Now that we have quite a few people on record saying that NOBODY is pushing Socialism...

[TNHarley]

No we're not. Universal health care is for the "good of the people". In the original NAFTA negotiations, the USA tried to have Canada's universal health care system declared an "government subsidy to employers", because Canadian employers paid 1% of wages as a health care tax. This was deemed an unfair competitive advantage since they didn't have to pay $10,000 a year to private insurance companies for each employee to provide them with health care coverage.

Public education, which is a socialist program, is for the "good of the people" since it gives people the education and skills to allow them to find gainful employment, become a useful, taxpaying member of society, and provides corporations with a highly skilled work force to enable them to prosper.

Providing courts and a legal system to adjudicate business disputes and provide fair trials for criminals, which is paid for by the general public, is supposed to be affordable and accessible to all citizens. The American legal system is a socialist program which is for the good of the people.

Providing an army for the common defence, is for the good of the people.

Yep. Equivocating. You're basically saying that because (in your view) socialist policies are for the "good of the people", that any policy enacted for the good of the people is socialist. That's a simple, and fairly stupid, logic error.

Anything that is not free market...is socialist

EXACTLY!!!

Americans keep claiming that the free market dies everything better and cheaper than government. That’s a total fallacy. There are some things that should never be governed by free market economics. Education being one of them, health care another.

Healthcare was just fine until...... wait for it..





















The govt got involved!

according to what measures?

Cost

 

[danielpalos]

Yep. Equivocating. You're basically saying that because (in your view) socialist policies are for the "good of the people", that any policy enacted for the good of the people is socialist. That's a simple, and fairly stupid, logic error.

Anything that is not free market...is socialist

EXACTLY!!!

Americans keep claiming that the free market dies everything better and cheaper than government. That’s a total fallacy. There are some things that should never be governed by free market economics. Education being one of them, health care another.

Healthcare was just fine until...... wait for it..





















The govt got involved!

according to what measures?

Cost

not coverage?

 

[TNHarley]

Anything that is not free market...is socialist

EXACTLY!!!

Americans keep claiming that the free market dies everything better and cheaper than government. That’s a total fallacy. There are some things that should never be governed by free market economics. Education being one of them, health care another.

Healthcare was just fine until...... wait for it..





















The govt got involved!

according to what measures?

Cost

not coverage?

Meh. We are talking 60, 70 years ago.

 

[danielpalos]

EXACTLY!!!

Americans keep claiming that the free market dies everything better and cheaper than government. That’s a total fallacy. There are some things that should never be governed by free market economics. Education being one of them, health care another.

Healthcare was just fine until...... wait for it..





















The govt got involved!

according to what measures?

Cost

not coverage?

Meh. We are talking 60, 70 years ago.

economics was a science, even then.

 

[TNHarley]

Healthcare was just fine until...... wait for it..





















The govt got involved!

according to what measures?

Cost

not coverage?

Meh. We are talking 60, 70 years ago.

economics was a science, even then.

What does that have to do with insurance coverage

 

[danielpalos]

according to what measures?

Cost

not coverage?

Meh. We are talking 60, 70 years ago.

economics was a science, even then.

What does that have to do with insurance coverage

the creation of expensive social programs the right wing likes to complain about.

 

[TNHarley]

Cost

not coverage?

Meh. We are talking 60, 70 years ago.

economics was a science, even then.

What does that have to do with insurance coverage

the creation of expensive social programs the right wing likes to complain about.

Ahh. Going back to me saying govt is the reason healthcare sucks so bad.
Yes, its horrible what happened

 

[danielpalos]

not coverage?

Meh. We are talking 60, 70 years ago.

economics was a science, even then.

What does that have to do with insurance coverage

the creation of expensive social programs the right wing likes to complain about.

Ahh. Going back to me saying govt is the reason healthcare sucks so bad.
Yes, its horrible what happened

a lack of market based metrics for Capitalism to work with?