Ohio voters made a mistake

[Votto]

the will of the people?.....is that like when the State of California voted to not recognize gay marriage not once but twice only to have it overturned in the courts?....

And it does not take long for them to overturn things the DNC does not like. The ink on the Dobbs decision is still wet as abortion is made legal again across the country.

It shows who has the real power and control over the populace. They are fascists after all.

 

[candycorn]

Name one red state that would ban an interracial marriage with poll numbers to back it up. You can't. It is akin to telling the world that the biggest threat to civilization is white supremacy, all when DNC loons and terrorists dance around in glee after the largest genocidal act since the Holocaust. But if there is, should democracy be allowed to be put in action for it?

Mississippi had a law on the books banning it in 1987. It would take about 15 seconds for them to ban it again if it were allowed.

The Constitutional amendments for abortion being passed in red states do allow for minors to get abortions without the parents' consent, because I have read them. It also allows for abortion at any stage of development, because I have read them.

You didn't read very far:

I can show you polls that show that the vast majority of Americans agree with me on both these things, unlike your baseless previous assertions.

Should polls determine what rights one has? I'm sure you could have found a poll in the 50's that had the "vast majority of americans" disapproving of interracial marriage.

Don't bother...I found it for you.

Again...do you really think backwards red states have had a change of heart in the last 60 years to where they are really approving of it?

I'm sure you do.

 

[Dragonlady]

Those three products have been legal since the founding of our country. Obviously they should remain legal.

Abortion was legal when your country was founded, and so was marijuana. Abortion became illegal after the Civil War, when women started demanding the vote. Marijuana became illegal in the 1930's.

Scarlet Letters: Getting the History of Abortion and Contraception Right

Despite anti-abortion activists’ rhetoric, abortion and contraception have been legally practiced in America since the Pilgrims’ arrival.

www.americanprogress.org

Why the US Made Marijuana Illegal | HISTORY

Fear of Mexican immigrants led to the criminalization of marijuana.

www.history.com

So according to you, they SHOULD be legal now.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The article he linked to is from last August, and doesn't reflect what's happening since the election.

The thread premise is indeed further proof of Republicans’ contempt for democracy and the will of the people.

 

[Dragonlady]

And it does not take long for them to overturn things the DNC does not like. The ink on the Dobbs decision is still wet as abortion is made legal again across the country.

It shows who has the real power and control over the populace. They are fascists after all.

Your post makes no logical sense, and nothing short of blither. Completely fact free, and then it jumps to a conclusion that passing laws to keep abortion legal is "fascism"??? Does that make any sense at all?

21 states have tried to ban abortion since Dobbs and the courts are blocking these attempts to strip women of that right. Courts protecting our rights is the opposite of "fascism". The Republican laws are unconstitutional and violate women's rights. Not to mention that every state that has put abortion on the ballot, women's rights have WON.

Tracking Abortion Bans Across the Country

The New York Times is tracking the status of abortion laws in each state following the Supreme Court’s 2022 decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

www.nytimes.com

Giving people rights they VOTED FOR is now considererd "fascist" by the rabid right.

The Courts are overturning the abortion bans because they violate the rights of women. The abortion bans are fascist, not the laws giving women the right to make their own choices.

It's not surprising that the Trump Cult thinks that women have the right to choose is "fascist". Because they haven't the vaguest clue as to what fascism is. Thank you for proving it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

As already noted, this is an old article and Republicans aren't going to do anything about the choices the people made a couple weeks ago.

Wrong.

“Ohio voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional amendment on 7 November, guaranteeing its citizens the right to abortion access, but a group of rightwing Republican lawmakers is already trying to reverse that result.”

Ohio voted to protect abortion rights. Republicans are scheming to undo it

Twenty-seven GOP members emphasized in a letter after the 7 November vote they would work to prevent its implementation

www.theguardian.com

 

[initforme]

Nobody is going to ban interracial marriage. In fact different races were meant to mix. It probably has genetic c supetiority.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

the will of the people?.....is that like when the State of California voted to not recognize gay marriage not once but twice only to have it overturned in the courts?....

“State Republicans ignored a 2015 referendum prohibiting partisan gerrymandering and drew maps that gave Republicans an advantage in both branches of the legislature – they have a supermajority in each – and a lopsided number of congressional seats.” ibid

Further proof of Republicans’ contempt for democracy and the will of the people.

 

[Votto]

Your post makes no logical sense, and nothing short of blither. Completely fact free, and then it jumps to a conclusion that passing laws to keep abortion legal is "fascism"??? Does that make any sense at all?

21 states have tried to ban abortion since Dobbs and the courts are blocking these attempts to strip women of that right. Courts protecting our rights is the opposite of "fascism". The Republican laws are unconstitutional and violate women's rights. Not to mention that every state that has put abortion on the ballot, women's rights have WON.

Tracking Abortion Bans Across the Country

The New York Times is tracking the status of abortion laws in each state following the Supreme Court’s 2022 decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

www.nytimes.com

Giving people rights they VOTED FOR is now considererd "fascist" by the rabid right.

The Courts are overturning the abortion bans because they violate the rights of women. The abortion bans are fascist, not the laws giving women the right to make their own choices.

It's not surprising that the Trump Cult thinks that women have the right to choose is "fascist". Because they haven't the vaguest clue as to what fascism is. Thank you for proving it.

The majority of Americans don't want all abortion banned

But the same group, if asked, wants some restrictions.

We need to have votes on restrictions, unless you don't think there should be, in which democracy will overrule you and crush you into powder if people are merely given the opportunity to vote on such things.

 

[Votto]

Nobody is going to ban interracial marriage. In fact different races were meant to mix. It probably has genetic c supetiority.

No one really thinks that, just like no one really thinks that white supremacy is the biggest threat to the US.

It's just the Left playing in their own fecal matter.

 

[Dragonlady]

The majority of Americans don't want all abortion banned

But the same group, if asked, wants some restrictions.

We need to have votes on restrictions, unless you don't think there should be, in which democracy will overrule you and crush you into powder if people are merely given the opportunity to vote on such things.

The majority of Americans don't want ANY abortions banned. Abortion is a medical matter between a woman and her doctor. The abortions after 20 weeks are the most medicaly necessary. The state has no business in these decisions at all, other than to ensure women have access to medical care.

The death rate from the complications of pregnancy and childbirth in the USA, which was already more than double any other first world nation, has increased by 50% since 2020 and in states where abortion was banned, it's doubled.

Campaign life your name is a lie. You don't care if women die. Everything you've been told by the anti-abortion campaigns, has been a complete and total lie and the American people have woken up to that fact.

Even those who are pro-life are voting for choice because if you think abortion is wrong, no one is going to force you to have one. But if you have complications of pregnancy, and need help with an incomplete miscarriage, you can most definitely die without one.

 

[Harry Dresden]

“State Republicans ignored a 2015 referendum prohibiting partisan gerrymandering and drew maps that gave Republicans an advantage in both branches of the legislature – they have a supermajority in each – and a lopsided number of congressional seats.” ibid

Further proof of Republicans’ contempt for democracy and the will of the people.

bullshit jones....republicans dont have much power in California....those 2 referendums were on the ballots in every county and city and voted down by the people in California including a hell of a lot of people in your party......so go ahead give me more excuses about the will of the people being subverted...what a joke,Republicans have an advantage in both branches of the legislature in California.....this aint 1975 jones....

 

[pknopp]

Wrong.

“Ohio voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional amendment on 7 November, guaranteeing its citizens the right to abortion access, but a group of rightwing Republican lawmakers is already trying to reverse that result.”

Ohio voted to protect abortion rights. Republicans are scheming to undo it

Twenty-seven GOP members emphasized in a letter after the 7 November vote they would work to prevent its implementation

www.theguardian.com

Nothing you posted show that anything is going to change. It simply noted that some politicians were upset that the people went around them.

 

[BluesLegend]

Oregon legalized heroin...overdose deaths went up 1,300% and drug related crime and homelessness is off the charts.

 

[BlindBoo]

Those three products have been legal since the founding of our country. Obviously they should remain legal.

Cannabis was legal until the 20th century and was one of the most important crops for farmers.

 

[BlindBoo]

Alcohol kills more people than any other drug, bar none. Not even close

Why does it kill so many? Probably because it is legal and sold directly to the people from state liquor stores. This sends a message that it is safe and Ok to use.

It is arguably the strongest argument not to allow other street drugs to be treated the same.

Cigarettes and tobacco products kill more annually.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Americans do want regulated, sensible abortion law.

Most want a sensible length ban. A great majority want exceptions for rape, incest, fetus viability, and life/health of the mother.

No one will perform abortion at birth on a viable fetus. If anyone dead, someone in the community would shoot the person dead.

 

[Votto]

The majority of Americans don't want ANY abortions banned. Abortion is a medical matter between a woman and her doctor. The abortions after 20 weeks are the most medicaly necessary. The state has no business in these decisions at all, other than to ensure women have access to medical care.

The death rate from the complications of pregnancy and childbirth in the USA, which was already more than double any other first world nation, has increased by 50% since 2020 and in states where abortion was banned, it's doubled.

Campaign life your name is a lie. You don't care if women die. Everything you've been told by the anti-abortion campaigns, has been a complete and total lie and the American people have woken up to that fact.

Even those who are pro-life are voting for choice because if you think abortion is wrong, no one is going to force you to have one. But if you have complications of pregnancy, and need help with an incomplete miscarriage, you can most definitely die without one.

Your own NPR says you are a liar

Again, most Americans want abortion in some cases, but also want it restricted in others.

 

[Votto]

Cigarettes and tobacco products kill more annually.

If so, both are legal

Funny that

It just drives home my point even farther.

 

[Votto]

Oregon legalized heroin...overdose deaths went up 1,300% and drug related crime and homelessness is off the charts.

Yep.

The DNC says something is good, and the cult members flock to try it.