Offseason QB "upgrades" list getting shorter as major QB prospects stay in school.

[EMH]

Sure but that success rate is based on our access to a bunch of information. Much of it analysis done by the people EMH says dont know what they are talking about. Remove that and your success rate drops off precipitously. No one has the time or the inclination to watch a bunch of tape on a WR out of East Tennessee State to know that he's actually a monster even though no one has heard of him.

Josh Allen played at Wyoming
Mahomes played at TT
Maye at UNC

No one would have been tracking those guys (maybe Mahomes he was putting up gaudy numbers in that air raid offense) without the constant new cycle/sports network shows constantly needing NFL shit to talk about.

Why did the Bears take Trubisky over Mahomes?

Those million dollar GMs in the NFL, they "know better" BAWK....

 

[EMH]

else uses their takes to support what they think that they are all idiots and anyone who agrees with them is a "parrot".

That's not what you do. You take the opinion of others and it becomes "your opinion." That's PARROTING.

 

[leftwinger]

Mant times it appears teams pick whomever the media says is going to be picked. You don't need to do 100 days of scoutin work. I'm Couch. Vince Young, Marv Wilson OAK picks, Zach Wilson...nobody wanted any of those picks a few games in. Jay turnover brain dead Cutler. Thousands of them. Ryan Leaf, Heisman winners. Steve sputtering Spurrier.

 

[Couchpotato]

Mant times it appears teams pick whomever the media says is going to be picked. You don't need to do 100 days of scoutin work. I'm Couch. Vince Young, Marv Wilson OAK picks, Zach Wilson...nobody wanted any of those picks a few games in. Jay turnover brain dead Cutler. Thousands of them. Ryan Leaf, Heisman winners. Steve sputtering Spurrier.

For every VY they get wrong (he had a ridiculous college career, and was a crazy good athlete) they get how many right?

No one is saying they never make a mistake. But they get it right far more often then guys like EMH. I have a broken watch that's right more often than that idiot.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/rounds/_/season/2017

Thats the 2017 1st round draft since we were talking about that.

Minimum 25 of those picks were solid 1st round picks, more depending on your criteria. Its evaluating human beings and trying to predict how they will perform going into the future. It's just as much art as science, and the science involved is far from exact. The bottom line is most players arent going to be franchise changing picks. There are maybe 10 a draft that end up being exceptional players everyone else is a role player at best and by and large they dont make a roster.

There are only 1696 roster spots in the NFL. NFL teams on average change out about 16 players a year. Thats 512 players. about 80 a year retire. 432. I cant find statistics on the percentage of players who are cut/waived that are then resigned by another team. Lets say it's 33% (which I think is a conservative figure) 285. 224 players get drafted each year and each team carries 16 players on it's practice squad. That's 736 players (not including undraft FA's, UFL/CFL/Semi Pro/walk on/whatever other source teams get players from to fill out their preseason rosters) competing for 285 spots.

Of that 1696 roster spots there are only 768 starting spots including kicker and punter. Add in 10 players per team for nickel backs/CB/LBs and DL's for different defensive fronts/coverages , extra RB's, TE's and WR's for different formations, that's 1088. You've likely never heard of 90% of those players. I say all that to point out that of the best of the best players in football, the vast majority arent stars. The idea that teams are going to draft stars or even really good players year in and year out at every draft position or even 1st round is not feasible. Because the players just aren't there to be drafted.

 

[Couchpotato]

He can throw a long slow highly arced pass when he has time to step into the throw. He doesn't have a cannon arm like Willis or Rattler. 20 yards isn't that far. Pavia has a stronger arm than Darnold. And Darnold has a wind up in his delivery.

Jordan Love's arm isn't that strong either, but both MN and GB have had good OL play recently, and good receivers.

Ranking NFL quarterbacks by trait: Best arm, accuracy, more

Which NFL quarterbacks have the strongest arms, greatest accuracy and best rushing ability? Dan Orlovsky stacked the 10 best in seven skill areas.

www.espn.com

Just top 10.

Arm strength​

1. Josh Allen, Bills
2. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
3. Justin Herbert, Chargers
4. Lamar Jackson, Ravens
5. Matthew Stafford, Rams
6. Baker Mayfield, Buccaneers
7. Joe Burrow, Bengals
8. Caleb Williams, Bears
9. Michael Penix Jr., Falcons
10. Jordan Love, Packers

ALL YOU DO IS STAT PARROT....

All you do is get shit wrong.

LOL

 

[Couchpotato]

2026 NFL offseason: Ranking the top 15 trade candidates

How do Brian Thomas Jr. and Maxx Crosby stack up on the NFL offseason trade market? We ranked 15 candidates to move and broke down the latest intel.

www.espn.com

The Saints don't want to trade a young quarterback on a rookie contract who improved as a sophomore, but teams need developmental passers, and Rattler is the best candidate this spring. Rattler excelled as more of a quick-distribution point guard last season, but he also showed good creation ability on longer, movement dropbacks. He could fight -- and easily beat out -- a free agent veteran in training camp for a rebuilding team




Top offseason QB options

Draft Mendoza = Raiders
outbid rest of NFL for Malik Willis = expensive $$$
trade for Rattler - likely will be expensive but compared to the Draft.... easily worth a 2nd rounder if not more, ready to start Day 1.

In that article is lists the best fits as Miami, KC, Rams and Raiders. The only team he has any shot at starting with is Miami.

Rattler was drafted in the 5th round. No one is giving NO anything over a provisional 5th or 6th round pick for him. I wouldnt trade him either if I were NO. He's not worth anything from a draft capital perspective and he's a cheap back up who can push Shough without being a real threat to overtake him since he's already lost to job to him.

 

[Couchpotato]

Sourced parroting is part of every topic here.

Your parroting is you take someone else's opinion and appropriate it as "your opinion."




MY TAKES on Rattler and Willis predate all of this. It is possible they are parroting EMH.

Your take on Rattler was bad and continues to be bad. So Congrats?

 

[EMH]

No one is giving NO anything over a provisional 5th or 6th round pick for him.

LOL!!

We will remember that prediction...

Your take on Rattler was bad and continues to be bad.

Not all of the NFL GMs are incompetent. Some actually watch and understand the football they watch. We'll see which one was paying attention with need....

 

[EMH]

Ranking NFL quarterbacks by trait: Best arm, accuracy, more

Which NFL quarterbacks have the strongest arms, greatest accuracy and best rushing ability? Dan Orlovsky stacked the 10 best in seven skill areas.

www.espn.com

Just top 10.

Arm strength​

1. Josh Allen, Bills
2. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
3. Justin Herbert, Chargers
4. Lamar Jackson, Ravens
5. Matthew Stafford, Rams
6. Baker Mayfield, Buccaneers
7. Joe Burrow, Bengals
8. Caleb Williams, Bears
9. Michael Penix Jr., Falcons
10. Jordan Love, Packers




All you do is get shit wrong.

LOL

LOL!!!

According to your cited list there, I don't see Sam Darnold listed. Love is 10....


where is Darnold, and clearly Orlovsky agrees with me, Darnold does NOT have a strong arm despite your brainless stat parroting...

 

[Couchpotato]

LOL!!!

According to your cited list there, I don't see Sam Darnold listed. Love is 10....


where is Darnold, and clearly Orlovsky agrees with me, Darnold does NOT have a strong arm despite your brainless stat parroting...

It’s a list of the QBs with the strongest arms Einstein. Just because you can throw it to the moon doesn’t mean you can hit it.

 

[EMH]

It’s a list of the QBs with the strongest arms Einstein.

... according to Orlovsky, not you...


and he doesn't agree with your STAT PARROTING that Darnold has a strong arm, does he?

LOL!!!

 

[EMH]

Just when the QB shortage was getting out of hand, it rolled off the cliff...

No, Derek, this is a really bad idea...

Derek Carr 'Very Serious' About Unretiring This Offseason

Former Saints QB Derek Carr is "very serious" about unretiring this off-season, with multiple teams interested, according to Jordan Schultz. The Saints still own Carr's rights, but would be more than willing to trade him

nfltraderumors.co

 

[Couchpotato]

... according to Orlovsky, not you...


and he doesn't agree with your STAT PARROTING that Darnold has a strong arm, does he?

LOL!!!

Holy shit. You are possibly the dumbest person on this board.

 

[EMH]

Holy shit. You are possibly the dumbest person on this board.

Darnold has a "not so strong" arm, not a weak arm, but middling.




This is a strong arm, a great arm, ball launched at 5 yard line and lands 50 yards away on target...

 

[Couchpotato]

Darnold has a "not so strong" arm, not a weak arm, but middling.




This is a strong arm, a great arm, ball launched at 5 yard line and lands 50 yards away on target...

you dont even remember what your own argument was.

 

[EMH]

you dont even remember what your own argument was.

First throw - 20 yards scramble, not a long throw, decent throw on run, not a "strong armed" throw, not "on target" - receiver spins around to catch it

Second throw - launched from the 2, comes down on 44, high arc, not a "zipped laser." Middling arm, not strong. that one was on target.

Third throw - launched from 29, lands 2 yards in endzone plus center to sideline - roughly 35 yards, it sails up, and drops down, again middling, not zipped, Nailor had to stop to catch it, throw was underthrown and behind the receiver

fourth = best data point, full wind up from 3 yards in end zone, lands at 47 of SF, 56 yards, his longest range. I would argue Jefferson had to slow down a bit, that the ball was underthrown, what Jefferson realizes at the 50. That's his range, 55+ yards full wind up everything he has. Don't know what the hang time is, but it was more than Rattler's throw to Shaheed. Rattler didn't take a full wind up either.



Decision to throw + quickness of release + strength of arm/velocity of ball = getting it there on time


Sam Darnold is not what the NFL would call "strong armed." He isn't weak armed, but compared to Doug Williams and Elway etc. he is not in that class, not even near it. His release isn't fast, and he has to "wind up" to launch a deep ball. Rattler doesn't. Rattler gets the throw out quicker with a shorter motion.


Fifth - throw is behind Nailor, Nailor shows great body control spinning back and making the catch of another throw off target


Sixth - classic, all day to throw, steps in and floats a good pass, a pass nobody would claim was "strong armed" - it floated, but the best throw of the video so far, in step on target

Seventh - again off target, high, good leaping catch, about the "strongest" throw you'll see from Darnold - 30 yards, reasonably zipped, .... FULL WIND UP.... CLEAN POCKET.... minor details....



OK, you get 7...

 

[Couchpotato]

First throw - 20 yards scramble, not a long throw, decent throw on run, not a "strong armed" throw, not "on target" - receiver spins around to catch it

Second throw - launched from the 2, comes down on 44, high arc, not a "zipped laser." Middling arm, not strong. that one was on target.

Third throw - launched from 29, lands 2 yards in endzone plus center to sideline - roughly 35 yards, it sails up, and drops down, again middling, not zipped, Nailor had to stop to catch it, throw was underthrown and behind the receiver

fourth = best data point, full wind up from 3 yards in end zone, lands at 47 of SF, 56 yards, his longest range. I would argue Jefferson had to slow down a bit, that the ball was underthrown, what Jefferson realizes at the 50. That's his range, 55+ yards full wind up everything he has. Don't know what the hang time is, but it was more than Rattler's throw to Shaheed. Rattler didn't take a full wind up either.



Decision to throw + quickness of release + strength of arm/velocity of ball = getting it there on time


Sam Darnold is not what the NFL would call "strong armed." He isn't weak armed, but compared to Doug Williams and Elway etc. he is not in that class, not even near it. His release isn't fast, and he has to "wind up" to launch a deep ball. Rattler doesn't. Rattler gets the throw out quicker with a shorter motion.


Fifth - throw is behind Nailor, Nailor shows great body control spinning back and making the catch of another throw off target


Sixth - classic, all day to throw, steps in and floats a good pass, a pass nobody would claim was "strong armed" - it floated, but the best throw of the video so far, in step on target

Seventh - again off target, high, good leaping catch, about the "strongest" throw you'll see from Darnold - 30 yards, reasonably zipped, .... FULL WIND UP.... CLEAN POCKET.... minor details....



OK, you get 7...

You dont even remember your own argument. Or maybe you're again moving the goal posts because you've once again been proven wrong.

 

[EMH]

You dont even remember your own argument. Or maybe you're again moving the goal posts because you've once again been proven wrong.

Or maybe Dan Orlovsky understands "strong armed QB" and you don't....

 

[Couchpotato]

Or maybe Dan Orlovsky understands "strong armed QB" and you don't....

Thank you for making my point.