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You are wrong, Jefferson understood that abortion terminated a pregnancy as the observation he made with respect to native Americans was written in his journal.
NFBW: You do realize the TRUMP LOONEY TOON MAGAgelicals and rightwing Papists will call you a baby killer when you say it’s up to the pregnant woman to terminate her “person in the womb” l
it's about the humanity of the unborn.
What is the jeffeson mentalityFor the Jeffersonian mentality, despite all good intentions, leads inexorably to moral nihilism and the abortionist Supreme Court of the 1970'
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So Indians helped exterminate themselves via abortion?NFBW: OK BookReader, what book backs up your statement of fact that Jefferson or any of the Founding fathers never fathomed abortion.
You are wrong, Jefferson understood that abortion terminated a pregnancy as the observation he made with respect to native Americans was written in his journal.
They raise fewer children than we do. The woman causes of this are to be found, not in a difference of nature, but of circumstance. The women very frequently attending the men in their parties of war and of hunting, child-bearing becomes extremely inconvenient to them.It is said, therefore, that they have learnt the practice of procuring abortion by the use of some vegetable; and that it even extends to prevent conception for a considerable time after. During these parties they are exposed to numerous hazards, to excessive exertions, to the greatest extremities of hunger. Even at their homes the nation depends for food, through a certain part of every year, on the gleanings of the forest: that is, they experience a famine once in every year. With all animals, if the female be badly fed, or not fed at all, her young perish: and if both male and female be reduced to like want, generation becomes less active, less productive. To the obstacles then of want and hazard, which nature has opposed to the multiplication of wild animals, for the purpose of restraining their numbers within certain bounds, those of labour and of voluntary abortion are added with the Indian. No wonder then if they multiply less than we do. Where food is regularly supplied, a single farm will shew more of cattle, than a whole country of forests can of buffaloes. The same Indian women, when married to white traders, who feed them and their children plentifully and regularly, who exempt them from excessive drudgery, who keep them stationary and unexposed to accident, produce and raise as many children as the white women. Instances are known, under these circumstances, of their rearing a dozen children. An inhuman practice once prevailed in this country of making slaves of the -187- Indians. It is a fact well known with us, that the Indian women so enslaved produced and raised as numerous families as either the whites or blacks among whom they lived. --END2210050558
Are there any ethical situations when it is OK to terminate human life?NFBW: As a confessed Trump voter, are there any situations where killing human beings is permissible in some ethical contexts. END2210051202
Well that is a conversation the nation has to haveNFBW: At what stage does ‘humanity of the unborn’ become a person who has a right to public acknowledged life equal to or more so than it’s mother? Where in the Constitution does the one celled zygote human being assign such a right? END2210050710
Lost in all of this is why you believe that I have to pay for any abortion or baby. Progs have reduced the wealth of people who play by the rules by a good percentage. And we are being good natured by it. We keep waiting for personal responsibility to take hold. But you ridicule that and go with the Jesus and Christian bloviating.NFBW: You do realize the TRUMP LOONEY TOON MAGAgelicals and rightwing Papists will call you a baby killer when you say it’s up to the pregnant woman to terminate her “person in the womb” before 15 weeks after conception. Why do you believe that life begins at 15 weeks instead of a conception. ?ding says it’s DNA evidence
ding220728-#3,983 “After fertilization a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence. This is no longer conjecture. It is based upon empirical evidence. DNA.”
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Leftists are dedicated to taking away all responsibility for their own actions as well as those of society. There is no good, there is no evil, etc.Lost in all of this is why you believe that I have to pay for any abortion or baby. Progs have reduced the wealth of people who play by the rules by a good percentage. And we are being good natured by it. We keep waiting for personal responsibility to take hold. But you ridicule that and go with the Jesus and Christian bloviating.
NFBW: Why was it a conversation the nation had to have when it was mightily pushed only by a specific easily attributed actual religious/political minority nationwide. There was no organization of scientists or medical professionals linked up with a political party that demanded we have a conversation on this. Roe v. Wade was a compromise on that very gray area ethical issue. It was settled on abortion on demand until the fetus reached a stage of viability to live outside the womb of its mother. That is grounded ion the principal of the way the law was written on the matter of “quickening” when the Constitution was written.Well that is a conversation the nation has to have
In the decision Roe vs. Wade the justices admitted that such decisions were beyond their scope of expertise. So the proper thing to do was consult those experts. Instead, they just shrugged their shoulders and hid behind the privacy of women. It would be akin to treating slaves the same way. Are they human beings with equality, or should we defer to the privacy of the slave owner instead?NFBW: Why was it a conversation the nation had to have when it was mightily pushed only by a specific easily attributed actual religious/political minority nationwide. There was no organization of scientists or medical professionals linked up with a political party that demanded we have a conversation on this. Roe v. Wade was a compromise on that very gray area ethical issue. It was settled on abortion on demand until the fetus reached a stage of viability to live outside the womb of its mother. That is grounded ion the principal of the way the law was written on the matter of “quickening” when the Constitution was written.
I see a Christian religion motivated Political Crusade to coerce women to surrender their natural human right to privacy during pregnancy until such time that the fetus has reached a stage of viability,. There was no need of a conversation about settled law and precedent.
NFBW: do you have any police records of any Jan6 protester being arrested for protesting outside of the Capitol or did you just make that up.That is unless they protest on January 6th, then all of a sudden you need police and jails.
Is it anything less, than killing a baby?
NFBW: Were there plantations in the parts of the south that became the Confederacy that were worked by 28 week old fetus’ or did the Plantation owner own only viable human beings include pregnant slave women who were expected to give birth to a new crop of slaves? END2210051305should we defer to the privacy of the slave owner instead?
You don't follow the news much, do you?NFBW: do you have any police records of any Jan6 protester being arrested for protesting outside of the Capitol or did you just make that up.
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The issue is natural rights. Back then slaves were looked upon as glorified animals, not human beings who have natural rights given to them by God.NFBW: Were there plantations in the parts of the south that became the Confederacy that were worked by 28 week old fetus’ or did the Plantation owner own only viable human beings include pregnant slave women who were expected to give birth to a new crop of slaves? END2210051305
NFBW: Actually the issue of which we speak at the moment is purely biological. Were the slaves viable human beings? Did the slaves born on American soil after 1790 have a recorded date of birth in most cases. I answer those two questions in the affirmative. What say you? END2210051329The issue is natural rights. Back then slaves were looked upon as glorified animals, not human beings who have natural rights given to them by God.
NFBW: look at your reply. Do you not know the difference between rioting , beating cops, breaking and entering into a joint session of Congress amongst a mob chanting “hang Mike PENCE” versus peaceful protest.Federal prosecutors have charged more than 850 people in 48 states with participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol,
NFBW: Any women who is unwilling to take the risk of harm to herself that could come from going through a full term pregnancy, and who legally chooses to terminate a pregnancy prior to viability in the privacy of her home family and doctor; are not dictators or dictating any action be taken outside of her own body.Atheistic dictators don't recognize natural rights because they don't believe in a higher power
tl;drNFBW: Premise: The religious belief’s of the founding fathers are tied to the politics of abortion the past 50 years / you will have to read the CATHOLIC condemnation of Jefferson and his cult of secular religion if you are interested in finding out why - and more.
ELEKTRA220503-#63 “Abortion is murder if there is a heartbeat”
Must we thank (1) Jefferson’s God, or (2) Trump’s God or (3) no God or (4) just the founders themselves for the creation of exceptional America - The greatest nation in history
NFBW: My choice is (4) because they made (1) thru (3) possible which is what makes America exceptional above all other nations in history.
elektra by default picks (2) based on the fact that the God of Jesus is Trump’s pick not TJ’s
ELEKTRA160524-#2 “One must thank God, we are Americans”
ELEKTRA140501-#129 “Why does Thomas Jefferson, state, "So much for your quotation of Calvin's `mon dieu! jusqu'a quand' in which, when addressed to the God of Jesus, and our God, I join you cordially, and await his time and will with more readiness than reluctance."
NFBW: Those who read books about Jefferson’s religion would know that Jefferson was revolted by any man made thought that falsely converted Jesus into a God. The following portrait based on his writing is a great link into the great rational and enlightenment libersl mind of Jefferson
Catholic view / The Relevance of Thomas Jefferson by Donald J. D'Elia Christendom College Press, Fall 1977In the analysis of Thomas Jefferson, which follows, Dr. D 'Elia lays the groundwork for a truly Catholic perception of American history in general, in addition to unveiling an accurate portrait of the man.Among the Founding Fathers of the American nation there appears to be none more deserving of the title of "modern man" than the Virginian, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and third President of the United States. His tall, god-like figure looms over the American past, his name continues to be celebrated in endless books and after-dinner speeches, and his democratic authority must be invoked by every aspiring statesman and grasping politician. Indeed, Jefferson's attraction for modern man has led to the development of a veritable cult whose shrine on the banks of the Potomac draws worshippers from all over the world.Often it has happened in history and in life itself that a good but naive man's principles have been mercilessly exposed by time to reveal logical implications, which he would have condemned in his own lifetime. Such was notably the case with Thomas Jefferson who, bereft of the Church's wisdom and maternal protection, fell victim to false principles long ago unmasked by Revelation and true philosophy. These false principles, known collectively as liberalism, were made by Jefferson into a kind of religion, as we shall see; and in using the prestige of the presidency to advance this secular religion, Jefferson unwittingly proved himself to be the first of a long line of abusers of the highest office of the land. For the Jeffersonian mentality, despite all good intentions, leads inexorably to moral nihilism and the abortionist Supreme Court of the 1970'END2210050259
