Muscovite -Ukraine war latest news: at least 50 people killed in rocket attack at Kramatorsk

[CrusaderFrank]

The more Russia attacks civilians and children, the more modern and deadlier weapons countries send to Ukraine. Russia retreated from the Kyiv area. The battles now will be the east and south of Ukraine.


If Putin thinks he can win a war of attrition he's dumber than we thought.

He thought he'd be in Kiev in 2 days!!! ZOMG

 

[BlackSand]

I hope we will keep our forum clean from them ... what we need to do its send to Ukraine the offensive weapons NOW!!

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Well ... It looks like you folks in Sweden Township need to get off your asses and send the Ukrainians more offensive weapons then.
Might want to add some cigars, food and coffee to the care packages ... They might be needing some of that too soon.

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[Rigby5]

The Ukraine bots are claiming:
{... How it works with events like Kramatorsk.
1. It never happened.
2. They were all Nazis so deserved what didn't happen
3. NATO/Soros/Ukraine staged it
4. What didn't happen to all the Nazis who deserved it/actors who staged it was a biolab.
5. What about Iraq ...}

But:
1. Since Russia does not have Trochka missiles anymore, it did NOT happen that Russia fired them.
2. If the Ukraine had not armed, trained, and protected those responsible for massacres of ethinic Russians, nothing would have ever happened.
3. The US not only gave the weapons to the Ukraine to make this happen, but clearly paid Zelensky and others to make it happen. The Trochka missile likely came from the US supplies captured in Iraq.
4. Clearly the US is USING the Ukraine, in order to try to harm Russia.
5. If the media had shown the 1 million innocent Iraqis we deliberately targeted with "Shock and Awe", what do you think the images would have looked like? These Ukraine images are incredibly tame in comparison. Imagine what Iraq must have been like, in a hot desert climate, we cut off all water, electricity, and food.

 

[Donald H]

Yes they do.
The Ukraine has arming and training illegal, racist, terrorists to murder ethnic Russians for decades, so now is legally responsible for their terrorist attacks.
The Ukraine has deliberately committed many acts of war, like stealing oil, terrorist attacks, violating treaties, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, etc., so there is no longer anything that Russia could not be justified in doing, short of rape.
The Polish, Mongol, and Cossack civilian population of the Ukraine has openly supported war crimes for decades, and now must pay the price.

Yes Rigby, it seems unfair, but there's no doubt that a nation isn't permitted to attack another nation on account of terrorist acts by individuals who are not enemy combatants.

That's not one of the special rules for this particular war, it's a well established law that governs warfare.

Quite obvious really when America didn't attack Saudi Arabia when Saudis took down tall buildings in N.Y.

 

[Rigby5]

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Well ... It looks like you folks in Sweden Township need to get off your asses and send the Ukrainians more offensive weapons then.
Might want to add some cigars, food and coffee to the care packages ... They might be needing some of that too soon.

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That is foolish, because not only is this totally the fault of the Ukraine deliberately starting this war, but additional weapons only make it last longer and result in more dead Ukrainians.
If anyone really cared about the Ukrainians, then they would be sending in negotiators to shorten the fighting, not weapons to make the fighting last longer..

 

[Rigby5]

Yes Rigby, it seems unfair, but there's no doubt that a nation isn't permitted to attack another nation on account of terrorist acts by individuals who are not enemy combatants.

That's not one of the special rules for this particular war, it's a well established law that governs warfare.

Quite obvious really when America didn't attack Saudi Arabia when Saudis took down tall buildings in N.Y.

The Saudis who attacked the WTC on 9/11 were already wanted outlaws according to the Saudi government, so then the Saudi gov was not responsible.
But the Ukraine terrorists who have been murdering ethnic Russians for decades, have the full support, training, and arms from Kyiv, so Kyiv is totally responsible for their actions.
They did not make the weapons themselves.
They got them from the gov in Kyiv, so the gov in Kyiv can not claim they are not responsible.
But if the gov in Kyiv wants to expand the war to civilian infrastructure, that does not matter to me.
It is the Ukraine who has much more to lose by doing that.
Oil is only one small part of the food chain, and the entire food chain in the Ukraine can easily be wiped out.
Just the natural result and consequences of "economic sanctions".

 

[Donald H]

The Saudis who attacked the WTC on 9/11 were already wanted outlaws according to the Saudi government, so then the Saudi gov was not responsible.

You've made my case!

But the Ukraine terrorists who have been murdering ethnic Russians for decades, have the full support, training, and arms from Kyiv, so Kyiv is totally responsible for their actions.

That's a stretch to assume Kiev armed terrorists.

They did not make the weapons themselves.
They got them from the gov in Kyiv, so the gov in Kyiv can not claim they are not responsible.

See above.

But if the gov in Kyiv wants to expand the war to civilian infrastructure, that does not matter to me.
It is the Ukraine who has much more to lose by doing that.

The Ukraine's government encouraged civilians to take up arms. The Russian army will be faced with a decision on whether to kill children who are bearing arms. That's not for us to condone or condemn.

Oil is only one small part of the food chain, and the entire food chain in the Ukraine can easily be wiped out.
Just the natural result of "economic sanctions".

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[BlackSand]

That is foolish, because not only is this totally the fault of the Ukraine deliberately starting this war, but additional weapons only make it last longer and result in more dead Ukrainians.
If anyone really cared about the Ukrainians, then they would be sending in negotiators to shorten the fighting, not weapons to make the fighting last longer..

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War is horrible ... Suffering is bad.
No one including the people fighting it are incapable of understanding that.

Negotiating with parties that have chosen to partake in war ...
Goes better once they have taken a serious beating and don't have enough fight left in them to go on.

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[Lesh]

Look at the Russian sock puppets scrambling

That attack on the train station was A HORRIFIC Russian atrocity

 

[Lesh]

1. Since Russia does not have Trochka missiles anymore, it did NOT happen that Russia fired them.

Justin Bronk, a research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London.

Bronk pointed to other occasions when Russian authorities have tried to deflect blame by claiming their forces no longer use an older weapon “to kind of muddy the waters and try and create doubt.” He suggested Russia specifically chose the missile type because Ukraine also has it.

A Western official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence, also said Russia’s forces have used the missile — and that given the strike’s location and impact, it was “likely” Russia’s.

 

[para bellum]

1. Since Russia does not have Trochka missiles anymore, it did NOT happen that Russia fired them.

Russia made that statement in March. But in February, just prior to the invasion, Russian forces fired 2x SS-21's in an exercise in Belarus called "Allied Resolve-2022".

Масштабы "Союзной решимости". Учения России и Беларуси оказались максимально приближены к боевым

Совместные оперативные учения Вооруженных сил Беларуси и России в самом разгаре. С условным противником военнослужащие двух стран сражаются плечом к плечу. Причем отрабатывают самые разные варианты развития событий

rg.ru

Here's one that was launched from Belarus and shot down in the early days of the war.

There was a report from Belarus on March 31 that "a column of Russian military vehicles with “V” marks, which was moving from Rechitsa towards Gomel along the M10 highway. “There were at least 8 Tochka-U, several BTR-82a, about 9 KamAZ trucks, some of which are carrying Tochka-U missiles, communication vehicle and a crane,”

Also Human Rights Watch said one was used by Russia in an attack on a hospital.

"Based on the photograph, Human Rights Watch identified the remnant of the weapon as the nose cone and radar altimeter antenna of a 9N123 cluster munition warhead delivered by a 9M79-series Tochka ballistic missile. The cluster munition warhead contains 50 9N24 fragmentation submunitions. According to the Russian manufacturer, each submunition contains 1.45 kilograms of explosives and shatters into approximately 316 uniform-sized fragments.

Human Rights Watch documented the use of the same type of cluster munition in an attack by Russian and Syrian forces on Sarmin, Idlib governorate, in January 2020."

3. The US not only gave the weapons to the Ukraine to make this happen, but clearly paid Zelensky and others to make it happen. The Trochka missile likely came from the US supplies captured in Iraq.

Ukraine is already an operator, there is no need to give them anything. It's also the most likely candidate for the missile that sunk the Russian LST at Berdyansk.

 

[Lesh]

Oh look...the sock puppets (and the kremlin) are lying.

They HAVE been using the Tochka missiles

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine

ivan who cares what ivans like you think or feel, be ready for the Hague train ivan

 

[Litwin]

Ukrainians more offensive weapons then.

we do

 

[Litwin]

Russia

SUCKS BIG TIME

IVAN, YOUR BAMBOO ULUS ID DONE

 

[Litwin]

Oh look...the sock puppets (and the kremlin) are lying.

They HAVE been using the Tochka missiles

 

[Litwin]

 

[Litwin]

 

[Litwin]

Yes

YOU hordemen must be trying to win a world wide unpopularity contest. do you know that the world hate you , mongols ? such scum race of the Asiatic barbarians

 

[BlackSand]

we do

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Great ... Then no need to pander for anything here.

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