Now we're talking- Wyoming to bring back the Firing Squad

[Steinlight]

Yes you can, with DNA evidence, there is very little to if any error, wrongful convictions are being overturned and the system will continue to improve along these lines. Just because some monster was a loser in life and couldn't afford anything more than a public defender before he brutally murdered someone than that is his own fault.

Most capital cases don't have "DNA Evidence". Most are based on the testimony of witnesses.

And 153 people who didn't murder anyone were exonerated later.

People that so flagrantly violate another's right to life through brutal murder have no right to exist any longer in any capacity since they would not afford this liberty to their fellow man. It isn't an issue of "vengeance" it is upholding the principle that the foundation of a moral society comes only with the respect of the liberty of others, this is what our rights and privileges are born of. People that are so blatantly, evil, anti-social, and dysfunctional have no right to continue to live off or enjoy the privileges of the society they had no respect for.

But that's the point, isn't it? The Menendez Brothers were truly reprehensible. They murdered their PARENTS, for Chrisakes. But they had a shitload of money to hire really, really good lawyers. Not because they were winners in life, but because the two people they murdered left them a shitload of money.

But they get to keep living off society because they got good lawyers.

You are proving my point, and actually it is 20 death row inmates and over 300 individuals convicted of rape or murder that have been overturned due to DNA evidence. Improvements in DNA technology will reduce any wrongful death row convictions to almost null.

The idea that the death penalty should be abolished because two rich guys get off is beyond retarded and isn't even worth debating. I already explained why and it simply isn't a valid argument. If anything, it speaks to inequity in your justice system, but not the morality of the death penalty.

 

[JoeB131]

You are proving my point, and actually it is 20 death row inmates and over 300 individuals convicted of rape or murder that have been overturned due to DNA evidence. Improvements in DNA technology will reduce any wrongful death row convictions to almost null.

What's going to fix the ones who get convicted because of crooked cops or lying witnesses? The thing is, most cases don't have "DNA Evidence". (The ones that do, the crooks are usually smart enough to plead out.)

The idea that the death penalty should be abolished because two rich guys get off is beyond retarded and isn't even worth debating. I already explained why and it simply isn't a valid argument. If anything, it speaks to inequity in your justice system, but not the morality of the death penalty.

There is no morality to the death penalty. Two rich guys kill their mother and father, inherit their wealth, and buy really good lawyers who manage to keep them off death row.

Some poor kid gets sent to death row not because he did it, but because his public defender was a racist drunk who didn't care to do his job.

That's a system that should not have a penalty that can't be reversed.

 

[Papageorgio]

You are all over the place. First you say you want to abolish the death penalty because only assholes support it or something, but it would be ok if we used it more on the rich(there are some bankers and politicians that come to mind that would be deserving of lawful trial and hanging). So on one hand you say it is immoral all together, but then say it would be better if it was applied more across the board and equitably. Just because some people escape the death penalty that deserve it does not make it immoral when it is applied justly. That is like saying, well some people get away with child molestation, probably those with better money and lawyers, thus we shouldn't prosecute any of them with the strictest sentence of the law. Thanks for proving the point of my post about this type of execution hurting your feelings and showing the logical incoherency of the left winger.

The problem is, you can't EVER apply such a penalty "Justly". The rich can get good lawyers who will argue the shit out of every bit of evidence. The poor end up with a drunk public defender who sleeps through his trial.

Until you can make it fair, it should be abolished.

A drunk public defender? What a bunch of horse shit.

 

[Kondor3]

There is no morality to the death penalty. Two rich guys kill their mother and father, inherit their wealth, and buy really good lawyers who manage to keep them off death row.

Some poor kid gets sent to death row not because he did it, but because his public defender was a racist drunk who didn't care to do his job.

That's a system that should not have a penalty that can't be reversed.

Then we do a better job in ensuring that all defendants in capital cases have equal access to legal resources.

While keeping the death penalty.

 

[Geaux4it]

You are proving my point, and actually it is 20 death row inmates and over 300 individuals convicted of rape or murder that have been overturned due to DNA evidence. Improvements in DNA technology will reduce any wrongful death row convictions to almost null.

What's going to fix the ones who get convicted because of crooked cops or lying witnesses? The thing is, most cases don't have "DNA Evidence". (The ones that do, the crooks are usually smart enough to plead out.)

The idea that the death penalty should be abolished because two rich guys get off is beyond retarded and isn't even worth debating. I already explained why and it simply isn't a valid argument. If anything, it speaks to inequity in your justice system, but not the morality of the death penalty.

There is no morality to the death penalty. Two rich guys kill their mother and father, inherit their wealth, and buy really good lawyers who manage to keep them off death row.

Some poor kid gets sent to death row not because he did it, but because his public defender was a racist drunk who didn't care to do his job.

That's a system that should not have a penalty that can't be reversed.

Why don't you saddle up Joe and head on over to California and get them on the case.. Keep some of the needles the state gives to junkies to put down those rabid dogs you like seeing on death row

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

A drunk public defender? What a bunch of horse shit.

Do I need to do all your work for you?

Bad lawyering Innocence Project - New Orleans

Many of IPNO’s clients were represented either by incompetent and unprofessional lawyers or by overworked and under-resourced public defenders. In many cases, the lawyers represented a client at trial without investigating the State’s case or preparing a defense. Often defense lawyers have failed in the most basic of investigation tasks—interviewing alibi witnesses. The behavior of some has verged on criminally reckless, such as the public defender who arrived in court drunk in 1995 to represent Dan Bright, a man who was facing the death penalty for first degree murder. Unsurprisingly, his drunk lawyer failed to save his client from the death penalty in spite of the fact that Dan was completely innocent. Dan was exonerated in 2004 after spending nine years in prison (including four on death row).

 

[JoeB131]

Then we do a better job in ensuring that all defendants in capital cases have equal access to legal resources.

While keeping the death penalty.

No, we should dump the death penalty because it's a waste of resources that COULD be spent making sure people get fair trials to start with.

 

[007]

Holy crap... the PROGTARD SQUAD shows up and just WHINES, WHINES, WHINES.

What a bunch of fucking pathetic trash.

 

[007]

Then we do a better job in ensuring that all defendants in capital cases have equal access to legal resources.

While keeping the death penalty.

No, we should dump the death penalty because it's a waste of resources that COULD be spent making sure people get fair trials to start with.

How did you become such a twisted fucking, whiny little, bubble headed, shit for brains.

 

[JoeB131]

How did you become such a twisted fucking, whiny little, bubble headed, shit for brains.

Why do you show up on a message board when you can't get anywhere near constructing an argument?

 

[007]

How did you become such a twisted fucking, whiny little, bubble headed, shit for brains.

Why do you show up on a message board when you can't get anywhere near constructing an argument?

I can ask you the same thing.

 

[JoeB131]

How did you become such a twisted fucking, whiny little, bubble headed, shit for brains.

Why do you show up on a message board when you can't get anywhere near constructing an argument?

I can ask you the same thing.

Except I actually put forth an argument and backed it up with links...

 

[Roadrunner]

Liberals protested the use of lethal injection chemicals. They believed that without the chemicals the death penalty would go away. They were wrong. There is nothing wrong with the firing squad.

The whole lethal injection thing was designed to lead to the end of the DP.

 

[Roadrunner]

Conservatives hate intrusive government, unless that government kills you.

After years of sentences being commuted due to DNA evidence, after years of incompetent public defenders, after seeing the cost of capital punishment compared to life sentences, Conservatives applaud the idea of state sanctioned killing.

You figure them out.

It's blood lust and an obsession with the idea of vengence.

Justice and vengeance are two, different things. When is person's mother or child is murdered in a violent manner by some depraved, heartless criminal that person and the community deserve justice. If a depraved criminal doesn't want the death penalty then he/she shouldn't commit the crime to begin with.

The failed argument that the death penalty is a deterrent.

The argument that has failed is the argument that the death penalty is not a deterrent.

Since it is not used early, often and with swiftness and certainty, it cannot be said it fails as a deterrent.

 

[Roadrunner]

I am all for bringing back drawn and quartered

Too messy.

 

[Roadrunner]

I had no idea that OJ was convicted of murder. Do you have a link to that verdict?

The Menendez brothers were convicted during a time that California didn't have the death penalty.

1) The fact OJ was rich is why he wasn't convicted of murders everyone knows he committed.

2) The DP was on the table for poor people when the Menendez brothers were convicted. They didn't get it because they were ...wait for it... rich.

Okay, Homework time. Please point out the last time a rich person was executed for a capital crime.

Thanks.

Oh, what fuckin' bullshit.

OJ got off because he was black, and for no other reason.

 

[Roadrunner]

You are all over the place. First you say you want to abolish the death penalty because only assholes support it or something, but it would be ok if we used it more on the rich(there are some bankers and politicians that come to mind that would be deserving of lawful trial and hanging). So on one hand you say it is immoral all together, but then say it would be better if it was applied more across the board and equitably. Just because some people escape the death penalty that deserve it does not make it immoral when it is applied justly. That is like saying, well some people get away with child molestation, probably those with better money and lawyers, thus we shouldn't prosecute any of them with the strictest sentence of the law. Thanks for proving the point of my post about this type of execution hurting your feelings and showing the logical incoherency of the left winger.

The problem is, you can't EVER apply such a penalty "Justly". The rich can get good lawyers who will argue the shit out of every bit of evidence. The poor end up with a drunk public defender who sleeps through his trial.

Until you can make it fair, it should be abolished.

A drunk public defender? What a bunch of horse shit.

Everything JB posts is horseshit.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, what fuckin' bullshit.

OJ got off because he was black, and for no other reason.

Black juries send black people to prison all the time.

 

[007]

How did you become such a twisted fucking, whiny little, bubble headed, shit for brains.

Why do you show up on a message board when you can't get anywhere near constructing an argument?

I can ask you the same thing.

Except I actually put forth an argument and backed it up with links...

Except your argument is garbage.

 

[JoeB131]

Except your argument is garbage.

Then you would have no problem refuting it, then...

Oh, wait. you can't. Because at the end of the day, DP supporters operate on emotion, not logic.