers and land thefts.

What would they do if we were NOT watching?
Makes you shiver to think.

Remind me not to visit Israel until that mess is cleaned up. Sounds like a violently dangerous place.

Go to Tel Aviv. I hear that place rocks. Maybe Mr. Lucifer is actually talking about Syria which we know if a very violent place to visit right now. However, Hossfly, you have to admit that Mr. Lucifer is pulling up the same old stuff. I guess some reinforcements were brought in to do this, but I don't think the majority of readers are stupid enough to believe their nonsense.

 

[montelatici]

Well it looks like the zionutters don't want a two-state solution and don't want a one-state solution with a Jew majority for decades. Do you just want to kill all the non-Jews, Christians and Muslims? Will that make you happy.