Is this winning?Western leaders can no longer hide the truth about Ukraine

[BothWings]

That's basically true; however, you shouldn't forget how Trump sent "offensive" weapons to Ukraine that Obama was unwilling to provide. Eternal war is a bipartisan effort in the US.

Being generally new to the inside politics of DC, Trump was probably wheedled by the CIA or other entities in our government to do that, according to their already existent foreign war agenda. I doubt he did it without someone persuading him to do so. The CIA usually starts quietly giving most new presidents the "treatment" if they aren't already in on the game, to see how far they will cooperate with the Shadow State, and to see how they can attach strings to them to make them dance the dance.

People like Obama, the Bushs and the Clintons are already in on it. They ALL have endorsed the New World Order and are in on it together. When Trump began to show that he had a mind of his own, and promoted domestic security over their foreign wars, that was when they launched their media coup against them.

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's basically true; however, you shouldn't forget how Trump sent "offensive" weapons to Ukraine that Obama was unwilling to provide. Eternal war is a bipartisan effort in the US.

With you it's always another post, another lie. Trump did not send offensive weapons to Ukraine and neither has Biden. Such a stupid lie, too, since the US has consistently refused to send weapons that could hit targets in Russia.

 

[georgephillip]

With you it's always another post, another lie. Trump did not send offensive weapons to Ukraine and neither has Biden. Such a stupid lie, too, since the US has consistently refused to send weapons that could hit targets in Russia.

Why don't you distinguish between "lethal" and "offensive" weapons?

US officials say lethal weapons headed to Ukraine

"Ukraine will soon have more lethal American-made weapons to help it fight Russian-backed separatists.

"U.S. officials said Friday that the Trump administration approved a plan to provide lethal weapons to Ukraine, in a long-awaited move that deepens America’s involvement in the military conflict and may further strain relations with Russia."

 

[georgephillip]

People like Obama, the Bushs and the Clintons are already in on it. They ALL have endorsed the New World Order and are in on it together. When Trump began to show that he had a mind of his own, and promoted domestic security over their foreign wars, that was when they launched their media coup against them.

There's no doubt which side of the class war the Clintons, Bushes, and Obama picked, but I see Trump as the classic crony-capitalist who became much richer because of the actions of corrupt politicians.

There's also the indisputable fact that Trump's a pathological liar with a room temperature IQ:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/transformation/dangerous-psychology-donald-trump/

 

[Litwin]

According

According Girkin you lost this war already, do you agree with pootler or girkin ?

 

[Litwin]

It actually quite accurately represents the social reality in the horde

 

[toomuchtime_]

Why don't you distinguish between "lethal" and "offensive" weapons?

US officials say lethal weapons headed to Ukraine

"Ukraine will soon have more lethal American-made weapons to help it fight Russian-backed separatists.

"U.S. officials said Friday that the Trump administration approved a plan to provide lethal weapons to Ukraine, in a long-awaited move that deepens America’s involvement in the military conflict and may further strain relations with Russia."

You tell these lies because you understand the truth does not support your arguments. Weapons that do not allow Ukraine to attack another country cannot be called offensive.

 

[mamooth]

Whenever Russia starts losing big again, Putin tells his lackeys to start a propaganda blitz. So, seeing this thread cheers the hearts of anti-fascists. It could do with less antisemitism, but if you're dealing with Putinsuckers, you're dealing with antisemites.

Ukraine holds in the middle by Bakhmut. Russians are dying by the thousands there, throwing themselves fruitlessly against Ukrainian defenses. Occasionally Ukraine retreats a bit, to lure some more Russians into the artillery killing zone, then Ukraine takes the territory back.

Then the Ukrainian A-team attacks elsewhere. Right now, Ukraine is advancing towards Svatove. If that falls, the whole Russian position in the north becomes untenable. It's still mud season now, which limits advances, but that will change soon.

 

[Ringo]

 

[luiza]

rt.RU TOLD IT TO YOU SRALIN ?

I see you still post in Russian even though they slung you out .

 

[luiza]

Whenever Russia starts losing big again et ,etc

I have sneaking regard for anybody who deliberately writes absolute rubbish with a "straight face" on the assumption that those who have no idea what is happening will believe your nonsense .

I have a feeling that you actually read the field reports but to keep face you simply swap the two positions, thought for thought and word for word .
Rather amateurish but good enough for here you doubtless say.

The alternative is that you believe what you scribble and that there are sources for such garbage .

No point discussing matters with you as, Time will reveal all .

 

[Litwin]

see

you see only your muslims´ dicks , natasha

 

[Litwin]

slave , watch this :

 

[Ringo]

CIA documents reveal fascist Ukrainian icon Stepan Bandera was a German spy - and a CIA accomplice -- Sott.net

The electronic library of the Central Intelligence Agency published a four-page document dated 1951, stating that the icon of Ukrainian nationalism, Stepan Bandera, was a German spy. The documents appeared in their online form 10 years ago, but...

www.sott.net

 

[luiza]

you see only your muslims´ dicks , natasha

You have never got over being kicked out for being a nuisance .

It has screwed your body and mind into aching knots .

You reap what you sow .

 

[luiza]

CIA documents reveal fascist Ukrainian icon Stepan Bandera was a German spy - and a CIA accomplice -- Sott.net

The electronic library of the Central Intelligence Agency published a four-page document dated 1951, stating that the icon of Ukrainian nationalism, Stepan Bandera, was a German spy. The documents appeared in their online form 10 years ago, but...

www.sott.net

He was a fascinating piece of scum who was eventually taken out by the KGB .
A full blown Nazi follower , though Ukey born , and post - war was intimately tied to the CIA and MI6.

He is a folk hero to the Kyiv Nazi government , someone most notable for his killing of polish people plus Jews and being a slavish lover of Nazi Germany .

And it was , of course , the Nazis who essentially slaughtered 30 million Russians .
Which is in great part why Russians are "not too keen " on Nazis and why it is a SMO rather than your" typical invasion" .

 

[Litwin]

You

natasha , bad news ...

putin Oil & Gas Disaster as Sanctions Destroy Demand & Production is CUT & Ruble Also Crashes

down down down back to 1917 :thup:

www.usmessageboard.com

how it feels ?

 

[Litwin]

CIA documents reveal fascist Ukrainian icon Stepan Bandera was a German spy - and a CIA accomplice -- Sott.net

The electronic library of the Central Intelligence Agency published a four-page document dated 1951, stating that the icon of Ukrainian nationalism, Stepan Bandera, was a German spy. The documents appeared in their online form 10 years ago, but...

www.sott.net

the links from Armenian w h o r e ass , as usual . ivan you are such a Papuan

 

[JoeB131]

I say disband NATO & let Ukraine & Russia make a peace they can both live with.
This is a family squabble between cousins with a long standing beef.

NWO has other plans though & peace isn't part of it.
Famine, energy scarcity & neo-fascism/feudalism can't be sold to the sheep without mass chaos first

Translation- Trump's buddy Putin stepped in it, and you guys are desperate.

The problem here is that a peace that the Ukraine can live with will be nothing less than a return to the 2014 borders.

 

[Litwin]

EDIT FOR YOU: According to western narrative Putin will l continue the war until the last Russian die.

YOUR horde can´t fight much longer due the fact that you represent here NIGERIA WITH SNOW