That is the point of this podcast.
They don't want to know anything better. This describes a situation where one group (the demons) have an objective that is not in line with the humans. They don't care to change that. But they do care to look like they are and the use of words is one of their biggest techniques.
But, in the end, they are not interested in aligning with us. In the case of the anime, they want to kill and eat humans. In the case of Barack Obama, he wants to rule over us.
That's been a hard thing to digest for me. Because I have always advocated for good conversations.
But it's clear that we should be stomping them ( and by them, I don't mean moderate democrats....more like the Reuben Gallegos and the Abigail Spanbergers) into the ground.