Never tell me America is racist: An open letter to protesters

[22lcidw]

templar wanted a shot at the belt and lost. I will repost this. Read this templar because you operate using this theory.

Teflon Theory of History
Sat Oct 9th 2010 by abagond

The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good like the light bulb or the Declaration of Independence. Therefore those who make a big deal of the bad stuff in the past, like slavery, are Living in the Past and need to Get Over It.

For example:
Jim Crow laws were overturned by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s. Therefore according to Teflon Theory the Jim Crow period is now Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on how White Americans alive today think and act. None whatsoever. Or not much. So racism is pretty much dead.

Instead of Jim Crow’s effect slowly weakening over time like you would expect, Teflon Theory would have you suppose that it just disappeared like magic one afternoon sometime in the late 1960s. Even though many White Americans alive now were alive back in Jim Crow times. Even though many others were brought up and shaped by those who were alive back then: parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers, writers, film directors, television producers, news editors and so on.

Few sit on a mountain top to come up with their beliefs all on their own. Instead most people pretty much go along with what everyone else already believes with maybe a few twists here and there. Such beliefs come from the past.

So then why is Teflon Theory believed?

• Because of how American history is taught:
  • American history is taught as dates and people and facts that have little to do with each other. Sometimes the Effects of the the Civil War or Industrialization are studied, for example, but not so for the evil stuff – like how slavery and genocide led to present-day White American wealth, power and racism.
  • American history as taught rarely comes up to the present day. History becomes something in the past, in a book, not something we live in right now.
• Because of the needs of White American self-image:
  • White Americans want to think they are Basically Good and their society is Basically Just. Without Teflon Theory that becomes laughable since it flies in the face of history, common sense and human nature.
  • White Americans avoid honestly facing up to their past because deep down they know it is ugly. Teflon Theory acts as a guard against having to take it seriously.
• Because middle-class whites are protected from the ugly present:
  • Those who live in Apple-pie America rarely see first-hand the injustice that their comfortable lives are built on. And what injustice they do see on occasion, like black ghettos or wars on television fought overseas in their name, they have already learned to not see as injustice. But being protected from the ugly present makes the ugly past seem like another world, like it truly is ancient history with no bearing on the present.

Teflon Theory of History

The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good …

abagond.wordpress.com

Things just don't go poof and disappear because a supreme court decision is made.

What politicians do in the past affects the present. However our memories are short.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Never tell me America is racist.

Do you see how many white people are protesting with you? Do you see how many white cops are showing solidarity with you?

NEVER tell me America is racist.

Ask any black person who lived during the civil rights era. They didn't have white support, if they did, it was minimal support at most. They did not have a broad coalition of support you do now in the 1950s and '60s.

Not only do you have the support of hundreds of millions of white people all across America, but the WHOLE WORLD has also come to stand behind you. I will stand behind you.

But never tell me America is racist.

Hate to break it to you....America is racist. Its even in the original document used to form it.

Hence the amendments abolishing slavery passed later. Of course slavery should never have been brought to this country in the first place.

Not the Emancipation Proclamation nor any Amendment or statutory law has never made a dent in racism and other forms of bigotry in our country; only when hate and fear of black men are no longer passed down from parent to child will acceptance be possible.

Anyone familiar with the postings on this message board cannot deny that racism exists today, covertly and even overtly in the comments of the supporters of Trump, and those who vote for GOP members of Congress.

It's time for patriots to acknowledge that all people have certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness and the nation's leader strives to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

It's past time for all of us to enjoy equal rights, equal opportunities and equal justice, something denied by the establishment to Native Americans, Chinese and Japanese, The Irish, migrants from Mexico and other American nations seeking a better and safer life; and to blacks, many of whom are descendants of slaves who had been in the United States before it was created.

Don't preach to me, you half baked civil rights zealot. If you can do nothing but quote the Declaration and assault me with an offering of preachy words as a solution to the supposed scourge of racism in this country, you are part of the problem. And you are wasting my time.

You are the problem, and somewhere in my "preach" you know it; otherwise you would not default to an ad hominem. Your use of the phrase, "civil rights zealot" exposes your intolerance, not only of minorities but those of us who have read and comprehend the seminal documents from three centuries; documents which you seem to want to cover, to not expose the moral compass left to us in the sage words in the Preamble and the Declaration of Independence.

Justice will not be served until those of us not effected by injustice are as pissed off as those who have been effected. Today we have seen people of all colors, ages and ethnicity who have have not personally been faced with injustice marching in protest, putting themselves in harms way to expose their outrage of the violence, used by the supposed peace officers and the disaffected mostly youthful looters and vandals. The peaceful posters are now in the Millions, and they will vote. Keep in mind at the moment 80% of our citizens believe our country is out of control:

Poll Finds 80% Of Americans Think Country Is 'Out Of Control'

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell: "I certainly cannot, in any way, support President Trump this year."

www.newsy.com

" The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday found differences depending on political party. Still, 92% of Democrats and 66% of Republicans think the country is out of control. Of those who identify as independents, 78% said the current situation has gone haywire."

 

[Asclepias]

It's wonderful that Asclepias and IM2 know nothing about our country's founding. And that our founders had the foresight to know that their views would become outdated in the future, they built the Constitution to reflect that.

But hey. The founders were stone-cold racists, with no interest in the country's future.

"But hey. The founders were stone-cold racists, with no interest in the country's future"

Which one of them didnt own slaves and which one of them fought to free said enlsaved?

Nice how you skipped to the end.

I'm sure the founders had the forbearance to understand that such practices would become outdated in time. If they didn't they wouldn't have created the Constitution with caveats for dealing with slavery and racism. They had to write most of it to be pertinent to the times they were living in, but they were not naive enough to think the future was unchanging and their ways were sacrosanct.

Can you show me where in the constitution did the founding racists put the words slavery and racism?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Actually we have disproved every claim you have made. You're dreadfully ignorant.

I would LOOOOVE to see that.

You show us the date that racism actually ended in America and peer reviewed evidence of it's elimination.

Dates. And sure.

April 12, 1861 - The Civil War begins with the
Confederate bombardment of Fort Sumter. South Carolina.

January 1, 1863 - Abraham Lincoln issues Proclamation 95, The Emancipation Proclamation

April 9, 1865 - Robert E. Lee surrenders at Appomattox Court House

May 5, 1865 - Jefferson Davis dissolves the Confederacy in Washington, Georgia

May 10, 1865 - Jefferson Davis is captured by Union troops

April 9, 1866 - The Civil Rights Act of 1866 is passed by congress, but was not enforced due to lack of constitutional power by congress to enforce it.

August 20, 1866 - President Andrew Johnson declares an official end to the Civil War

July 9, 1868 - Ratification of the 14th Amendment

February 3, 1870 - Ratification of the 15th Amendment, opened the way for the Civil Rights Act of 1866 to be legally enforced

May 31, 1870 - Ulysses S. Grant signs the Enforcement Act of 1870, subsequently enforcing the CRA of 1866

April 3, 1944 - In Smith v. Allwright, the United States Supreme Court ruled that the "White primary," which excluded blacks from voting, was unconstitutional.

May 3, 1948 - In Shelley v. Kraemer, the United States Supreme Court ruled that lower courts could not enforce restrictive housing covenants.

July 26, 1948 - President Harry S. Truman signed Executive Order 9981, which stated, "It is hereby declared to be the policy of the President that there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed services without regard to race, color, religion, or national origin."

May 17, 1954 - In Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas, the United States Supreme Court ruled unanimously that "separate educational facilities are inherently unequal" and that "the plaintiffs and others similarly situated… are … deprived of the equal protection of the laws guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment." The decision outlawed segregation in all public schools in the United States.

September 25, 1957 - President Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered federal troops into Little Rock, Arkansas, after unsuccessfully trying to persuade Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus to give up his efforts to block desegregation at Central High. Faubus and a mob of whites were forced to allow nine African American children to attend school on this day.

May 6, 1960 - President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed the Civil Rights Act of 1960, which prohibited intimidation of black voters and gave judges the power to appoint referees to oversee voter registration.

March 6, 1961 - President John F. Kennedy issued Executive Order 10925, which created the President's Committee on Equal Employment Opportunity and mandated that projects financed with federal funds "take affirmative action" to ensure that hiring and employment practices are free of racial bias.

January 23, 1964 - The 24th Amendment is ratified, abolishing the poll tax, which had been instituted in southern states after Reconstruction to make it difficult for poor blacks to vote.

July 2, 1964 - President Lyndon Johnson signs the Civil Rights Act

June 4, 1965 - In a speech to the graduating class at Howard University, President Lyndon B. Johnson frames the philosophy underlying affirmative action, making the assertion that civil rights laws alone were not enough to remedy the effects of past discrimination.

August 6, 1965 - President Lyndon Johnson signs the Voting Rights Act of 1965

June 12, 1967 - Loving v. Virginia, the United States Supreme Court rules that prohibiting interracial marriages was unconstitutional.

August 30, 1967 - Thurgood Marshall becomes the first African American to serve as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

April 11, 1968 - President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Fair Housing Act, prohibiting racial discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of most housing units in the country.

April 20, 1971 - The United States Supreme Court, in Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, upholds busing as a legitimate means for achieving the integration of public schools.



Want more?

I can give you more. Or you can bow out. Gracefully.

Racism did not end on any of those dates.

Lincoln signed words on a piece of paper but were those words actually honored?

Not really.

At the time of "emancipation" 80 percent of Americas GNP was tied to slavery. America, not just the south. Blacks got none of the money. In January of 1865, Special Field Order 15 was issued. Special Field Orders No. 15 - Wikipedia In July 1865, Circular 13, Resource Sheet #7 was issued by General Howard which fully authorized the lease of 40 acres of land to the newly freed slaves. As a result of this action 40,000 former slaves began work on several hundred thousand acres of land.

President Andrew Johnson killed that by his doing so removed those 40,000 blacks off that land and destroyed any income they could make. Meanwhile Johnson advocated for the homestead act and wanted to take plantation land and distribute it to whites without money.

Johnson pardoned most of the confederate leaders and they regained their prior positions of state leadership. By doing this, Johnson unleashed a reign of terror on blacks that really was nothing short of attempted ethnic cleansing. Blacks were beaten, scalped, killed, set on fire with their bodies left in the streets to rot.

A representative from the Johnson administration traveled the south and reported seeing black women scalped, or had their ears cut off, thrown into rivers and drowned. Black men and boys were clubbed, beaten, shot, some chained on trees and burned to death. State to state this man witnessed the stench of dead decomposing black bodies hanging from tree limbs, lying in ditches, and piled up on the roadways.

But blacks were free, right?

Three months after Sherman issued his Field Orders, No. 15, the U.S. Congress created the Freedmen's Bureau for the purpose of ensuring the welfare of millions of slaves being freed by the war.

One task of the Freedmen's Bureau was to be the management of lands confiscated from those who had rebelled against the United States. The intent of Congress, led by the Radical Republicans, was to break up the plantations and redistribute the land so former slaves could have their own small farms.

Andrew Johnson became president following the assassination of Abraham Lincoln in April 1865. And Johnson, on May 28, 1865, issued a proclamation of pardon and amnesty to citizens in the South who would take an oath of allegiance.

As part of the pardon process, lands confiscated during the war would be returned to white landowners. So while the Radical Republicans had fully intended for there to be a massive redistribution of land from former slave owners to former slaves under Reconstruction, Johnson's policy effectively thwarted that.

And by late 1865 the policy of granting the coastal lands in Georgia to freed slaves had run into serious roadblocks. An article in the New York Times on December 20, 1865 described the situation: the former owners of the land were demanding its return, and the policy of President Andrew Johnson was to give the land back to them.

It has been estimated that approximately 40,000 former slaves received grants of land under Sherman's order. But the land was taken away from them.

Sharecropping Became the Reality for Freed Slaves
Denied the opportunity to own their own small farms, most former slaves were forced to live under the system of sharecropping.

Life as a sharecropper generally meant living in poverty. And sharecropping would have been a bitter disappointment to people who once believed they could become independent farmers.


Sharecropping was a system of agriculture instituted in the American South during the period of Reconstruction after the Civil War. It essentially replaced the plantation system which had relied on slave labor and effectively created a new system of bondage.

Under the system of sharecropping, a poor farmer who did not own land would work a plot belonging to a landowner. The farmer would receive a share of the harvest as payment.

So while the former slave was technically free, he would still find himself bound to the land, which was often the very same land he had farmed while enslaved. And in practice, the newly freed slave faced a life of extremely limited economic opportunity.

Generally speaking, sharecropping doomed freed slaves to a life of poverty. And the system of sharecropping, in actual practice, doomed generations of American in the South to an impoverished existence in an economically stunted region.

Beginning of the Sharecropping System
Following the elimination of slavery, the plantation system in the South could no longer exist. Landowners, such as cotton planters who had owned vast plantations, had to face a new economic reality. They may have owned vast amounts of land, but they did not have the labor to work it, and they did not have the money to hire farm workers.

The millions of freed slaves also had to face a new way of life. Though freed from bondage, they had to cope with numerous problems in the post-slavery economy.

Many freed slaves were illiterate, and all they knew was farm work. And they were unfamiliar with the concept of working for wages.

Indeed, with freedom, many former slaves aspired to become independent farmers owning land. And such aspirations were fueled by rumors that the U.S. government would help them get a start as farmers with a promise of "forty acres and a mule."

In reality, former slaves were seldom able to establish themselves as independent farmers. And as plantation owners broke up their estates into smaller farms, many former slaves became sharecroppers on the land of their former masters.

Yeah, figures you aren't satisfied. Look at you living your past as if it were your present. Time to snap back to reality pal. You need to understand America is a far less racist country than you think it is.

" far less racist "

That wasnt your original claim. Now youre back pedaling.

No I'm not.

You are putting words in my mouth. Again. Like I said even OldLady got what I was trying to say. You are too dense to get that.

You absolutely 100 percent cannot be helped.

Yes you are back pedaling. Just calling it to your attention.

Once again, you fail to point out how I am backpedaling.

Sure. I'll point it out.

You said to never tell you that america is racist. Then you said....

"America is a far less racist"

Youre back pedaling from your original position and its ok. You looked like a fool for saying it in the first place.

The institution and concepts America was founded on are not racist, but keep convincing yourself that I said something I didn't say.

Actually they were. That's why the 3/5's compromise was written in the constitution.

Then we have this:

Naturalization Act of 1790 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All intelligent people agree. Racism is americas greatest disease and its a disease of the white man.

Lol. "Disease of the white man."

Only idiots like you think it is purely confined to white people.

Sorry but if you dont mind I think I will go with the more intelligent person on this one.

Einstein should have stuck to physics. Being unaware that racism was practiced by many races and many civilizations of the past. Not just white men and white civilization.

Sorry, but being intelligent does not make you correct.

" Sorry, but being intelligent does not make you correct. "

By that token being a idiot like you means youre always wrong.

What a clever reply. Shows you have nothing left in the tank.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Never tell me America is racist.

Do you see how many white people are protesting with you? Do you see how many white cops are showing solidarity with you?

NEVER tell me America is racist.

Ask any black person who lived during the civil rights era. They didn't have white support, if they did, it was minimal support at most. They did not have a broad coalition of support you do now in the 1950s and '60s.

Not only do you have the support of hundreds of millions of white people all across America, but the WHOLE WORLD has also come to stand behind you. I will stand behind you.

But never tell me America is racist.

Hate to break it to you....America is racist. Its even in the original document used to form it.

Hence the amendments abolishing slavery passed later. Of course slavery should never have been brought to this country in the first place.

Not the Emancipation Proclamation nor any Amendment or statutory law has never made a dent in racism and other forms of bigotry in our country; only when hate and fear of black men are no longer passed down from parent to child will acceptance be possible.

Anyone familiar with the postings on this message board cannot deny that racism exists today, covertly and even overtly in the comments of the supporters of Trump, and those who vote for GOP members of Congress.

It's time for patriots to acknowledge that all people have certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness and the nation's leader strives to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

It's past time for all of us to enjoy equal rights, equal opportunities and equal justice, something denied by the establishment to Native Americans, Chinese and Japanese, The Irish, migrants from Mexico and other American nations seeking a better and safer life; and to blacks, many of whom are descendants of slaves who had been in the United States before it was created.

Don't preach to me, you half baked civil rights zealot. If you can do nothing but quote the Declaration and assault me with an offering of preachy words as a solution to the supposed scourge of racism in this country, you are part of the problem. And you are wasting my time.

You are the problem, and somewhere in my "preach" you know it; otherwise you would not default to an ad hominem. Your use of the phrase, "civil rights zealot" exposes your intolerance, not only of minorities but those of us who have read and comprehend the seminal documents from three centuries; documents which you seem to want to cover, to not expose the moral compass left to us in the sage words in the Preamble and the Declaration of Independence.

Justice will not be served until those of us not effected by injustice are as pissed off as those who have been effected. Today we have seen people of all colors, ages and ethnicity who have have not personally been faced with injustice marching in protest, putting themselves in harms way to expose their outrage of the violence, used by the supposed peace officers and the disaffected mostly youthful looters and vandals. The peaceful posters are now in the Millions, and they will vote. Keep in mind at the moment 80% of our citizens believe our country is out of control:

Poll Finds 80% Of Americans Think Country Is 'Out Of Control'

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell: "I certainly cannot, in any way, support President Trump this year."

www.newsy.com

" The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday found differences depending on political party. Still, 92% of Democrats and 66% of Republicans think the country is out of control. Of those who identify as independents, 78% said the current situation has gone haywire."

There you go preaching again.

 

[Correll]

Closed-minded conservatives will always ignore the truth.

It’s what it is to be conservative.

Your inability to even address his point, shows that you are the one ignoring the truth.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's wonderful that Asclepias and IM2 know nothing about our country's founding. And that our founders had the foresight to know that their views would become outdated in the future, they built the Constitution to reflect that.

But hey. The founders were stone-cold racists, with no interest in the country's future.

"But hey. The founders were stone-cold racists, with no interest in the country's future"

Which one of them didn't own slaves, and which one of them fought to free said enslaved?

Nice how you skipped to the end.

I'm sure the founders had the forbearance to understand that such practices would become outdated in time. If they didn't, they wouldn't have created the Constitution with caveats for dealing with slavery and racism. They had to write most of it to be pertinent to the times they were living in, but they were not naive enough to think the future was unchanging, and their ways were sacrosanct.

Can you show me where in the Constitution did the founding racists put the words slavery and racism?

They didn't. Those were the caveats I mentioned. You obviously don't grasp the concept of foresight, do you? They didn't make it impossible for future generations to amend the Constitution to outlaw slavery and racism, did they? I would wholeheartedly agree with your argument if they had fashioned it in such a way. But they didn't, and that means America as a concept and institution are not racist.

 

[Asclepias]

It's wonderful that Asclepias and IM2 know nothing about our country's founding. And that our founders had the foresight to know that their views would become outdated in the future, they built the Constitution to reflect that.

But hey. The founders were stone-cold racists, with no interest in the country's future.

"But hey. The founders were stone-cold racists, with no interest in the country's future"

Which one of them didnt own slaves and which one of them fought to free said enlsaved?

Nice how you skipped to the end.

I'm sure the founders had the forbearance to understand that such practices would become outdated in time. If they didn't they wouldn't have created the Constitution with caveats for dealing with slavery and racism. They had to write most of it to be pertinent to the times they were living in, but they were not naive enough to think the future was unchanging and their ways were sacrosanct.

Can you show me where in the constitution did the founding racists put the words slavery and racism?

They didn't. Those were the caveats I mentioned. You obviously don't grasp the concept of foresight, do you?

Foresight would have been putting something in the constitution to forbid racism. The founding racists neglected to do that. They were so ashamed of their hypocritical stance they couldnt even bear to put the words "slave" or "slavery" in the constitution. So your claim is that they punted that responsibility down the line. If so you admit that the founders were just as racist as the country they founded.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Foresight would have been putting something in the constitution to forbid racism.

How do you do that without turning the country into a dictatorship, something they actively tried to avoid doing?

Do you understand how such a law would be misused in the future?

 

[Asclepias]

Foresight would have been putting something in the constitution to forbid racism.

How do you do that without turning the country into a dictatorship, something they actively tried to avoid doing?

Do you understand how such a law would be misused in the future?

The same way they did it by guaranteeing white people had rights. What was so difficult about that and how could it be misused if guaranteeing white people rights hasnt been misused?

 

[TemplarKormac]

They were so ashamed of their hypocritical stance they couldn't even bear to put the words "slave" or "slavery" in the constitution.

Yeah, your Ouija board is lying to you.

The world they lived in was not conducive to them putting anti-racism and anti-slavery language in the Constitution. They would have encountered more opposition to the constitution if they did. If they had insisted upon it, the Constitution may never have been ratified.

Therefore, they had enough prudence to add caveats to it so such practices could be disallowed in future amendments.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Foresight would have been putting something in the constitution to forbid racism.

How do you do that without turning the country into a dictatorship, something they actively tried to avoid doing?

Do you understand how such a law would be misused in the future?

The same way they did it by guaranteeing white people had rights. What was so difficult about that and how could it be misused if guaranteeing white people rights hasn't been misused?

I just explained it to you. It's in the language. They didn't make it impossible for the Constitution to grant people equal rights, nor did they make it impossible for future generations to combat slavery and racism through legal processes.

 

[Asclepias]

They were so ashamed of their hypocritical stance they couldn't even bear to put the words "slave" or "slavery" in the constitution.

Yeah, your Ouija board is lying to you.

The world they lived in was not conducive to them putting anti-racism and anti-slavery language in the Constitution. They would have encountered more opposition to the constitution if they did. If they had insisted upon it, the Constitution may never have been ratified.

Therefore, they had enough prudence to add caveats to it so such practices could be disallowed in future amendments.

So youre saying the really wanted to but punked out instead and to really prove they were punks they kept people enslaved personally? Do I have this all correct?

 

[Asclepias]

Foresight would have been putting something in the constitution to forbid racism.

How do you do that without turning the country into a dictatorship, something they actively tried to avoid doing?

Do you understand how such a law would be misused in the future?

The same way they did it by guaranteeing white people had rights. What was so difficult about that and how could it be misused if guaranteeing white people rights hasn't been misused?

I just explained it to you. It's in the language. They didn't make it impossible for the Constitution to grant people equal rights, nor did they make it impossible for future generations to combat slavery and racism through legal processes.

So you admit that they specifically allowed racism and left that up to the later generations to deal with? If thats true how can you say the us was not conceived in racism?

 

[francoHFW]

Never tell me America is racist.

Do you see how many white people are protesting with you? Do you see how many white cops are showing solidarity with you?

NEVER tell me America is racist.

Ask any black person who lived during the civil rights era. They didn't have white support, if they did, it was minimal support at most. They did not have a broad coalition of support you do now in the 1950s and '60s.

Not only do you have the support of hundreds of millions of white people all across America, but the WHOLE WORLD has also come to stand behind you. I will stand behind you.

But never tell me America is racist.

My guess is that are far more racist blacks than there are whites today.

Brainwashed conservatives don't even know what racist means anymore. It means you believe a race is inferior and discriminate against them. Like many Republicans and of course all the militias and white supremacists. and the people that are very polite about it but just won't hire minorities..... It does not mean you hate whites because you think they are racist.....

 

[TemplarKormac]

So youre saying the really wanted to but punked out instead and to really prove they were punks they kept people enslaved personally? Do I have this all correct?

No.

It was a societal paradigm back then. You are incapable of seeing things in a historical context.

They knew that slavery and racism in America wouldn't last forever. They made allowances for that in the Constitution. Those allowances paved the way for future generations to scrap the practice. They were smart, they were slave owners, but they weren't naive enough to instill slavery (and by proxy, racism) into the body of the Constitution itself. They knew better.

Let me ask you this:

If they had straight up banned slavery and racism when they wrote it, how likely do you think it would have been ratified? Nil. None. Zip. And if it hadn't been ratified, would you be arguing for your constitutional rights right now? Most certainly not.

Legal and political maneuvering was just as much a thing then as it is now.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So you admit that they specifically allowed racism and left that up to the later generations to deal with? If thats true how can you say the us was not conceived in racism?

See previous reply.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Never tell me America is racist.

Do you see how many white people are protesting with you? Do you see how many white cops are showing solidarity with you?

NEVER tell me America is racist.

Ask any black person who lived during the civil rights era. They didn't have white support, if they did, it was minimal support at most. They did not have a broad coalition of support you do now in the 1950s and '60s.

Not only do you have the support of hundreds of millions of white people all across America, but the WHOLE WORLD has also come to stand behind you. I will stand behind you.

But never tell me America is racist.

My guess is that are far more racist blacks than there are whites today.

Brainwashed conservatives don't even know what racist means anymore. It means you believe a race is inferior and discriminate against them. Like many Republicans and of course all the militias and white supremacists. and the people that are very polite about it but just won't hire minorities..... It does not mean you hate whites because you think they are racist.....

Like Democrats do to Jews? Got it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

As a ref, I need to stop this fight. Assfaceias is getting creamed.

 

[Rye Catcher]

I'm beginning to think Asclepias and IM2 are the same person on two accounts. What a clever arrangement of letters. I think I will bring this to the attention of the moderators.

I hope I'm wrong, because that would be a terrible look on you.

Sounds like you are feeling overwhelmed. This happens frequently when you cant deal with the facts. When you are getting your ass whipped you start to think all kinds of weird shit. Let me know how it goes after you bring it to the attention of the moderators.

Is that an admission of guilt?

I think its an admission that you are feeling overwhelmed and your mind is playing tricks on you.

Lol. Mind reader too? You're cute.

Your mind is a blank page, he simply used your words to convey a factual matter. Something facts and evidence seem to be beyond the comprehension of Trump and his supporters.