Nazis were Fascist not socialists

[Quasar44]

Fascism is Italian ... private enterprise fulfilling the functions of government ... because Italian government at the time was fucked up in the extreme ...

Bolsheviks were taking over Bavaria ... and Weimar Republic did nothing ... only the Nazis were fighting the Communists ... so Nazis got elected ... simple ...

Nazis were business friendly as long as the business was owned by Germans ... they killed the Poles in Poland and moved Germans onto the land ... the opposite of Democrats ...

The President H was boxed in my communist and Nazis and sided with the later as the huge SA was scary

 

[ReinyDays]

Dems are wiping out whites for Central Americans

Government owned business ... Communism ... you want all-whitie owned business ... Nazism ... simple ...

 

[boevans]

Dems are wiping out whites for Central Americans

What a stupid thing to say, Quasar44.

 

[Quasar44]

What a stupid thing to say, Quasar44.

Dying from fentanyl and drugs and you are being replaced

 

[boevans]

Dying from fentanyl and drugs and you are being replaced

I am sorry that you are so ill.

 

[whitehall]

Today's democrat party can go either way. During Covid it was fascist and afterwords they went back to being socialists with a dab of communism.

 

[mikegriffith1]

They only used socialists in their party name because it was very popular at the time

They hated the working class , peasants and unions

Their pact with giant corporations and industries was only to benefit the elites of the party

Hitler hated communist and many Jews were also far leftist in Europe and communism members

Guffaw. The Nazis believed in total government control of the economy. They believed the government had the right to seize or run any business. They believed the government had the right to tell businesses whom they could and could not hire. They imposed a wide range of wage and price controls. Sound familiar?

For all of their many faults, the Nazis most certainly did not "hate the working class." The Nazis hated lots of groups, but they did not hate the working class. They even set up a program to pay for working-class families to take vacations. One of the reasons, if not the main reason, that Hitler enjoyed such enormous popularity during his first several years in power, before 1939, is that he greatly raised the standard of living for the average German (plus, he had not yet revealed what a despicable monster he was).

 

[Blaster]

Joe Stalin killed more people than Hitler ever dreamed of.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Guffaw. The Nazis believed in total government control of the economy. They believed the government had the right to seize or run any business. They believed the government had the right to tell businesses whom they could and could not hire. They imposed a wide range of wage and price controls. Sound familiar?

For all of their many faults, the Nazis most certainly did not "hate the working class." The Nazis hated lots of groups, but they did not hate the working class. They even set up a program to pay for working-class families to take vacations. One of the reasons, if not the main reason, that Hitler enjoyed such enormous popularity during his first several years in power, before 1939, is that he greatly raised the standard of living for the average German (plus, he had not yet revealed what a despicable monster he was).

Well, when the Weimar Republic collapsed, the life in Germany sucked worse that what is going on in America today.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Joe Stalin killed more people than Hitler ever dreamed of.

Chairman Mou tripled the deaths that Stalin did.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Guffaw. The Nazis believed in total government control of the economy. They believed the government had the right to seize or run any business. They believed the government had the right to tell businesses whom they could and could not hire. They imposed a wide range of wage and price controls. Sound familiar?

For all of their many faults, the Nazis most certainly did not "hate the working class." The Nazis hated lots of groups, but they did not hate the working class. They even set up a program to pay for working-class families to take vacations. One of the reasons, if not the main reason, that Hitler enjoyed such enormous popularity during his first several years in power, before 1939, is that he greatly raised the standard of living for the average German (plus, he had not yet revealed what a despicable monster he was).

I should add that after Hitler and the Nazis consolidated their power, they centralized all education in Germany, shut down or took over all private schools, began dictating what churches could and could not teach, and began firing conservative priests. They also began to discourage the observance of Christmas in the military.

Gee, which party in America does this sound like? Gosh, which party in America has tried to prosecute pastors and priests for "hate speech" for teaching what the Bible says about marriage, homosexuality, and the family? Which party in America has used lawfare to try to shut down private Christian colleges with lawsuits over their refusal to allow same-sex couples to live in campus housing, etc., etc.? Which party in America has become increasingly hostile toward celebrating Christmas and has, in some states, prohibited public schools from even displaying or saying the word "Christmas" on school property?

 

[Ringo]

 

[Deadstick]

The left is a million times worse

Really, did they gas millions of Jews?

 

[Deadstick]

Indeed making sadism great again, they were animals.

 

[Mac-7]

They only used socialists in their party name because it was very popular at the time

They hated the working class , peasants and unions

Their pact with giant corporations and industries was only to benefit the elites of the party

Hitler hated communist and many Jews were also far leftist in Europe and communism members

Fascism and marxism, aka socialism, are just two sides of the same centralized big government coin

Its rule by the elites for the greater glory of their cause and to hell with the people

 

[Litwin]

They only used socialists in their party name because it was very popular at the time

German National - Socialists ("Nazis") have delivered much more the German working class /peasants , than any commie govermnet of any socialist state (from ussr to NK or

People's Socialist Republic of Albania )​

 

[Deadstick]

German National - Socialists ("Nazis") have delivered much more the German working class /peasants , than any commie govermnet of any socialist state (from ussr to NK or

People's Socialist Republic of Albania )​

Shut up you NAZI arsehole.

 

[Litwin]

Shut up you NAZI arsehole.

shut UP you MUSLIMS´ he- WHORE !

 

[Pellinore]

They only used socialists in their party name because it was very popular at the time

They hated the working class , peasants and unions

Their pact with giant corporations and industries was only to benefit the elites of the party

Hitler hated communist and many Jews were also far leftist in Europe and communism members

Hey there. I'm an American historian and former history and US Government teacher with an MA in American history. This is my field.

You are correct. Socialism is all about the promise of equality for everyone, and the guarantee that every person, no matter who they are or what they do, deserves equal benefits of society. (Think about it: every socialist you've ever heard of has at least made this promise.) Obviously, promising this to the masses of poor people at the "bottom" of society can make someone very popular, very quickly.

Mussolini started the Fascist party (capital 'F') with the idea that the Italian people were betrayed and demanded more from society; in other words, nationalism. The last thing nationalism wants is equality; they want to set themselves higher. The term 'national socialist' popped up for basically marketing and branding reasons, selling the idea that everyone in our nation deserves equal benefits, but not all of those others.

Hitler adopted fascism (small 'f', the general concept named for the party) to German culture and called his party the 'National Socialists,' for which the abbreviation of the German term is 'Nazi,' and there they are. They hated the Communists and their lack of social hierarchy, push of labor unions, and insistence that the Nazis shouldn't own everything because no one should own everything. Hitler and pals couldn't wait to blame the Reichstag Fire on a Communist agitator, for example, executing the guy and then using the "attack" as an excuse to seize total power, which he never gave up.

Communism (which is based on socialism) and Fascism (including Nazis) are both authoritarian, which makes them both the opponents of democracy but they also are directly opposed to each other. If it helps to think of them in pop culture terms, you can think of them as Klingons and Romulans.

But yes. You are correct.

 

[Pellinore]

Q here is a little history lesson for you.

The Road to Serfdom - Wikipedia

I figured Hayek would show up here eventually.

Hayek was a dedicated anti-socialist, and in an effort to equate the Communists with the world's most hated villains (the Nazis) he proposed redefining the traditional political terminology that had been in place since Napoleon. Instead of defining left and right "wings" between equality and hierarchy, he attempted to convince people that since the Communists were lefties and the Communists were anti-democratic authoritarians, the left was the refuge of anti-democratic authoritarians. The right, he said, was for democracy and freedom and so on.

Hayek was primarily an economist, not a political theorist. His ideas were read and applauded for the perspective, but the overall concept wasn't adopted by the political community. Since political science is a science, its terms are determined by usage within the community and, especially these days, Hayek's ideas of left and right are generally not followed except by a relatively small group of people who really, really want to paint the left wing as universally evil.

So yeah, Hayek had some good ideas but his theories are not the rulebook, by any stretch.