Now that we have quite a few people on record saying that NOBODY is pushing Socialism...

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

 

[francoHFW]

You are talking about communism like all GOP dupes. Yes we are all against dictatorships that own all business and industry d uh. Try joining the modern world where socialism is always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net. You brainwashed functional morons live in an imaginary world where Hillary and Obama are criminals and greedy idiot GOP rich pay too much in taxes and care about workers or anyone else...

 

[Natural Citizen]

Have to end the Federal Reserve first, Bootney.

As it is, we already have central economic planning by a central bank. So, they already have a socialist monetary policy in place, hell, they're half way there, man.

So, other.

 

[Natural Citizen]

And we have to overturn Santa Clara County vs Pacific Railroad, too. That's when corporations became people on a clerical error, nobody's ever challenged it either. Crazy.

 

[Tax Man]

We have to have some socialist type of policies to ensure the public welfare. Like social security and medicare. Also police and fire depts as well as IRS and the dept of treasury to count the monies collected and how we spend it.

 

[Oddball]

And we have to overturn Santa Clara County vs Pacific Railroad, too. That's when corporations became people on a clerical error, nobody's ever challenged it either. Crazy.

No, they became "persons"....There's a legal difference.

"Persons" include corporations, trusts, and The State itself...The decision will never be overturned.

 

[Oddball]

We have to have some socialist type of policies to ensure the public welfare. Like social security and medicare. Also police and fire depts as well as IRS and the dept of treasury to count the monies collected and how we spend it.

No we don't.

 

[DGS49]

Implementation of real Socialism would require nationalization of every industry, and confiscation of all real property (most importantly, farms), for full implementation.

These would be prohibited by the First, Tenth, and Fifth Amendments.

You bet your ass it would require a "Constitutional Amendment" to move forward with Socialism. Actually, a whole new Constitution would be in order.

But first, I would like someone to identify a country where the quality of life IMPROVED after implementation of Socialism.

 

[Tax Man]

Implementation of real Socialism would require nationalization of every industry, and confiscation of all real property (most importantly, farms), for full implementation.

These would be prohibited by the First, Tenth, and Fifth Amendments.

You bet your ass it would require a "Constitutional Amendment" to move forward with Socialism. Actually, a whole new Constitution would be in order.

But first, I would like someone to identify a country where the quality of life IMPROVED after implementation of Socialism.

You might look at sweden, germany, netherlands.

 

[Natural Citizen]

We have to have some socialist type of policies to ensure the public welfare. Like social security and medicare. Also police and fire depts as well as IRS and the dept of treasury to count the monies collected and how we spend it.

The IRS is just the Federal Reserve's collection wing, all it does is steal and redistribute the fruits of our labor over to the Treasury so that the Treasury can pay the principal plus interest on that bond that the Federal Reserve bought from a bank with a check which is drawn on an account that has nothing in it in order to pay for all of that free stuff the politicians ran on.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Implementation of real Socialism would require nationalization of every industry, and confiscation of all real property (most importantly, farms), for full implementation.

These would be prohibited by the First, Tenth, and Fifth Amendments.

You bet your ass it would require a "Constitutional Amendment" to move forward with Socialism. Actually, a whole new Constitution would be in order.

But first, I would like someone to identify a country where the quality of life IMPROVED after implementation of Socialism.

You might look at sweden, germany, netherlands.

They are not socialist states. The only socialist states are China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam.

List of socialist states - Wikipedia

 

[Lesh]

Implementation of real Socialism would require nationalization of every industry, and confiscation of all real property (most importantly, farms), for full implementation.

These would be prohibited by the First, Tenth, and Fifth Amendments.

You bet your ass it would require a "Constitutional Amendment" to move forward with Socialism. Actually, a whole new Constitution would be in order.

But first, I would like someone to identify a country where the quality of life IMPROVED after implementation of Socialism.

You might look at sweden, germany, netherlands.

Or the United States because as noted early in this thread we HAVe socialism in many forms already. And most would never want that to change. They just don't "call" it socialism.

Ahhh the power of words huh?

 

[toomuchtime_]

We have to have some socialist type of policies to ensure the public welfare. Like social security and medicare. Also police and fire depts as well as IRS and the dept of treasury to count the monies collected and how we spend it.

The IRS is just the Federal Reserve's collection wing, all it does is turn our money over to the Treasury so that the Treasury can pay the principal plus interest on that bond that the Federal Reserve bought from a bank with a check which is drawn on an account that has nothing in it in order to pay for all of that free stuff the politicians ran on.

That's the kind of checking account I want.

 

[Richard-H]

The whole socialist vs. anti-socialist argument is bogus.

Everybody has their own definition of socialism - so we're all effectively discussing different topics.

The 'liberal' view of Democratic Socialism consists only of taxation, regulation and government assistance programs.

The 'Conservative' view is government seizure of property, government owned and controlled business, and absolute government dictatorship.

Nobody wants socialism as Conservatives define it.

Conservatives do not want socialism as liberals define it, while liberals do want 'socialism' as they define it.

The truly bogus part is that Conservatives pretend not to be able to distinguish the two - and they repeatedly use arguments against the conservative definition as justification to stop the liberal definition.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You are talking about communism like all GOP dupes.

Government owning the means of production is the very definition of socialism. If not, you should have no problem with the proposed amendment.

 

[Lesh]

Have to end the Federal Reserve first, Bootney.

As it is, we already have central economic planning by a central bank. So, they already have a socialist monetary policy in place, hell, they're half way there, man.

So, other.

Not to mention Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, The VA and on and on

 

[Natural Citizen]

That's the kind of checking account I want.

Ha. Yeah. But we can't have one.

To steal a quote from the Boston Federal Reserve's ''Putting it Simply", they say that ''When you or I write a check, there must be sufficient funds in our account to cover the check, but when the Federal Reserve writes a check, there is no bank deposit on which that check is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating ''money.”

Of course, The Federal Reserve then hands those checks to the banks and at this point ''currency'' springs into existence. The banks then take that ''currency'' and buy more bonds at the next Treasury auction. You see?

 

[Lesh]

Government owning the means of production is the very definition of socialism. If not, you should have no problem with the proposed amendment.

There are numerous nuanced definitions as noted previously. By that definition it ain't happening here...and is not worth discussing

 

[iceberg]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

how would our undying need to regulate things fall into the cracks? control w/o control is still control.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We have to have some socialist type of policies to ensure the public welfare. Like social security and medicare. Also police and fire depts as well as IRS and the dept of treasury to count the monies collected and how we spend it.

While I would argue with you that some of that is nothing more than government overreach and partly fraud, none of that is socialism.