Oil discoveries dispel "Peak Oil" as myth

[psikeyhackr]

It may postpone Peak Oil, more likely it will only slow the decline, but the fact of the matter is that since the oil in the planet must be finite Peak Oil is a logical inevitability. It is only a question of WHEN!

The bizarre thing is that people can deny the logically obvious.

psik

 

[KissMy]

But it isn't much of a point.

So is Earth the one and only place in the solar system than needs dead dinosaurs to make ethane, methane, et al.?

No, dead plants will do, dead salamanders are fine, dead butterflies.

Earth made methane without biomatter too billions of years ago. So do comets.You only need biomatter to make complex hydrocarbons some of which have millions of atoms in a single molecule, like buckyballs. And you need lots of heat and pressure and a lotta time. And you need some mechanism to trap these materials within the crust to process them.

But if you are asserting that crazy self replenishing oil theory, abiotic oil, then you have screws loose. Just sayin.

So just how big of a pile of plants, dinos & other animals did it take to create the Ghawar oil field in Saudi Arabia?

How was it possible to get that many dinosaurs to pile up so high & deep in that spot?

Why has Ghawar already produced far more oil than was assessed to be recoverable & still producing big-time?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But it isn't much of a point.

So is Earth the one and only place in the solar system than needs dead dinosaurs to make ethane, methane, et al.?

No, dead plants will do, dead salamanders are fine, dead butterflies.

Earth made methane without biomatter too billions of years ago. So do comets.You only need biomatter to make complex hydrocarbons some of which have millions of atoms in a single molecule, like buckyballs. And you need lots of heat and pressure and a lotta time. And you need some mechanism to trap these materials within the crust to process them.

But if you are asserting that crazy self replenishing oil theory, abiotic oil, then you have screws loose. Just sayin.

LOL

This is funny.

Methane CH4, is a "Fossil fuel" on Earth but guess what? On Titan and everywhere else it's still CH4 and NOT a fossil fuel.

You got the heat and pressure part right but how much time do you think it take and --- why? lol

Your "Millions of atom" molecules were made in a lab that the Republicans must have exported to Titan.

 

[mdn2000]

But it isn't much of a point.

So is Earth the one and only place in the solar system than needs dead dinosaurs to make ethane, methane, et al.?

There is also carbon dioxide on Titan. What does that mean?

In 1996, ethane was detected in Comet Hyakutake,[6] and it has since been detected in some other comets. The existence of ethane in these distant solar system bodies may implicate ethane as a primordial component of the solar nebula from which the sun and planets are believed to have formed.

Ethane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A "component" of fossil fuel is NOT considered "fossil fuel". Do you understand the difference?

Def of com·po·nent:
Any of the minimum number of substances required to specify completely the composition of all phases of a chemical system.

I am glad you asked, What carbon dioxide on the moon of Titan means, being that its -290 Fahrenheit, that CO2 caused global cooling, or in Saturn's case, moon cooling.

 

[Samson]

Get real, it is a hard and fast certainty that if humans keep consuming oil in vast quantities, but especially in exponentially increasing quantities, that peak oil will occur.

Same with peak coal and peak tar sands and peak copper, peak rare earth minerals, peak uranium, etc, etc.

It is mathematically impossible to be otherwise.

The resource pool is finite, our consumption curve is tending toward the infinite, do the math.

"Mathematically Impossible?"

REALLY? I did not know that every parameter had been identified to construct a perfect mathematical model? Where is it? If it exists, then you should be able to predict the price of oil tomorrow: What will it be?

I AM aware that "social science" loves to justify themselves by borrowing from the physical sciences. Most of the absurdity of "Peak Oil" derived from "exponentially increasing equations" finds justification in SOME physical science models. It works well enough, unless you actually know something about math. However, a little knowledge is dangerous.

Part parabolic equation could be said to be linear.

that was gibberish.

When consumption of a finite resource escalates exponentially the resource will eventually be consumed.

DUH!

Any argument to the contrary is futile.

NO ONE IS SAYING IT WILL LAST FOREVER.

Obviously you are not very well aquainted with the whole "Peak Oilist Arguement" = There will be no plateau, there will be a sudden, catastrophic dramatic decline in the availability of global fossil fuels.

ONLY because the graph of consuption vs time appears to be "exponential."

This works well for most sociology students who have never taken more math than College Algebra, but for anyone who has taken Calculus, it is absurd.

Perhaps a simple illustration will suffice:

 

[JiggsCasey]

NO ONE IS SAYING IT WILL LAST FOREVER.

Obviously you are not very well aquainted with the whole "Peak Oilist Arguement" = There will be no plateau, there will be a sudden, catastrophic dramatic decline in the availability of global fossil fuels.

What an unrivaled douche.

You can't even represent our argument accurately. Anyone who advocates peak understands the plateau (which we are currently on).... No one said anything about any "sudden, catastrophic decline" in supply, liar. The supply decline will be slow, while the economic ramifications will magnify.

The only thing sudden would be the ramifications of war (trade war, or military war) in advance of global financial panic, the risk of which grows with every passing month.

I'll address the rest of your emptiness later. Suffice to say, you can't counter the data. All you have are smarmy cartoons and irrelevant anecdotes. You're out of your league on this topic, evidenced months ago.

The difference between 40 years ago and today is that 40 years ago, "doomers" were incorrectly interpreting geologists data. Today, geologists themselves are telling us the ramifications of their data. Stop lying about a subject you obviously have no idea about.

You come off sounding like a hope-based creationist. And an arrogant ass.

 

[uscitizen]

much of geology is theory.

 

[Samson]

NO ONE IS SAYING IT WILL LAST FOREVER.

Obviously you are not very well aquainted with the whole "Peak Oilist Arguement" = There will be no plateau, there will be a sudden, catastrophic dramatic decline in the availability of global fossil fuels.

What an unrivaled douche.

You can't even represent our argument accurately. Anyone who advocates peak understands the plateau (which we are currently on).... No one said anything about any "sudden, catastrophic decline" in supply, liar. The supply decline will be slow, while the economic ramifications will magnify.

The only thing sudden would be the ramifications of war

(trade war, or military war) in advance of global financial panic, the risk of which grows with every passing month.

I'll address the rest of your emptiness later. Suffice to say, you can't counter the data. All you have are smarmy cartoons and irrelevant anecdotes. You're out of your league on this topic, evidenced months ago.

The difference between 40 years ago and today is that 40 years ago, "doomers" were incorrectly interpreting geologists data. Today, geologists themselves are telling us the ramifications of their data.

Stop lying about a subject you obviously have no idea about.

You come off sounding like a hope-based creationist.

And an arrogant ass.

War, Financial Panic!!!

For Christssakes, pull yourself together, dude.

 

[Mr. H.]

After 4 pots of coffee and 36 hours of nonstop research, Tesla inadvertently invents the pee coil.

 

[loosecannon]

So is Earth the one and only place in the solar system than needs dead dinosaurs to make ethane, methane, et al.?

No, dead plants will do, dead salamanders are fine, dead butterflies.

Earth made methane without biomatter too billions of years ago. So do comets.You only need biomatter to make complex hydrocarbons some of which have millions of atoms in a single molecule, like buckyballs. And you need lots of heat and pressure and a lotta time. And you need some mechanism to trap these materials within the crust to process them.

But if you are asserting that crazy self replenishing oil theory, abiotic oil, then you have screws loose. Just sayin.

LOL

This is funny.

Methane CH4, is a "Fossil fuel" on Earth but guess what? On Titan and everywhere else it's still CH4 and NOT a fossil fuel.

You got the heat and pressure part right but how much time do you think it take and --- why? lol

Your "Millions of atom" molecules were made in a lab that the Republicans must have exported to Titan.

They occur in petro chemicals

By means of high-resoluton transmission electron microscopy, both C60 and C70 fullerenes have been found in a, carbon-rich Precambrian rock from Russia The fullerenes were confirmed by Fourier transform mass spectrometry with both laser desorption and thermal desorption/electron-capture methods to verify that the fullerenes were indeed present in the geological sample and were not generated by the laser ionization event. The mass spectra were measured under conditions sufficient to resolve the 13C/12C isotopic ratios for C60 and C70 and indicate that these ratios correspond to the normal range of isotopic values.

*
o Received for publication 15 June 1992.
o Accepted for publication 19 June 1992.

Fullerenes from the Geological Environment | Science/AAAS

 

[loosecannon]

So is Earth the one and only place in the solar system than needs dead dinosaurs to make ethane, methane, et al.?

No, dead plants will do, dead salamanders are fine, dead butterflies.

Earth made methane without biomatter too billions of years ago. So do comets.You only need biomatter to make complex hydrocarbons some of which have millions of atoms in a single molecule, like buckyballs. And you need lots of heat and pressure and a lotta time. And you need some mechanism to trap these materials within the crust to process them.

But if you are asserting that crazy self replenishing oil theory, abiotic oil, then you have screws loose. Just sayin.

So just how big of a pile of plants, dinos & other animals did it take to create the Ghawar oil field in Saudi Arabia?

How was it possible to get that many dinosaurs to pile up so high & deep in that spot?

Why has Ghawar already produced far more oil than was assessed to be recoverable & still producing big-time?

Have you ever heard about the carboniferous period?

Carboniferous - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JiggsCasey]

War, Financial Panic!!!

For Christssakes, pull yourself together, dude.

It's official. You have absolutely no grasp of what's going on in the world today, and instead insist on acting like a smarmy ass with a perpetual "nothing to see here" outlook on the symptoms all around us.

Read a newspaper.

U.S.-China trade war feared

Time: Is the world in a trade war?

U.S. Dollar Collapse Has Fueled Inflation Trade Mania

Arab states have launched secret moves with China, Russia and France to stop using the US currency for oil trading

Get a clue.

 

[mdn2000]

The peak oil theory is dead.

Occidental Petroleum's Path to Easy Oil - Forbes.com

Now Occidental ( OXY - news - people ) is breaking ranks in another way, by upsetting the commonplace view that the days of "easy oil" in the U.S. are over. Last year Oxy announced a new find outside Bakersfield, in Kern County, Calif., which is shaping up to be the biggest onshore oil discovery the U.S. has seen in three decades. It likely holds more than 1 billion barrels of oil (and natural gas equivalents) that will be easy and cheap to extract

That the gusher is situated in a hydrocarbon basin that has been picked over for 100 years validates the philosophy extolled by Oxy President Steven Chazen and Chief Executive Ray R. Irani: The best place to find new oil is in old oilfields.

 

[loosecannon]

It likely holds more than 1 billion barrels of oil

iow a 50 day supply for the US and enough to satisfy current global demand for 12.5 days.



underwhelming.

shaping up to be the biggest onshore oil discovery the U.S. has seen in three decades

even more underwhelming that the biggest onshore find in decades is only enough to last 50 days..... or less than 1/2 of 1% of what we require to sustain our energy profile.

 

[mdn2000]

It likely holds more than 1 billion barrels of oil

iow a 50 day supply for the US and enough to satisfy current global demand for 12.5 days.



underwhelming.

shaping up to be the biggest onshore oil discovery the U.S. has seen in three decades

even more underwhelming that the biggest onshore find in decades is only enough to last 50 days..... or less than 1/2 of 1% of what we require to sustain our energy profile.

Nice way to twist reality.

The Kern oil fields have been producing oil since the last CENTURY. This new discovery will take decades to deplete. Thats right, this oil find will be producing oil for decades, as the Kern Oil Deposits have produced oil for over fifty years.

50 days, ha, ha, ha., only an asshole political hack would describe a supply of oil that has been productive decades as being useful for 50 days.

 

[loosecannon]

and only an imbecile would miss my point.

Despite the fact that the puny Kern oilfield may take decades to deplete, the total volume of oil it will produce over those decades only = what we consume in 50 days at present consumption rates of 20 million bbl/day.

At least according to your article:

It likely holds more than 1 billion barrels of oil

For the thinking impaired 1 x 10(9)/2 x 10(7) = 50.

But it may be less than a 50 day supply as the article qualified it's assessment with the word "likely".

Likely is one of those maleable qualifiers: "it may be one billion (or it may be only 25,000)".

 

[mdn2000]

Producing oil for decades, Kern County is one of the richest oil fields in the USA. A fifty day supply yet it takes over fifty years to deplete.

The newest find was a gusher, in an old oil field thought to be dwindling. That is the significance, not the amount.

Still 50 days of oil takes 50 years to deplete, does not sound logical does it. There is no difference in intelligence between the average citizen and the average scientist, at least the citizen has the courage and ability to go out and work, many professors are so weak and devoid of brilliance they never leave the university, government parasites.

I Loosecannon is quoting a professor. How about a link Loosecannon, show us where you found your idea. Link to the expert so I can show its a professor or scientist working for the government at a university, I would bet this dumb ass professor is leeching off a university in California.

So lets wait and see if Loosecannon will link, after all, I did.

 

[loosecannon]

You are catastrophically stupid md20.

Your own link said

It likely holds more than 1 billion barrels of oil

While the US uses 20 million barrels of oil every single day. That is common knowledge, do you need a link to it?

1 billion divided by 20 million = 50 days of oil at our current consumption levels.

You can't possibly be so dumb as to not be capable of the math can you?

U.S. Petroleum Consumption
18,771,000 barrels/day

Oil: Crude and Petroleum Products - Energy Explained, Your Guide To Understanding Energy

Well it's a recession we are using 10% less than we were a few years ago. So this discovery represents a 55 day supply for the US.

 

[mdn2000]

You are catastrophically stupid md20.

Your own link said

It likely holds more than 1 billion barrels of oil

While the US uses 20 million barrels of oil every single day. That is common knowledge, do you need a link to it?

1 billion divided by 20 million = 50 days of oil at our current consumption levels.

You can't possibly be so dumb as to not be capable of the math can you?

U.S. Petroleum Consumption
18,771,000 barrels/day

Oil: Crude and Petroleum Products - Energy Explained, Your Guide To Understanding Energy

Well it's a recession we are using 10% less than we were a few years ago. So this discovery represents a 55 day supply for the US.

Fifty days yet it produces for decades, fifty days yet the BP disaster lasted how long.

We should all stop using oil today, right, we only have two months worth of oil left in the world, why bother drilling and exploring for more. I best start hording oil.

You are an Oilphobic

I like that, MD20, mad dog 20/20. wish I would of thought of that.

 

[KissMy]

So just how big of a pile of plants, dinos & other animals did it take to create the Ghawar oil field in Saudi Arabia?

How was it possible to get that many dinosaurs to pile up so high & deep in that spot?

Why has Ghawar already produced far more oil than was assessed to be recoverable & still producing big-time?

Have you ever heard about the carboniferous period?

Carboniferous - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All I know is geologist & Matt Simmons did not say the formation was made from dead animals or plants. They said it was made from "poop pellets", something like rabbit shit. That means it is a big pile of shit 175 miles long, 15 miles wide & 1,300 ft thick. I find this shit very hard to believe.