Obama's foreign policy debacle

[Plasmaball]

Iraq was a won war. Agree or not with the decision to go in. It was a won war until Obama's inability to reach a finale stage agreement, which led to a complete pull out. at least we should have kept a base there, an airbase to help the Iraqi military fight back the Islamist..





Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

We left on bushes time line you waste of life. We should never of gone in the first place, but no you need to be the partisan pile if shit you are and blame Obama over this. Had you not removed Saddam this wouldn't of happened.

We told you this would happen. We told you a Civil War would break out and you waved it off like the morons you are...

**** off...you have a problem then fly over and stop them...we dont need to waste American lives for your **** up.

Bush's timeline went fine, all Obama had to do was negotiate a final status of forces agreement once the agreement Bush signed expired, he couldn't even do that...what a joke

the agreement was we leave. Again feel free to offer your body up to go take the fight to them...

 

[The Rabbi]

Iraq was NEVER a won war assuming that the entire point of the war attaining a situation that promoted stability after the troops left. That stability already existed until the U.S. learned it could do whatever it wanted after the cold war. I can't think of any country in recent history that we haven't unsettled for our selfish reasons. It is a disaster and millions of lives are affected.

Geee countries act in their own self interest. Newsflash. Name me one country that does not act in its self interest.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Iraq was NEVER a won war assuming that the entire point of the war attaining a situation that promoted stability after the troops left. That stability already existed until the U.S. learned it could do whatever it wanted after the cold war. I can't think of any country in recent history that we haven't unsettled for our selfish reasons. It is a disaster and millions of lives are affected.

Geee countries act in their own self interest. Newsflash. Name me one country that does not act in its self interest.

They all do however some are decent about it, unlike the US.

 

[The Rabbi]

Iraq was NEVER a won war assuming that the entire point of the war attaining a situation that promoted stability after the troops left. That stability already existed until the U.S. learned it could do whatever it wanted after the cold war. I can't think of any country in recent history that we haven't unsettled for our selfish reasons. It is a disaster and millions of lives are affected.

Geee countries act in their own self interest. Newsflash. Name me one country that does not act in its self interest.

They all do however some are decent about it, unlike the US.

Please name one that is decent about it.

 

[Jroc]

Iraq and a grossly destabilized Mid-East is Bush's grand legacy.

A misbegotten and poorly thought out war of CHOICE, for fraudulant reasons, that has cost untold number of American and Iraqi lives, opened the doors to various "Arab Springs" that pulled down the dictators who kept Islamists at bay and factions under control - and removed the much needed counterweight to Iran's ambitions - can only be laid at Bush's feet. This grand mess was put into motion by George W Bush and a Congress that was too cowardly to ask any tough questions.

Obama has not been terribly effective in cleaning up this mess - but, do you seriously think the American public (OR Congress) would countenance yet another foreign war or an ongoing effort in Iraq? I don't think so.

This will be Bush's most memorable legacy. We have yet to see what Obama's will be.

Bush lied us into war that's funny Saddam Hussein would have had the same problem we've had a no fly zone in Iraq since 1991. I guess we could have lifted it and just let him gas his people again, like they're doing in Syria. Obama just bailed and let what is happening now happen, if only we'd have kept Saddam Hussein in power. the whole middle east would be stable.... Who knew?

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[The Rabbi]

Geee countries act in their own self interest. Newsflash. Name me one country that does not act in its self interest.

They all do however some are decent about it, unlike the US.

Please name one that is decent about it.

Oh well. Paint pinked out. Hopefully for good this time.

 

[Oldstyle]

Iraq and a grossly destabilized Mid-East is Bush's grand legacy.

A misbegotten and poorly thought out war of CHOICE, for fraudulant reasons, that has cost untold number of American and Iraqi lives, opened the doors to various "Arab Springs" that pulled down the dictators who kept Islamists at bay and factions under control - and removed the much needed counterweight to Iran's ambitions - can only be laid at Bush's feet. This grand mess was put into motion by George W Bush and a Congress that was too cowardly to ask any tough questions.

Obama has not been terribly effective in cleaning up this mess - but, do you seriously think the American public (OR Congress) would countenance yet another foreign war or an ongoing effort in Iraq? I don't think so.

This will be Bush's most memorable legacy. We have yet to see what Obama's will be.

Bush lied us into war that's funny Saddam Hussein would have had the same problem we've had a no fly zone in Iraq since 1991. I guess we could have lifted it and just let him gas his people again, like they're doing in Syria. Obama just bailed and let what is happening now happen, if only we'd have kept Saddam Hussein in power. the whole middle east would be stable.... Who knew?

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Watching Joe Biden's little speech is illustrative of how what you "want" to happen can fool yourself into thinking it "has" happened.

The biggest problem of the Obama Administration is how naive they are about the nature of our enemies. You can see it now with the Bowe Bergdahl fiasco. The Obama Administration says that prisoner exchanges AT THE END OF CONFLICTS are business as usual and have been done many times by many administrations. The only problem with that statement is that the Islamic extremists we are fighting aren't ending the conflict! They are ramping it up in a major way. They are looking at weakness on the part of an American President and they are exploiting it fully.

 

[Jroc]

Interior Minister Arseny Avakov said tanks entered Ukraine through checkpoint controlled by pro-Russian separatists in the Luhansk region
Russia has denied aiding the separatists, who have taken control of several towns and cities in mainly Russian-speaking east Ukrain

‘Over the last three days, despite Russia’s statements welcoming the peace process, a column has been sneaking into the area of Dyakove through checkpoints seized by terrorists,’ he said.

‘We have registered the passage of a column including APCs, armoured vehicles with cannons.

‘Today we see three tanks which, according to our information, crossed the border and were in Snizhne.’

Mr Avakov claimed there was a ‘fight’ going on with the column – which was not believed to be displaying Russian colours.

‘Part of this column has been destroyed,’ he said.

Tanks roll into Ukraine despite Putin's promise: Russia accused of stepping in while the West is distracted by Iraq | Mail Online


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[NYcarbineer]

You wrote "debacle". The plural is "debacles", which is what you meant. Every policy of Obama's has been a gross failure.
The failure to negotiate a status of forces agreement with Iraq was a failure and today we see the consequences.
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Oh look, the Rabbi is BLAMING Obama for getting us out of Iraq.

But look again, look what the Rabbi said in August of 2010:

this is Bush's withdrawl because it was Bush's timeline to depart. Obama simply kept that timeline. He gets no credit.

Oh my. How embarrassing. LOL

Link:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/2632023-post104.html

 

[Jroc]

You wrote "debacle". The plural is "debacles", which is what you meant. Every policy of Obama's has been a gross failure.
The failure to negotiate a status of forces agreement with Iraq was a failure and today we see the consequences.
.

Oh look, the Rabbi is BLAMING Obama for getting us out of Iraq.

But look again, look what the Rabbi said in August of 2010:

this is Bush's withdrawl because it was Bush's timeline to depart. Obama simply kept that timeline. He gets no credit.

Oh my. How embarrassing. LOL

Link:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/2632023-post104.html

Bush's timeline agreement expired in Dec 2011 . Obama was supposed to negotiate a status of forces agreement beyond that genius... He couldn't. Why do you people keep throwing out the same stupid taking point

 

[1776]

Obama has fucked up on the world stage with....

Libya - Going along with the removal of Qadaffi and creating a terrorist nest which ended up getting 4 Americans killed.

Syria - Allowing Russia and Iran to prop up Assad and not helping the secular groups remove Assad before the AQ factions got into Syria to create a bigger mess.

Ukraine - Openly declaring the US was pulling back from Europe and the middle East which emboldened Putin to steal Crimea and currently using his spec ops, spies and hired goons to try to steal eastern Ukraine.

China - Ignoring China's military build-up and aggression toward the US, Japan, Vietnam, the PI, etc over the ECS and SCS resources/fishing grounds.

Iran - Removing the sanctions and allowing Iran to get back to work building nukes while they fund Shiite terrorism around the planet.

Iraq - Pulled out of Iraq without leaving any combat forces there to prevent AQ and Iran from filling in the big hole he left for them.

Afghanistan - Fucked up our war effort there and has openly told the Taliban we will leave by a certain date in addition to releasing 5 Taliban leaders for a traitor.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Iraq was a won war.

Neo-con babble speak. In fact, the Bush administration turned the won war into a lost peace.

BHO's mistake was trying to play a failed hand instead of bringing everybody home.