NHS lagging behind the rest of the world

[Tommy Tainant]

‘Life-changing treatment’ – NHS England is to pay for a genetic treatment that will save children with a rare inherited disorder from going blind. The one-off injection of voretigene neparvovec, also known as Luxturna, is for babies born with inherited retinal dystrophies. It normally costs £613,410 per patient but the NHS has done a deal with Novartis, the UK supplier, and the numbers needing treatment are low. The company estimates that 86 people in England could benefit now, and about three to five babies with the genetic mutation are born every year. “Loss of vision can have devastating effects, particularly for children and young people, but this truly life-changing treatment restores the sight of people with this rare and distressing condition,” said the NHS chief executive, Simon Stevens.

What an amazing day for this small group of people.
I expect that every one is covered for this drug through their insurance in the states ?

 

[SweetSue92]

‘Life-changing treatment’ – NHS England is to pay for a genetic treatment that will save children with a rare inherited disorder from going blind. The one-off injection of voretigene neparvovec, also known as Luxturna, is for babies born with inherited retinal dystrophies. It normally costs £613,410 per patient but the NHS has done a deal with Novartis, the UK supplier, and the numbers needing treatment are low. The company estimates that 86 people in England could benefit now, and about three to five babies with the genetic mutation are born every year. “Loss of vision can have devastating effects, particularly for children and young people, but this truly life-changing treatment restores the sight of people with this rare and distressing condition,” said the NHS chief executive, Simon Stevens.

What an amazing day for this small group of people.
I expect that every one is covered for this drug through their insurance in the states ?

Meanwhile the NHS has to pay nurses 1,000 pounds each in a bid to stop the nursing shortage. Sure, Tommy keep telling us how all out wonderful this is

 

[Tommy Tainant]

‘Life-changing treatment’ – NHS England is to pay for a genetic treatment that will save children with a rare inherited disorder from going blind. The one-off injection of voretigene neparvovec, also known as Luxturna, is for babies born with inherited retinal dystrophies. It normally costs £613,410 per patient but the NHS has done a deal with Novartis, the UK supplier, and the numbers needing treatment are low. The company estimates that 86 people in England could benefit now, and about three to five babies with the genetic mutation are born every year. “Loss of vision can have devastating effects, particularly for children and young people, but this truly life-changing treatment restores the sight of people with this rare and distressing condition,” said the NHS chief executive, Simon Stevens.

What an amazing day for this small group of people.
I expect that every one is covered for this drug through their insurance in the states ?

Meanwhile the NHS has to pay nurses 1,000 pounds each in a bid to stop the nursing shortage. Sure, Tommy keep telling us how all out wonderful this is

A £600k treatment that wont cost these people an extra penny. That makes me proud. The many helping the few. Socialism in action

 

[Decus]

The NHS is killing people with its waiting lists for treatment and long wait times for emergency room visits:

"A freedom of information request to NHS Trusts, carried out by the Express, revealed that the number of patients dying while on a waiting list rose from 18,876 in 2012/13 to 29,553 in 2017/18."
...
"But this number could be higher, as only half (67 of 135) of the NHS Trusts responded, the paper reported."

Patients dying on NHS waiting lists 'surges by 10,000'

Today’s figures from NHS England show the worst waiting times since records began

Record numbers of patients wait more than four hours at A&E

Patients waiting for hip operations suffering 'pain worse than death'

Tommy here is an article from your favoorite news source:

Patients put at risk by NHS waiting times

Sad but true.

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[MisterBeale]

The only reason the British government can force Novartis to give them such a deal, or other socialist societies can get a great deal from that company, is because they know they can recoup the actual costs of making and producing the cure in the land of the free.


You are SO dumb. If all of health care is socialized in the US, NOBODY will get the cure anymore.


If the U.S. get socialized medicine, there will be no more cures.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The NHS is killing people with its waiting lists for treatment and long wait times for emergency room visits:

"A freedom of information request to NHS Trusts, carried out by the Express, revealed that the number of patients dying while on a waiting list rose from 18,876 in 2012/13 to 29,553 in 2017/18."
...
"But this number could be higher, as only half (67 of 135) of the NHS Trusts responded, the paper reported."

Patients dying on NHS waiting lists 'surges by 10,000'

Today’s figures from NHS England show the worst waiting times since records began

Record numbers of patients wait more than four hours at A&E

Patients waiting for hip operations suffering 'pain worse than death'

Tommy here is an article from your favoorite news source:

Patients put at risk by NHS waiting times

Sad but true.

.

Its what happens when conservatives run things.

 

[Decus]

The NHS is killing people with its waiting lists for treatment and long wait times for emergency room visits:

"A freedom of information request to NHS Trusts, carried out by the Express, revealed that the number of patients dying while on a waiting list rose from 18,876 in 2012/13 to 29,553 in 2017/18."
...
"But this number could be higher, as only half (67 of 135) of the NHS Trusts responded, the paper reported."

Patients dying on NHS waiting lists 'surges by 10,000'

Today’s figures from NHS England show the worst waiting times since records began

Record numbers of patients wait more than four hours at A&E

Patients waiting for hip operations suffering 'pain worse than death'

Tommy here is an article from your favoorite news source:

Patients put at risk by NHS waiting times

Sad but true.

.

Its what happens when conservatives run things.

Funny you don't remember the criticism leveled at the last Labour government.

.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The NHS is killing people with its waiting lists for treatment and long wait times for emergency room visits:

"A freedom of information request to NHS Trusts, carried out by the Express, revealed that the number of patients dying while on a waiting list rose from 18,876 in 2012/13 to 29,553 in 2017/18."
...
"But this number could be higher, as only half (67 of 135) of the NHS Trusts responded, the paper reported."

Patients dying on NHS waiting lists 'surges by 10,000'

Today’s figures from NHS England show the worst waiting times since records began

Record numbers of patients wait more than four hours at A&E

Patients waiting for hip operations suffering 'pain worse than death'

Tommy here is an article from your favoorite news source:

Patients put at risk by NHS waiting times

Sad but true.

.

Its what happens when conservatives run things.

Funny you don't remember the criticism leveled at the last Labour government.

.

The last government invested in the NHS and it recovered from Conservative neglect. Its a repeat cycle.

 

[Decus]

The NHS is killing people with its waiting lists for treatment and long wait times for emergency room visits:

"A freedom of information request to NHS Trusts, carried out by the Express, revealed that the number of patients dying while on a waiting list rose from 18,876 in 2012/13 to 29,553 in 2017/18."
...
"But this number could be higher, as only half (67 of 135) of the NHS Trusts responded, the paper reported."

Patients dying on NHS waiting lists 'surges by 10,000'

Today’s figures from NHS England show the worst waiting times since records began

Record numbers of patients wait more than four hours at A&E

Patients waiting for hip operations suffering 'pain worse than death'

Tommy here is an article from your favoorite news source:

Patients put at risk by NHS waiting times

Sad but true.

.

Its what happens when conservatives run things.

Funny you don't remember the criticism leveled at the last Labour government.

.

The last government invested in the NHS and it recovered from Conservative neglect. Its a repeat cycle.

You are just too funny. Would you care to respond in detail to this criticism of Labour's responsibility for the NHS crisis?:

Labour built today's NHS
"Unfortunately, the last Labour Government laid the groundwork for everything that the Tory-led coalition is now doing to the NHS. Market structures, foundation trusts, GP consortia and the introduction of private corporations into commissioning were all products of an ill-conceived Labour vision of “public service reforms”."
A moment of honesty is required - New Labour began the dismantling of our NHS

Labour under reported NHS problems
"Prof Sir Brian Jarman – the expert who uncovered the original problems at Mid Staffs, Morecambe Bay and Basildon hospitals – has claimed that his work was “suppressed” by Labour ministers, describing the Department of Health as “a denial machine”, focused on producing good news stories rather than getting to the bottom of the death-rate data. Two former NHS regulators who worked under Labour, Dr Bill Moyes and Baroness Young, have also described the “pressure” exerted on the system by ministers to keep quiet about unsafe care."
Labour must bear the blame for the shameful decline of the NHS

How Labour broke the NHS – and why Labour must fix it

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[Penelope]

The NHS is killing people with its waiting lists for treatment and long wait times for emergency room visits:

"A freedom of information request to NHS Trusts, carried out by the Express, revealed that the number of patients dying while on a waiting list rose from 18,876 in 2012/13 to 29,553 in 2017/18."
...
"But this number could be higher, as only half (67 of 135) of the NHS Trusts responded, the paper reported."

Patients dying on NHS waiting lists 'surges by 10,000'

Today’s figures from NHS England show the worst waiting times since records began

Record numbers of patients wait more than four hours at A&E

Patients waiting for hip operations suffering 'pain worse than death'

Tommy here is an article from your favoorite news source:

Patients put at risk by NHS waiting times

Sad but true.

.

People wait over 4 hours in Hospital ER's in the US, and those without ins have no hope of elective hip replacement and even with insurance, they will have to wait.

 

[Penelope]

The NHS is killing people with its waiting lists for treatment and long wait times for emergency room visits:

"A freedom of information request to NHS Trusts, carried out by the Express, revealed that the number of patients dying while on a waiting list rose from 18,876 in 2012/13 to 29,553 in 2017/18."
...
"But this number could be higher, as only half (67 of 135) of the NHS Trusts responded, the paper reported."

Patients dying on NHS waiting lists 'surges by 10,000'

Today’s figures from NHS England show the worst waiting times since records began

Record numbers of patients wait more than four hours at A&E

Patients waiting for hip operations suffering 'pain worse than death'

Tommy here is an article from your favoorite news source:

Patients put at risk by NHS waiting times

Sad but true.

.

Its what happens when conservatives run things.

Funny you don't remember the criticism leveled at the last Labour government.

.

The last government invested in the NHS and it recovered from Conservative neglect. Its a repeat cycle.

Yes I'm sure the conservatives are defunding NHS as much as possible.

 

[Penelope]

The only reason the British government can force Novartis to give them such a deal, or other socialist societies can get a great deal from that company, is because they know they can recoup the actual costs of making and producing the cure in the land of the free.


You are SO dumb. If all of health care is socialized in the US, NOBODY will get the cure anymore.


If the U.S. get socialized medicine, there will be no more cures.

As long as the republicans are in office and follow tramp there will be no more cures and he has defunding medical research.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

‘Life-changing treatment’ – NHS England is to pay for a genetic treatment that will save children with a rare inherited disorder from going blind. The one-off injection of voretigene neparvovec, also known as Luxturna, is for babies born with inherited retinal dystrophies. It normally costs £613,410 per patient but the NHS has done a deal with Novartis, the UK supplier, and the numbers needing treatment are low. The company estimates that 86 people in England could benefit now, and about three to five babies with the genetic mutation are born every year. “Loss of vision can have devastating effects, particularly for children and young people, but this truly life-changing treatment restores the sight of people with this rare and distressing condition,” said the NHS chief executive, Simon Stevens.

What an amazing day for this small group of people.
I expect that every one is covered for this drug through their insurance in the states ?

I'd like to see the manufacturing cost breakdown on that £613,410.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The NHS is killing people with its waiting lists for treatment and long wait times for emergency room visits:

"A freedom of information request to NHS Trusts, carried out by the Express, revealed that the number of patients dying while on a waiting list rose from 18,876 in 2012/13 to 29,553 in 2017/18."
...
"But this number could be higher, as only half (67 of 135) of the NHS Trusts responded, the paper reported."

Patients dying on NHS waiting lists 'surges by 10,000'

Today’s figures from NHS England show the worst waiting times since records began

Record numbers of patients wait more than four hours at A&E

Patients waiting for hip operations suffering 'pain worse than death'

Tommy here is an article from your favoorite news source:

Patients put at risk by NHS waiting times

Sad but true.

.

Socialism in action.

The many helping the few at the top, even if it kills them

 

[rightwinger]

‘Life-changing treatment’ – NHS England is to pay for a genetic treatment that will save children with a rare inherited disorder from going blind. The one-off injection of voretigene neparvovec, also known as Luxturna, is for babies born with inherited retinal dystrophies. It normally costs £613,410 per patient but the NHS has done a deal with Novartis, the UK supplier, and the numbers needing treatment are low. The company estimates that 86 people in England could benefit now, and about three to five babies with the genetic mutation are born every year. “Loss of vision can have devastating effects, particularly for children and young people, but this truly life-changing treatment restores the sight of people with this rare and distressing condition,” said the NHS chief executive, Simon Stevens.

What an amazing day for this small group of people.
I expect that every one is covered for this drug through their insurance in the states ?

Meanwhile the NHS has to pay nurses 1,000 pounds each in a bid to stop the nursing shortage. Sure, Tommy keep telling us how all out wonderful this is

A £600k treatment that wont cost these people an extra penny. That makes me proud. The many helping the few. Socialism in action

Wish we could do that in this country

Imagine actually helping people

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

‘Life-changing treatment’ – NHS England is to pay for a genetic treatment that will save children with a rare inherited disorder from going blind. The one-off injection of voretigene neparvovec, also known as Luxturna, is for babies born with inherited retinal dystrophies. It normally costs £613,410 per patient but the NHS has done a deal with Novartis, the UK supplier, and the numbers needing treatment are low. The company estimates that 86 people in England could benefit now, and about three to five babies with the genetic mutation are born every year. “Loss of vision can have devastating effects, particularly for children and young people, but this truly life-changing treatment restores the sight of people with this rare and distressing condition,” said the NHS chief executive, Simon Stevens.

What an amazing day for this small group of people.
I expect that every one is covered for this drug through their insurance in the states ?

Meanwhile the NHS has to pay nurses 1,000 pounds each in a bid to stop the nursing shortage. Sure, Tommy keep telling us how all out wonderful this is

A £600k treatment that wont cost these people an extra penny. That makes me proud. The many helping the few. Socialism in action

It costs everyone else.

 

[MisterBeale]

The only reason the British government can force Novartis to give them such a deal, or other socialist societies can get a great deal from that company, is because they know they can recoup the actual costs of making and producing the cure in the land of the free.


You are SO dumb. If all of health care is socialized in the US, NOBODY will get the cure anymore.


If the U.S. get socialized medicine, there will be no more cures.

As long as the republicans are in office and follow tramp there will be no more cures and he has defunding medical research.

Don't let facts get in the way of your partisan axe to grind, eh?

It seems the biggest impediment are new laws and restrictions, and a lack of oversight preventing mergers and acquisitions. Not a decrease to government funding. The majority of funding is from private sources.

Who Funds Biomedical Research?
Biomedical research is essential for new cures, but it's costly
Who Is Responsible for Funding Biomedical Research?

"The Future of Biomedical Research Funding

The pharmaceutical industry continues to evolve to cope with a changing environment. New laws and restrictions have made bringing a drug through development to approval more costly and more difficult, without a guarantee of return. In addition, mergers between major companies have shrunken the industry, lessening competition between companies to produce new and novel medications and technologies. As demand continues to grow for innovation and new drugs to treat serious diseases, pharmaceutical companies will need to change their business strategy to meet the growing needs in the new economy."

 

[Penelope]

The budget proposed by United States President Donald Trump calls for “massive cuts” to spending on medical and scientific research, public health and disease-prevention programs, and health insurance for low-income Americans and their children. It has drawn intense criticism from many corners, including scientists, physicians and politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties. The only good thing about this “horror” of a budget, according to one pundit, is that it will likely get “eviscerated in Congress.”
Massive cuts to science and medicine in Trump budget
in 2017 and more cuts in the new spending plan.

 

[MisterBeale]

The budget proposed by United States President Donald Trump calls for “massive cuts” to spending on medical and scientific research, public health and disease-prevention programs, and health insurance for low-income Americans and their children. It has drawn intense criticism from many corners, including scientists, physicians and politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties. The only good thing about this “horror” of a budget, according to one pundit, is that it will likely get “eviscerated in Congress.”
Massive cuts to science and medicine in Trump budget
in 2017 and more cuts in the new spending plan.

No cuts at all. Increased funding levels across the board.

Those were PROPOSED CUTS. In actuality? What really happened? MASSIVE SPENDING INCREASES, everywhere.


Again, don't let facts get in the way of your partisan axe grinding.

The table below compares actual funding for FY 2017 with the FY 2018 allocations included in the omnibus.


Budget Authority Allocations to Appropriations Subcommittees (billions)

Subcommittee FY 17 Enacted Proposed FY 18 Level Percent Change

Agriculture $20.9 $23.3 +11.4%

Commerce, Justice, Science $56.6 $59.6 +5.3%

Defense* $516.1 $589.5 +14.2%

Energy and Water Development $37.8 $43.2 +14.4%

Financial Services and General Government $21.5 $23.4 +8.9%

Homeland Security* $42.4 $47.7 +12.5%

Interior, Environment $32.3 $35.3 +9.2%

Labor, HHS, Education $161.0 $177.1 +10.0%

Legislative Branch $4.4 $4.7 +5.9%

Military Construction, VA* $82.4 $92.0 +11.7%

State, Foreign Operations* $36.6 $42.0 +14.8%

Transportation, HUD $57.7 $70.3 +21.9%

Total* $1.070 trillion $1.208 trillion +12.9%
Appropriations Watch: FY 2018

 

[Penelope]

The budget proposed by United States President Donald Trump calls for “massive cuts” to spending on medical and scientific research, public health and disease-prevention programs, and health insurance for low-income Americans and their children. It has drawn intense criticism from many corners, including scientists, physicians and politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties. The only good thing about this “horror” of a budget, according to one pundit, is that it will likely get “eviscerated in Congress.”
Massive cuts to science and medicine in Trump budget
in 2017 and more cuts in the new spending plan.

No cuts at all. Increased funding levels across the board.

Those were PROPOSED CUTS. In actuality? What really happened? MASSIVE SPENDING INCREASES, everywhere.


Again, don't let facts get in the way of your partisan axe grinding.

The table below compares actual funding for FY 2017 with the FY 2018 allocations included in the omnibus.


Budget Authority Allocations to Appropriations Subcommittees (billions)

Subcommittee FY 17 Enacted Proposed FY 18 Level Percent Change

Agriculture $20.9 $23.3 +11.4%

Commerce, Justice, Science $56.6 $59.6 +5.3%

Defense* $516.1 $589.5 +14.2%

Energy and Water Development $37.8 $43.2 +14.4%

Financial Services and General Government $21.5 $23.4 +8.9%

Homeland Security* $42.4 $47.7 +12.5%

Interior, Environment $32.3 $35.3 +9.2%

Labor, HHS, Education $161.0 $177.1 +10.0%

Legislative Branch $4.4 $4.7 +5.9%

Military Construction, VA* $82.4 $92.0 +11.7%

State, Foreign Operations* $36.6 $42.0 +14.8%

Transportation, HUD $57.7 $70.3 +21.9%

Total* $1.070 trillion $1.208 trillion +12.9%
Appropriations Watch: FY 2018

President Donald Trump today signed into law a $1.3 trillion spending package that largely rejects deep cuts to research agencies proposed by the White House and, in many cases, provides substantial increases.