Oil discoveries dispel "Peak Oil" as myth

[uscitizen]

And the USA exports over 1.5 million bbls oil daily. That means what?

I seem to recall one of the chicken little cult reminding me most of that was in specialty oil products like fuel and solvents, not fuel.

Lots of WD-40.

Yep I checked back and most of it is refined products but not including WD40 level of finished products. However we do export crude from CA and Alaska.
And we import far more oil derivitives than we export.
Most of our imported gasoline is from european countries. go figure, those socialist countries can produce it cheap enough for us to import and resell it here?

 

[KissMy]

Increase in rate of use does not mean more magically appears to replace it. If I drive faster, i burn more gas. All that means is I run out faster.

Is anyone arguing that fossil fuel is a renewable resource?

No.

The arguement from the "Peak Oil" kooks has been, for the past 30 years, that any year now, fossil fuels will suddenly disappear.

And every year for the past 30 years, they've been proven to be kooks, and they all agree that "the SKY ISN'T FALLING.....YET! but that if you wait another 5 years, just wait, AGAIN, their predictions will eventually come true."

Despite being wrong, over and over again, they love playing chicken-little.

Its a symptom of attention whoring (younger generations have never heard the 30-year-old stale tale, and university professors hate to change their lectures), and severe symptoms of mental illness that manifests itself in all OCD.

30 years hell, try at least 91 years.!!!

In 1919 the director of the U.S. Bureau of Mines predicted that "within the next two to five years the oil fields of this country will reach their maximum production, and from that time on we will face an ever-increasing decline."

That same year, National Geographic magazine predicted that oil shales in Colorado and Utah would be exploited to produce oil, because the demand for oil could not be met by existing production.

In January 1920, Dr. George Otis Smith, Director of the United States Geological Survey, in commenting upon our oil supply stated: "The position of the United States in regard to oil can best be characterized as precarious."

In May 1920, Dr. Smith said: "Americans will have to depend on foreign sources or use less oil, or perhaps both.

In 1920, David White, of the United States Geological Survey, stated: "On the whole, therefore, we must expect that, unless our consumption is checked, we shall by 1925 be dependent on foreign oil fields to the extent of 150,000,000 barrels and possibly as much as 200,000,000 of crude each year, except insofar as the situation may at that time, perhaps, be helped to a slight extent by shale oil. Add to this probability that within 5 years--perhaps 3 years only--our domestic production will begin to fall off with increasing rapidity, due to the exhaustion of our reserves"

 

[Samson]

Most of our imported gasoline is from european countries. go figure, those socialist countries can produce it cheap enough for us to import and resell it here?

Source?

 

[Samson]

Increase in rate of use does not mean more magically appears to replace it. If I drive faster, i burn more gas. All that means is I run out faster.

Is anyone arguing that fossil fuel is a renewable resource?

No.

The arguement from the "Peak Oil" kooks has been, for the past 30 years, that any year now, fossil fuels will suddenly disappear.

And every year for the past 30 years, they've been proven to be kooks, and they all agree that "the SKY ISN'T FALLING.....YET! but that if you wait another 5 years, just wait, AGAIN, their predictions will eventually come true."

Despite being wrong, over and over again, they love playing chicken-little.

Its a symptom of attention whoring (younger generations have never heard the 30-year-old stale tale, and university professors hate to change their lectures), and severe symptoms of mental illness that manifests itself in all OCD.

30 years hell, try at least 91 years.!!!

They're mentally ill.



No reason to rub their faces in it.

 

[Big Fitz]

And the USA exports over 1.5 million bbls oil daily. That means what?

I seem to recall one of the chicken little cult reminding me most of that was in specialty oil products like fuel and solvents, not fuel.

Lots of WD-40.

Yep I checked back and most of it is refined products but not including WD40 level of finished products. However we do export crude from CA and Alaska.
And we import far more oil derivitives than we export.
Most of our imported gasoline is from european countries. go figure, those socialist countries can produce it cheap enough for us to import and resell it here?

And we're talking European OWNED wells. There's not many wells in the Netherlands (which is where Shell is based IIRC). BP still has lots of north sea rigs at least, but it's not like there is a well in Devonshire.

And if you look at the graphs, Mexico and Canada export the most oil of all sources to us. Gotta love them tar sands.

 

[JBeukema]

The arguement from the "Peak Oil" kooks has been, for the past 30 years, that any year now, fossil fuels will suddenly disappear.

nice strawman

 

[JiggsCasey]

Increase in rate of use does not mean more magically appears to replace it. If I drive faster, i burn more gas. All that means is I run out faster.

Is anyone arguing that fossil fuel is a renewable resource?

No.

The arguement from the "Peak Oil" kooks has been, for the past 30 years, that any year now, fossil fuels will suddenly disappear.

And every year for the past 30 years, they've been proven to be kooks, and they all agree that "the SKY ISN'T FALLING.....YET! but that if you wait another 5 years, just wait, AGAIN, their predictions will eventually come true."

Despite being wrong, over and over again, they love playing chicken-little.

Its a symptom of attention whoring (younger generations have never heard the 30-year-old stale tale, and university professors hate to change their lectures), and severe symptoms of mental illness that manifests itself in all OCD.

Yes, you used this tired premise months ago, and then you had to bail when it was shown to be complete bunk. Conflate much? Tool.

But, no matter. You're obviously much smarter than the "kooks" at IEA, the U.S. Dept. of Energy, Oxford Univ., the British and German governments, the Joint Chiefs, the CEO of Total, and on and on and on. You know better. Yet, somehow, you spend endless hours on a internet message board, where your "smarts" are best served.

Coming up on 13 thousand posts? Holy bloviation, bat man.

They've always been correct about peak. Hubbert's model says peak always happens 40 years after peak discovery. That was the case for U.S. production, Mexican, North Sea, Indonesia, etc. etc. etc. Global peak discovery occured in the mid 1960s. Your straw man of what those "kooks" above assert isn't doing anything for your tired, Frank Drebbin-like, "nothing to see here" guess work.

When it comes to world energy, supply totals and consumption rates: You .... don't.... know... what.... you're.... talking.... about. ....

And you can't stand that fact, so you just act like a smarmy, condescending ass all the time, offering zero substance to back your hollow claims.

Gluttonous flat-earthers like you are gonna fall the hardest, and that's what makes it all at least somewhat tolerable.

 

[loosecannon]

Pure speculation addled with premature optimism and self obsorbtion.

This pretty much encompasses all speculation.

Point?

You are of course correct and that was my point. We speculated about water on Mars and couldn't reach conclusive certainty until long after we landed a rover on the surface, some on this board still reject the idea that there is water on Mars.

And the article used to assert the presence of ethane on this moon is chock full of undermining qualifiers.

We think there is ethane on this moon, we sure don't know it yet.

 

[Samson]

Pure speculation addled with premature optimism and self obsorbtion.

This pretty much encompasses all speculation.

Point?

You are of course correct and that was my point. We speculated about water on Mars and couldn't reach conclusive certainty until long after we landed a rover on the surface, some on this board still reject the idea that there is water on Mars.

And the article used to assert the presence of ethane on this moon is chock full of undermining qualifiers.

We think there is ethane on this moon, we sure don't know it yet.

Well, the problem with ethane on the moon is that it is (maybe) on the moon.

And if we haven't been able to build a new refinery in the USA in the past 60 years, I doubt anyone is going to put a reformer on the moon.

 

[mdn2000]

Increase in rate of use does not mean more magically appears to replace it. If I drive faster, i burn more gas. All that means is I run out faster.

Is anyone arguing that fossil fuel is a renewable resource?

No.

The arguement from the "Peak Oil" kooks has been, for the past 30 years, that any year now, fossil fuels will suddenly disappear.

And every year for the past 30 years, they've been proven to be kooks, and they all agree that "the SKY ISN'T FALLING.....YET! but that if you wait another 5 years, just wait, AGAIN, their predictions will eventually come true."

Despite being wrong, over and over again, they love playing chicken-little.

Its a symptom of attention whoring (younger generations have never heard the 30-year-old stale tale, and university professors hate to change their lectures), and severe symptoms of mental illness that manifests itself in all OCD.

Yes, you used this tired premise months ago, and then you had to bail when it was shown to be complete bunk. Conflate much? Tool.

But, no matter. You're obviously much smarter than the "kooks" at IEA, the U.S. Dept. of Energy, Oxford Univ., the British and German governments, the Joint Chiefs, the CEO of Total, and on and on and on. You know better. Yet, somehow, you spend endless hours on a internet message board, where your "smarts" are best served.

Coming up on 13 thousand posts? Holy bloviation, bat man.

They've always been correct about peak. Hubbert's model says peak always happens 40 years after peak discovery. That was the case for U.S. production, Mexican, North Sea, Indonesia, etc. etc. etc. Global peak discovery occured in the mid 1960s. Your straw man of what those "kooks" above assert isn't doing anything for your tired, Frank Drebbin-like, "nothing to see here" guess work.

When it comes to world energy, supply totals and consumption rates: You .... don't.... know... what.... you're.... talking.... about. ....

And you can't stand that fact, so you just act like a smarmy, condescending ass all the time, offering zero substance to back your hollow claims.

Gluttonous flat-earthers like you are gonna fall the hardest, and that's what makes it all at least somewhat tolerable.

Funny, everyone you mention stands to profit if they are to be believed. Imagine, Total, oil company right, wants the public to believe we are at the peak, production, supply, known reserves, either way as long as people believe Total's claim, the price per barrel of oil will be perceived as of greater value.

How about that BP well in the gulf, so much damned oil it blew up and could hardly be contained.

I wonder how much longer this peak will last, most likely hundreds of thousands of years.

 

[Samson]

Increase in rate of use does not mean more magically appears to replace it. If I drive faster, i burn more gas. All that means is I run out faster.

Is anyone arguing that fossil fuel is a renewable resource?

No.

The arguement from the "Peak Oil" kooks has been, for the past 30 years, that any year now, fossil fuels will suddenly disappear.

And every year for the past 30 years, they've been proven to be kooks, and they all agree that "the SKY ISN'T FALLING.....YET! but that if you wait another 5 years, just wait, AGAIN, their predictions will eventually come true."

Despite being wrong, over and over again, they love playing chicken-little.

Its a symptom of attention whoring (younger generations have never heard the 30-year-old stale tale, and university professors hate to change their lectures), and severe symptoms of mental illness that manifests itself in all OCD.

Yes, you used this tired premise months ago, and then you had to bail when it was shown to be complete bunk. Conflate much? Tool.

The only Tired Premise is that of "Peak Oil."

But continue blithering away, if it amuses you.

 

[Samson]

Is anyone arguing that fossil fuel is a renewable resource?

No.

The arguement from the "Peak Oil" kooks has been, for the past 30 years, that any year now, fossil fuels will suddenly disappear.

And every year for the past 30 years, they've been proven to be kooks, and they all agree that "the SKY ISN'T FALLING.....YET! but that if you wait another 5 years, just wait, AGAIN, their predictions will eventually come true."

Despite being wrong, over and over again, they love playing chicken-little.

Its a symptom of attention whoring (younger generations have never heard the 30-year-old stale tale, and university professors hate to change their lectures), and severe symptoms of mental illness that manifests itself in all OCD.

Yes, you used this tired premise months ago, and then you had to bail when it was shown to be complete bunk. Conflate much? Tool.

But, no matter. You're obviously much smarter than the "kooks" at IEA, the U.S. Dept. of Energy, Oxford Univ., the British and German governments, the Joint Chiefs, the CEO of Total, and on and on and on. You know better. Yet, somehow, you spend endless hours on a internet message board, where your "smarts" are best served.

Coming up on 13 thousand posts? Holy bloviation, bat man.

They've always been correct about peak. Hubbert's model says peak always happens 40 years after peak discovery. That was the case for U.S. production, Mexican, North Sea, Indonesia, etc. etc. etc. Global peak discovery occured in the mid 1960s. Your straw man of what those "kooks" above assert isn't doing anything for your tired, Frank Drebbin-like, "nothing to see here" guess work.

When it comes to world energy, supply totals and consumption rates: You .... don't.... know... what.... you're.... talking.... about. ....

And you can't stand that fact, so you just act like a smarmy, condescending ass all the time, offering zero substance to back your hollow claims.

Gluttonous flat-earthers like you are gonna fall the hardest, and that's what makes it all at least somewhat tolerable.

Funny, everyone you mention stands to profit if they are to be believed. Imagine, Total, oil company right, wants the public to believe we are at the peak, production, supply, known reserves, either way as long as people believe Total's claim, the price per barrel of oil will be perceived as of greater value.

How about that BP well in the gulf, so much damned oil it blew up and could hardly be contained.

I wonder how much longer this peak will last, most likely hundreds of thousands of years.

I hope not.

The Oil Peakers will need to start preserving their heads in suspended animation so that they can re-emerge waving their Master's Thesis with which they impressed their Sociology Professor in 1985.

 

[loosecannon]

The only Tired Premise is that of "Peak Oil."

But continue blithering away, if it amuses you.

Get real, it is a hard and fast certainty that if humans keep consuming oil in vast quantities, but especially in exponentially increasing quantities, that peak oil will occur.

Same with peak coal and peak tar sands and peak copper, peak rare earth minerals, peak uranium, etc, etc.

It is mathematically impossible to be otherwise.

The resource pool is finite, our consumption curve is tending toward the infinite, do the math.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The obvious point about the ethane lake on Titan is that it is abiotic, that is, is did not require any "Fossil" to make-- and Earth is no different.

 

[Big Fitz]

The only Tired Premise is that of "Peak Oil."

But continue blithering away, if it amuses you.

After 40 years later, and dozens of deadlines of running out of oil have been passed...

and people like jiggles STILL believe this fantasy is imminent and nothing can be done to slow it down, change it's course or save us unless we give up on the idea of a scientific reasoned western civilization.

 

[Samson]

The only Tired Premise is that of "Peak Oil."

But continue blithering away, if it amuses you.

Get real, it is a hard and fast certainty that if humans keep consuming oil in vast quantities, but especially in exponentially increasing quantities, that peak oil will occur.

Same with peak coal and peak tar sands and peak copper, peak rare earth minerals, peak uranium, etc, etc.

It is mathematically impossible to be otherwise.

The resource pool is finite, our consumption curve is tending toward the infinite, do the math.

"Mathematically Impossible?"

REALLY? I did not know that every parameter had been identified to construct a perfect mathematical model? Where is it? If it exists, then you should be able to predict the price of oil tomorrow: What will it be?

I AM aware that "social science" loves to justify themselves by borrowing from the physical sciences. Most of the absurdity of "Peak Oil" derived from "exponentially increasing equations" finds justification in SOME physical science models. It works well enough, unless you actually know something about math. However, a little knowledge is dangerous.

Part parabolic equation could be said to be linear.

 

[Samson]

The only Tired Premise is that of "Peak Oil."

But continue blithering away, if it amuses you.

After 40 years later, and dozens of deadlines of running out of oil have been passed...

and people like jiggles STILL believe this fantasy is imminent and nothing can be done to slow it down, change it's course or save us unless we give up on the idea of a scientific reasoned western civilization.

Please, you'll ruin Jiggs justification for being medicated.

I'm sure he wrote a term paper for a teacher, or professor, who was one of many wild-eyed libs back in the 60-70's. He became the teacher's pet. A very close relationship developed that he can only reanimate through his Obsessive Compulsion about "Peak Oil" which has now become a serious disorder.

 

[Big Fitz]

The only Tired Premise is that of "Peak Oil."

But continue blithering away, if it amuses you.

After 40 years later, and dozens of deadlines of running out of oil have been passed...

and people like jiggles STILL believe this fantasy is imminent and nothing can be done to slow it down, change it's course or save us unless we give up on the idea of a scientific reasoned western civilization.

Please, you'll ruin Jiggs justification for being medicated.

I'm sure he wrote a term paper for a teacher, or professor, who was one of many wild-eyed libs back in the 60-70's. He became the teacher's pet. A very close relationship developed that he can only reanimate through his Obsessive Compulsion about "Peak Oil" which has now become a serious disorder.

Or it's an LSD flashback from all those days with Abby Hoffmann and the Yippies getting extra-conscious and understanding the deeper meanings of the universe while proliferating anarchy for the sake of socialism.

 

[Mr. H.]

The only Tired Premise is that of "Peak Oil."

But continue blithering away, if it amuses you.

Get real, it is a hard and fast certainty that if humans keep consuming oil in vast quantities, but especially in exponentially increasing quantities, that peak oil will occur.

Same with peak coal and peak tar sands and peak copper, peak rare earth minerals, peak uranium, etc, etc.

It is mathematically impossible to be otherwise.

The resource pool is finite, our consumption curve is tending toward the infinite, do the math.

Don't forget...


...peak hour.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKKUMsQHHjk[/ame]

 

[JiggsCasey]

Funny, everyone you mention stands to profit if they are to be believed. Imagine, Total, oil company right, wants the public to believe we are at the peak, production, supply, known reserves, either way as long as people believe Total's claim, the price per barrel of oil will be perceived as of greater value.

Exxon and Chevron denies it. So there goes that premise that Big Oil wants it.

How about that BP well in the gulf, so much damned oil it blew up and could hardly be contained.

Emptiness. The Macondo Prospect held 55 million barrels, total. That's enough energy to get us through about 2/3 of a day at current consumption rates. Hardly proof of "plenty".

Do better.

I wonder how much longer this peak will last, most likely hundreds of thousands of years.

Peak is already here. Terminal decline will begin by roughly 2015. Evidenced by the rising price of fuel today, the price of food, the geopolitical climate and the geological data which shows that new discoveries are not keeping up with dying capacity.

As for your allies here relying on personal ridicule, and utterly unable to counter the data (that assclown Samson foremost among them), that's fine. Keep your focus on me, and keep ducking the reality of the global energy crisis that is on our doorstep. You all represent the kinds of people in power who are the real doomers, stalling progress towards acknowledging this reality, and stalling from ever doing anything about it.

You'll learn, when your grocery bill doubles and triples within a few years. And/Or global trade war breaks out.

For all your posturing and arrogant ignorance, tell us then, how these former petrol geologists and Big Oil CEOs are somehow wrong (you won't, because you can't):

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