Nuclear Aftermath between a Nuclear Exchange of Russia and the NATO.

[Vrenn]

Here is what I have said for since the 1980s. Remember, there are no winners only losers in a nuclear exhange.

 

[odanny]

Well that was depressing.

 

[White 6]

Here is what I have said for since the 1980s. Remember, there are no winners only losers in a nuclear exhange.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If only biden would stop supporting the Ukraine we might be able to real in the possibility of a nuclear exchange......

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Russia and some of Europe loses, the US and Canada survive.

 

[Vrenn]

If only biden would stop supporting the Ukraine we might be able to real in the possibility of a nuclear exchange......

I remember the first televised discussion via Satellite, with the Congress, President, Joint Chiefs on the US side. On the Soviets side it was the Poltiburo, the Kremlin and their top Generals. During that discussion both the Presiden and Kremlin were very quiet during the exchange. The Congress and Politburo both where rattling Sabres ready to hit the launch at a seconds notice. The Peacekeepers were the Joint Chiefs and the top Russian Generals. Nothing has changed. If one side were to try and launch nuclear warheads (even small ones) their own Military would step in and stop it. It appears that the Russian Military Leaders know that there can be no winners, only losers, in a Nuclear exchange no matter how small it is. And rump found out that the Military would not blindly follow like they did under Mussolini to establish a Fascist control.

You really need to turn the channel on both your TV and Radeo and fine better places (happy places) on the internet.

 

[Vrenn]

Russia and some of Europe loses, the US and Canada survive.

Almost every country would survive but that's not winning. I trained to reestablish order after a holacost like that. And trust me, if it does happen, I want the direct center of the blast on my ass.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here is what I have said for since the 1980s. Remember, there are no winners only losers in a nuclear exhange.

Meh. No biggie. Bill Gates and the WEF have their underground bunkers

 

[Crick]

I remember the first televised discussion via Satellite, with the Congress, President, Joint Chiefs on the US side. On the Soviets side it was the Poltiburo, the Kremlin and their top Generals. During that discussion both the Presiden and Kremlin were very quiet during the exchange. The Congress and Politburo both where rattling Sabres ready to hit the launch at a seconds notice. The Peacekeepers were the Joint Chiefs and the top Russian Generals. Nothing has changed. If one side were to try and launch nuclear warheads (even small ones) their own Military would step in and stop it. It appears that the Russian Military Leaders know that there can be no winners, only losers, in a Nuclear exchange no matter how small it is. And rump found out that the Military would not blindly follow like they did under Mussolini to establish a Fascist control.

You really need to turn the channel on both your TV and Radeo and fine better places (happy places) on the internet.

What televised discussion are you talking about?

 

[JohnDB]

Well that was depressing.

On the bright side there won't be anymore global warming.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I remember the first televised discussion via Satellite, with the Congress, President, Joint Chiefs on the US side. On the Soviets side it was the Poltiburo, the Kremlin and their top Generals. During that discussion both the Presiden and Kremlin were very quiet during the exchange. The Congress and Politburo both where rattling Sabres ready to hit the launch at a seconds notice. The Peacekeepers were the Joint Chiefs and the top Russian Generals. Nothing has changed. If one side were to try and launch nuclear warheads (even small ones) their own Military would step in and stop it. It appears that the Russian Military Leaders know that there can be no winners, only losers, in a Nuclear exchange no matter how small it is. And rump found out that the Military would not blindly follow like they did under Mussolini to establish a Fascist control.

You really need to turn the channel on both your TV and Radeo and fine better places (happy places) on the internet.

LOL....Trump has been the only President that hasn't beat the drums of war ya demwit.

 

[Vrenn]

What televised discussion are you talking about?

It's not on the Internet. I saw it while I was in the Military in the 70s. It sounds like it wasn't for public consumption. But just because it isn't on the internet doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[Vrenn]

LOL....Trump has been the only President that hasn't beat the drums of war ya demwit.

Still playing that victim card. Rump is going to prison or at least to be convicted of various felony crimes that will not allow him to run again. Try working on how to fix things instead of trying to burn it all to the ground because you can't have your own Fascist way.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Still playing that victim card. Rump is going to prison or at least to be convicted of various felony crimes that will not allow him to run again. Try working on how to fix things instead of trying to burn it all to the ground because you can't have your own Fascist way.

WTF does that have to do with it?
Fact is Trump was the only president who didnt want to start a war. What ever happened to left wingers wanting peace?
Burn it to the ground? Thats what dems are doing right now.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump tried to corrupt General Milley, who told him to fuck off.

 

[MisterBeale]

Let's try to get the topic of the thread, back to how a nuclear war will affect the planet's global environment please.

 

[MisterBeale]

I find there is surprisingly little recent articles in the MSM about this topic. . . interesting.

How Would a Nuclear War Affect Our Climate and Oceans? - Hook, Line and Science

Scientists ran simulations on a variety of nuclear war scenarios — and some of the potential impacts would last thousands of years.

ncseagrant.ncsu.edu

 

[MisterBeale]

These items were pulled from easy access. . . I dug them up though. This was about the only thing I could find on mass nuclear conflict, and COG.

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Documents Shed Light on Secret U.S. Plans for Apocalyptic Scenarios​

Documents Shed Light on Secret U.S. Plans for Apocalyptic Scenarios

This is from the NYT, dated May 26, 2022

Documents Shed Light on Secret U.S. Plans for Apocalyptic Scenarios

Dating back to 1950s preparations for nuclear war and revised after the Sept. 11 attacks, the presidential directives are not shown to Congress.

web.archive.org

". . . Until now, public knowledge of what the government put into those classified directives, which invoke emergency and wartime powers granted by Congress or otherwise claimed by presidents, has been limited to declassified descriptions of those developed in the early Cold War. In that era, they included steps like imposing martial law, rounding up people deemed dangerous and censoring news from abroad.

It has not been clear what is in the modern directives — known as presidential emergency action documents — because under administrations of both parties, none have been made public or shown to Congress. But the newly disclosed documents, which relate to the George W. Bush administration’s efforts to revise the draft orders after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, offer clues.

Several of the files, provided to The New York Times by the Brennan Center for Justice, show that the Bush-era effort partly focused on a law that permits the president to take over or shut down communications networks in wartime. That suggests the government may have developed or revised such an order in light of the explosive growth in the 1990s of the consumer internet.

Underscoring how little lawmakers and the public can infer, another file, from the summer of 2008, mentioned that Justice Department lawyers were revising an unidentified draft order in light of a recent Supreme Court opinion. The memo does not specify the ruling, but the court had just issued landmark decisions on topics that could relate to government actions in an emergency — one about gun rights in the United States and another about the rights of Guantánamo detainees to court hearings.

“The bottom line is that these documents leave no doubt that the post-9/11 emergency actions documents have direct and significant implications for Americans’ civil liberties,” said Elizabeth Goitein of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University. “And yet, there is no oversight by Congress. And that’s unacceptable.”

Even though it is unclear how the directives have evolved since the later stages of the Cold War, Ms. Goitein said they have likely expanded to include other scenarios beyond a devastating nuclear attack. The documents show that later versions extended from one category to seven, although their topics remain secret, and fall within the jurisdiction of agencies with different areas of focus.

The newly disclosed documents show that there were 48 of the directives when the Bush administration took office; by 2008, that number had grown to 56. Vice President Dick Cheney’s office was involved in reviewing and “clearing” the orders. The documents do not indicate any consultation with Congress.. . . "

They also have the mainstream AGW environmentalists, hyper-focused on the deleterious CO2 affects of the war, but not so much, how a nuclear exchange would destroy and cause mass extinctions of many, many species. I do find that very, very odd.

Climate Groups to Biden: Back Ukraine Peace Talks​

Climate Groups to Biden: Back Ukraine Peace Talks

In their letter, the groups detailed a number of harmful effects the war in Ukraine has had on the planet in its first 14 months, including the sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines. By Julia Conley Common Dreams From greenhouse gas emissions stemming from rocket attacks to the thre

consortiumnews.com

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Congress has no oversight on the aftermath of a nuclear war.

There may very well not be a functioning congress.

 

[JohnDB]

Here's the pictures of the explosives on top of the reactors. Hint: Ukranians couldn't put them there.