Nazis were Fascist not socialists

[Mikeoxenormous]

When you hear the saying "When it is good for the collective", we arent a colony of ants, but individuals with individual needs and goals. This is why Socialism doesnt work.

 

[mikegriffith1]

That's as silly as saying "ISIS jihadists were radicals, not extremists."

 

[Moonglow]

When you hear the saying "When it is good for the collective", we arent a colony of ants, but individuals with individual needs and goals. This is why Socialism doesnt work.

No, you could not survive on this planet for long without the collective of humans as a social network.

 

[Deadstick]

No, you could not survive on this planet for long without the collective of humans as a social network.

I believe Thatcher once said there is no such thing as society just the individual, well that nonsense turned out great ddidn't it?

 

[Pellinore]

Partly true, however Socialism doesn't mean total control of the means of production just that there should be checks and balances on industry so workers are not exploited, but some industry essential to the Country should be in State hands such as energy, rail, water etc,at the moment we have Corporate fascism.

Yes. I'm glad someone gets it. In our mixed economy, some industries are definitely run by socialist standards. The example I use most is the fire department, which runs on socialist ideals. Owned by the people, run by the government, funded by each person contributing according to their ability (taxes), and with its service then given freely to those who need, namely the person whose house is on fire.

I would not use the term 'corporate fascism.' Besides being made up, it also contributes to a problem we have these days, that terms such as 'fascism' are so overused that they are losing the impact of their actual subject, like the boy who cried wolf. Fascism this and fascism that gives actual fascism some cover. I'm going to guess you're actually talking about corporate capitalism, which is among other things the heart of the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us against.

 

[Pellinore]

It always starts as Socialism. Geez , you dont have to be a rocket scientist to understand that. Soviet Socialist Society of Russia. Started Socialist, then when everyone stopped working, out came the guns. Venezuela, Socialist at first, then when everyone stopped working, Communist. Cuba, started Socialist, get the drift.

And we're right back to the central point of the thread: It doesn't "always" start with socialism, because Nazis, for one, weren't socialists.

Socialism screams loudly about equality for everyone; everyone owns the factory together, everyone works, everyone shares. Or, the way you talked about it, you make 100 and that guy makes 10, so I'm going to tax you 45 and give it to him so you're equal. Equal, equal, equal.

And the last thing the Nazis wanted was to be equal. The Jew is equal to the Aryan? Nonsense. They said they were superior, not equal.

So, last time: Socialism is a tool, a system used to build your economy. It can be used by democracies (like Denmark and Sweden, who at time of writing are not in danger of rising up) and it can be used by authoritarian systems like communism, which is everyone you just listed. It is even used by us, in blessed America, all the time, and has been all your life.

Communism sucks and fails for the same reason Nazism and fascism suck and fail; because they're authoritarian. Socialism is a tool, not the problem.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Yes. I'm glad someone gets it. In our mixed economy, some industries are definitely run by socialist standards. The example I use most is the fire department, which runs on socialist ideals. Owned by the people, run by the government, funded by each person contributing according to their ability (taxes), and with its service then given freely to those who need, namely the person whose house is on fire.

I would not use the term 'corporate fascism.' Besides being made up, it also contributes to a problem we have these days, that terms such as 'fascism' are so overused that they are losing the impact of their actual subject, like the boy who cried wolf. Fascism this and fascism that gives actual fascism some cover. I'm going to guess you're actually talking about corporate capitalism, which is among other things the heart of the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us against.

Yeah, it seems that poor people burn their houses down a lot more than the rich, and it is the poor who dont pay nearly enough in taxes. This brings resentment against the poor, and why a lot of people move out of those areas, and move to a more tax friendly state.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And we're right back to the central point of the thread: It doesn't "always" start with socialism, because Nazis, for one, weren't socialists.

Socialism screams loudly about equality for everyone; everyone owns the factory together, everyone works, everyone shares. Or, the way you talked about it, you make 100 and that guy makes 10, so I'm going to tax you 45 and give it to him so you're equal. Equal, equal, equal.

And the last thing the Nazis wanted was to be equal. The Jew is equal to the Aryan? Nonsense. They said they were superior, not equal.

So, last time: Socialism is a tool, a system used to build your economy. It can be used by democracies (like Denmark and Sweden, who at time of writing are not in danger of rising up) and it can be used by authoritarian systems like communism, which is everyone you just listed. It is even used by us, in blessed America, all the time, and has been all your life.

Communism sucks and fails for the same reason Nazism and fascism suck and fail; because they're authoritarian. Socialism is a tool, not the problem.

Nazis were all for CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. Socialists are all for CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. Communists are all about CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. What part of that do you not understand?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And we're right back to the central point of the thread: It doesn't "always" start with socialism, because Nazis, for one, weren't socialists.

Socialism screams loudly about equality for everyone; everyone owns the factory together, everyone works, everyone shares. Or, the way you talked about it, you make 100 and that guy makes 10, so I'm going to tax you 45 and give it to him so you're equal. Equal, equal, equal.

And the last thing the Nazis wanted was to be equal. The Jew is equal to the Aryan? Nonsense. They said they were superior, not equal.

So, last time: Socialism is a tool, a system used to build your economy. It can be used by democracies (like Denmark and Sweden, who at time of writing are not in danger of rising up) and it can be used by authoritarian systems like communism, which is everyone you just listed. It is even used by us, in blessed America, all the time, and has been all your life.

Communism sucks and fails for the same reason Nazism and fascism suck and fail; because they're authoritarian. Socialism is a tool, not the problem.

Once again, the Socialists put people in power, and soon those people of power "FEEL" starvation isnt going to work, so they FORCE people to work at the point of a gun. I have been on this planet a long time, and everytime i see Socialism get rooted in a country, it soon fails and becomes either a Fascist Dictatorship or a Communist regime of poverty and misery.

 

[Billo_Really]

They only used socialists in their party name because it was very popular at the time

They hated the working class , peasants and unions

Their pact with giant corporations and industries was only to benefit the elites of the party

Hitler hated communist and many Jews were also far leftist in Europe and communism members

If Hitler had coke, there'd be Jews in the bathroom with him saying, "I know you didn't do it! Fuckin' Himmler!"

 

[irosie91]

If Hitler had coke, there'd be Jews in the bathroom with him saying, "I know you didn't do it! Fuckin' Himmler!"

your family legacy of toilet trysts with adolf
are of limited interest

 

[Billo_Really]

your family legacy of toilet trysts with adolf
are of limited interest

Enough to interest you!

 

[irosie91]

Enough to interest you!

I did not ask----you introduced your perverted topic

 

[Billo_Really]

I did not ask----you introduced your perverted topic

You responded to my post. That is interest

 

[irosie91]

You responded to my post. That is interest

Interest in all and response to all is a component of the profession I practiced
during my working years

 

[Pellinore]

Nazis were all for CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. Socialists are all for CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. Communists are all about CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. What part of that do you not understand?

That one is easy: Socialists are not all for a central government. Democratic socialist systems, for example, are not.

Once again, the Socialists put people in power, and soon those people of power "FEEL" starvation isnt going to work, so they FORCE people to work at the point of a gun. I have been on this planet a long time, and everytime i see Socialism get rooted in a country, it soon fails and becomes either a Fascist Dictatorship or a Communist regime of poverty and misery.

I have things to do today so I can't keep going on here, but I'm glad you pointed out that your beliefs are based on your personal observation alone. I salute your passion and endurance, but I encourage you to learn more about the bigger picture beyond your own perspective, and from a non-right-wing source. It might piss you off royally at first, but hopefully after reading for a while you might get a fuller and more objective view.

Best of luck, and have a good weekend.

 

[scruffy]

Joe Stalin killed more people than Hitler ever dreamed of.

The farther left they go, the more people they kill.

 

[westwall]

They only used socialists in their party name because it was very popular at the time

They hated the working class , peasants and unions

Their pact with giant corporations and industries was only to benefit the elites of the party

Hitler hated communist and many Jews were also far leftist in Europe and communism members

Fascism is a form of socialism.

 

[surada]

Democrats do talk about race more than Hitler ever did.

Are you a Democrat now?

 

[surada]

Fascism is a form of socialism.

Mussolini broke with Italian socialists in 1919. Fascism was embraced by hard right Italian conservatives.