Now that we have quite a few people on record saying that NOBODY is pushing Socialism...

[iamwhatiseem]

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are not capitalism.

Not sure what that has to do with anything but...ok.
...socialism doesn't have anything to do with it either.

in right wing special pleading fantasy, You are Always right simply for being on the right wing.

Yeah...so...once again some non-nonsensical ramblings.
Are you stoned or something?
Right wing...are you referring to me, or someone else?
I guess in your world if someone points out something you don't like - they are right wing?

only the right wing, never gets it.

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are public sector means of production.

Yeah...that totally makes us a socialist nation...absolutely.

 

[danielpalos]

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are not capitalism.

Not sure what that has to do with anything but...ok.
...socialism doesn't have anything to do with it either.

in right wing special pleading fantasy, You are Always right simply for being on the right wing.

Yeah...so...once again some non-nonsensical ramblings.
Are you stoned or something?
Right wing...are you referring to me, or someone else?
I guess in your world if someone points out something you don't like - they are right wing?

only the right wing, never gets it.

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are public sector means of production.

Yeah...that totally makes us a socialist nation...absolutely.

nothing but socialism on a national basis from the right wing. why do they allege to be capitalists.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Not sure what that has to do with anything but...ok.
...socialism doesn't have anything to do with it either.

in right wing special pleading fantasy, You are Always right simply for being on the right wing.

Yeah...so...once again some non-nonsensical ramblings.
Are you stoned or something?
Right wing...are you referring to me, or someone else?
I guess in your world if someone points out something you don't like - they are right wing?

only the right wing, never gets it.

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are public sector means of production.

Yeah...that totally makes us a socialist nation...absolutely.

nothing but socialism on a national basis from the right wing. why do they allege to be capitalists.

You are one confused man

We are not a free market capitalist country. Far from it.
We are a Corporate Plutocracy. There is really no argument to that.
And in the Plutocracy, there is little difference between right and left, except perhaps the corporation and financial powerhouses they support.

 

[dblack]

in right wing special pleading fantasy, You are Always right simply for being on the right wing.

Yeah...so...once again some non-nonsensical ramblings.
Are you stoned or something?
Right wing...are you referring to me, or someone else?
I guess in your world if someone points out something you don't like - they are right wing?

only the right wing, never gets it.

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are public sector means of production.

Yeah...that totally makes us a socialist nation...absolutely.

nothing but socialism on a national basis from the right wing. why do they allege to be capitalists.

You are one confused man

We are not a free market capitalist country. Far from it.
We are a Corporate Plutocracy. There is really no argument to that.
And in the Plutocracy, there is little difference between right and left, except perhaps the corporation and financial powerhouses they support.

Please don't feed the troll. Daniel isn't confused. He's deliberately vague. You read shit into his posts that isn't there. It's just gibberish.

 

[Dragonlady]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

 

[Dragonlady]

And we have to overturn Santa Clara County vs Pacific Railroad, too. That's when corporations became people on a clerical error, nobody's ever challenged it either. Crazy.

No, they became "persons"....There's a legal difference.

"Persons" include corporations, trusts, and The State itself...The decision will never be overturned.

Corporations are supposed to have the same rights to hold and own property as a person, but were never intended to BE persons under the law. That's a total fallacy. Corporations don't vote, don't require medical care, or anything that people do.

 

[dblack]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

That's ridiculous. If you're defining socialism as "doing things for the good of society", then please put that at the top of every one of your posts about the issue. Because you're simply equivocating.

 

[Votto]

You are talking about communism like all GOP dupes. Yes we are all against dictatorships that own all business and industry d uh. Try joining the modern world where socialism is always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net. You brainwashed functional morons live in an imaginary world where Hillary and Obama are criminals and greedy idiot GOP rich pay too much in taxes and care about workers or anyone else...

Monitoring all financial transactions with the insistence of redistributing that money as the government sees fit can only create the ground work for the harshest and most oppressive of governmental systems.

 

[danielpalos]

in right wing special pleading fantasy, You are Always right simply for being on the right wing.

Yeah...so...once again some non-nonsensical ramblings.
Are you stoned or something?
Right wing...are you referring to me, or someone else?
I guess in your world if someone points out something you don't like - they are right wing?

only the right wing, never gets it.

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are public sector means of production.

Yeah...that totally makes us a socialist nation...absolutely.

nothing but socialism on a national basis from the right wing. why do they allege to be capitalists.

You are one confused man

We are not a free market capitalist country. Far from it.
We are a Corporate Plutocracy. There is really no argument to that.
And in the Plutocracy, there is little difference between right and left, except perhaps the corporation and financial powerhouses they support.

some on the left are for learning how to merely Use, Capitalism for all of its capital worth in modern times.

 

[danielpalos]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

That's ridiculous. If you're defining socialism as "doing things for the good of society", then please put that at the top of every one of your posts about the issue. Because you're simply equivocating.

This is what we are supposed to be using socialism for:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[dblack]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

That's ridiculous. If you're defining socialism as "doing things for the good of society", then please put that at the top of every one of your posts about the issue. Because you're simply equivocating.

This is what we are supposed to be using socialism for:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

Piss off troll.

 

[Moonglow]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

Only if included a clause on no more bailouts for capitalist by taxpayer funds.

 

[Moonglow]

Implementation of real Socialism would require nationalization of every industry, and confiscation of all real property (most importantly, farms), for full implementation.

These would be prohibited by the First, Tenth, and Fifth Amendments.

You bet your ass it would require a "Constitutional Amendment" to move forward with Socialism. Actually, a whole new Constitution would be in order.

But first, I would like someone to identify a country where the quality of life IMPROVED after implementation of Socialism.

Untrue as there are socialist nations which have a few industries nationalized other industries are privately owned. There is no set rules for socialism just like there is no set rules for capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

That's ridiculous. If you're defining socialism as "doing things for the good of society", then please put that at the top of every one of your posts about the issue. Because you're simply equivocating.

This is what we are supposed to be using socialism for:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

Piss off troll.

don't really care, troll?

 

[danielpalos]

Implementation of real Socialism would require nationalization of every industry, and confiscation of all real property (most importantly, farms), for full implementation.

These would be prohibited by the First, Tenth, and Fifth Amendments.

You bet your ass it would require a "Constitutional Amendment" to move forward with Socialism. Actually, a whole new Constitution would be in order.

But first, I would like someone to identify a country where the quality of life IMPROVED after implementation of Socialism.

Untrue as there are socialist nations which have a few industries nationalized other industries are privately owned. There is no set rules for socialism just like there is no set rules for capitalism.

the right wing gets all of their understanding of Socialism, from a dictionary not an encyclopedia.

they are on the right wing.

 

[Dragonlady]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

That's ridiculous. If you're defining socialism as "doing things for the good of society", then please put that at the top of every one of your posts about the issue. Because you're simply equivocating.

No we're not. Universal health care is for the "good of the people". In the original NAFTA negotiations, the USA tried to have Canada's universal health care system declared an "government subsidy to employers", because Canadian employers paid 1% of wages as a health care tax. This was deemed an unfair competitive advantage since they didn't have to pay $10,000 a year to private insurance companies for each employee to provide them with health care coverage.

Public education, which is a socialist program, is for the "good of the people" since it gives people the education and skills to allow them to find gainful employment, become a useful, taxpaying member of society, and provides corporations with a highly skilled work force to enable them to prosper.

Providing courts and a legal system to adjudicate business disputes and provide fair trials for criminals, which is paid for by the general public, is supposed to be affordable and accessible to all citizens. The American legal system is a socialist program which is for the good of the people.

Providing an army for the common defence, is for the good of the people.

 

[dblack]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

That's ridiculous. If you're defining socialism as "doing things for the good of society", then please put that at the top of every one of your posts about the issue. Because you're simply equivocating.

No we're not. Universal health care is for the "good of the people". In the original NAFTA negotiations, the USA tried to have Canada's universal health care system declared an "government subsidy to employers", because Canadian employers paid 1% of wages as a health care tax. This was deemed an unfair competitive advantage since they didn't have to pay $10,000 a year to private insurance companies for each employee to provide them with health care coverage.

Public education, which is a socialist program, is for the "good of the people" since it gives people the education and skills to allow them to find gainful employment, become a useful, taxpaying member of society, and provides corporations with a highly skilled work force to enable them to prosper.

Providing courts and a legal system to adjudicate business disputes and provide fair trials for criminals, which is paid for by the general public, is supposed to be affordable and accessible to all citizens. The American legal system is a socialist program which is for the good of the people.

Providing an army for the common defence, is for the good of the people.

Yep. Equivocating. You're basically saying that because (in your view) socialist policies are for the "good of the people", that any policy enacted for the good of the people is socialist. That's a simple, and fairly stupid, logic error.

 

[Moonglow]

Implementation of real Socialism would require nationalization of every industry, and confiscation of all real property (most importantly, farms), for full implementation.

These would be prohibited by the First, Tenth, and Fifth Amendments.

You bet your ass it would require a "Constitutional Amendment" to move forward with Socialism. Actually, a whole new Constitution would be in order.

But first, I would like someone to identify a country where the quality of life IMPROVED after implementation of Socialism.

Untrue as there are socialist nations which have a few industries nationalized other industries are privately owned. There is no set rules for socialism just like there is no set rules for capitalism.

the right wing gets all of their understanding of Socialism, from a dictionary not an encyclopedia.

they are on the right wing.

They get their knowledge from the echo chamber of propaganda and lies..

 

[Lesh]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

That's ridiculous. If you're defining socialism as "doing things for the good of society", then please put that at the top of every one of your posts about the issue. Because you're simply equivocating.

No we're not. Universal health care is for the "good of the people". In the original NAFTA negotiations, the USA tried to have Canada's universal health care system declared an "government subsidy to employers", because Canadian employers paid 1% of wages as a health care tax. This was deemed an unfair competitive advantage since they didn't have to pay $10,000 a year to private insurance companies for each employee to provide them with health care coverage.

Public education, which is a socialist program, is for the "good of the people" since it gives people the education and skills to allow them to find gainful employment, become a useful, taxpaying member of society, and provides corporations with a highly skilled work force to enable them to prosper.

Providing courts and a legal system to adjudicate business disputes and provide fair trials for criminals, which is paid for by the general public, is supposed to be affordable and accessible to all citizens. The American legal system is a socialist program which is for the good of the people.

Providing an army for the common defence, is for the good of the people.

Yep. Equivocating. You're basically saying that because (in your view) socialist policies are for the "good of the people", that any policy enacted for the good of the people is socialist. That's a simple, and fairly stupid, logic error.

Anything that is not free market...is socialist

 

[Dragonlady]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

The Constitution of the United States is written on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES! "We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union" is the expression of a people uniting as a SOCIETY, which is what socialism actually is. Doing things for the good of society.

That's ridiculous. If you're defining socialism as "doing things for the good of society", then please put that at the top of every one of your posts about the issue. Because you're simply equivocating.

No we're not. Universal health care is for the "good of the people". In the original NAFTA negotiations, the USA tried to have Canada's universal health care system declared an "government subsidy to employers", because Canadian employers paid 1% of wages as a health care tax. This was deemed an unfair competitive advantage since they didn't have to pay $10,000 a year to private insurance companies for each employee to provide them with health care coverage.

Public education, which is a socialist program, is for the "good of the people" since it gives people the education and skills to allow them to find gainful employment, become a useful, taxpaying member of society, and provides corporations with a highly skilled work force to enable them to prosper.

Providing courts and a legal system to adjudicate business disputes and provide fair trials for criminals, which is paid for by the general public, is supposed to be affordable and accessible to all citizens. The American legal system is a socialist program which is for the good of the people.

Providing an army for the common defence, is for the good of the people.

Yep. Equivocating. You're basically saying that because (in your view) socialist policies are for the "good of the people", that any policy enacted for the good of the people is socialist. That's a simple, and fairly stupid, logic error.

Anything that is not free market...is socialist

EXACTLY!!!

Americans keep claiming that the free market dies everything better and cheaper than government. That’s a total fallacy. There are some things that should never be governed by free market economics. Education being one of them, health care another.